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I'm a new vapor of just under two months. I have noticed that my nic fits aren't the same as they were with analogs. I still have a tightness in my chest or a taste in my mouth but the urgency and anxiety just aren't there anymore. It got me thinking. I've always heard this urban legend that tobacco companies add a chemical that increases the addictive nature of tobacco. I never really believe this was true, but now i'm starting to believe this rumor. So i was wondering if anyone else has noticed this difference in the nicotine cravings, or other differences?

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My husband is a truck driver. He told me earlier that he has delivered several hazmat loads to tobacco plants. My jaw hit the floor. Why hadn't he told me this earlier!?! Oh well. After the first day of vaping is was DONE with analogs!! But the way my cravings have changed was something I hadn't seem or heard of anyone mentioning. I wondered if it was just me...
 

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I'm a new vapor of just under two months. I have noticed that my nic fits aren't the same as they were with analogs. I still have a tightness in my chest or a taste in my mouth but the urgency and anxiety just aren't there anymore. It got me thinking. I've always heard this urban legend that tobacco companies add a chemical that increases the addictive nature of tobacco. I never really believe this was true, but now i'm starting to believe this rumor. So i was wondering if anyone else has noticed this difference in the nicotine cravings, or other differences?

Loving Vaping!!!
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Hi, welcome to ECF and congrats on 2 months :thumbs:

After a few months of vaping I found the same- nic fits weren't "drive me up a wall' as when I was smoking. They add alkaloids to the tobacco- thousands of chems in tobacco- formaldehyde, carpet glue....
Scientists did a study with rats. They "addicted" them to nicotine. Next placed a bowl of nicotine in the cage- rats wouldn't self medicate. Next they got them addicted to alkaloids+ nicotine. When the bowl of nicotine+ alkaloids was placed in the cage the rats made a beeline to the bowl and immediately began self medicating. My GP believes nicotine to be no more harmful than caffeine.

CDC - 2010 Surgeon General's Report - Chemicals in Tobacco Smoke - Smoking & Tobacco Use

Cigarette Ingredients - Chemicals in Cigarettes
 

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WOW!!! That is shocking. They should be ashamed of themselves. Seriously!!!! By now I should be shocked by what lengths some business will go to to make a buck...yet I truly am.

My question is I can understand tobacco being processed but would like to know on who's authority did the T companies receive approval to add all this extra toxic garbage. Whoever it was personally they should be ashamed of themselves for performing such a deadly disservice to their fellow man/ woman/ human being.
 
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My question is I can understand tobacco being processed but would like to know on who's authority did the T companies receive approval to add all this extra toxic garbage. Whoever it was personally they should be ashamed of themselves for such a performing such a deadly disservice to their fellow man/ woman/ human being.

That's a much more complicated issue than you might think, and certainly more complicated than some of the anti-smoking extremists would have us think. One thing to keep in mind when you're looking at a list of "ingredients" like that (to be fair), is that the VAST majority of them are naturally occurring chemicals in the tobacco or byproducts of burning the tobacco, and not additives. Frankly, if a person were to take the time to lay out the full chemical composition of a cheeseburger (not just the ingredients) it would probably "look" just as terrifying.

Of the ones that are additives, most of them are not particularly dangerous. Most of the danger comes from inhaling smoke, and all of the horrible unstable compounds created by burning tobacco. That said, MANY of them are additives, and many of those are quite dangerous.

As for the authority, you have to remember that cigarettes pre-date the FDA by a long time, and even when the FDA was formed, it was primarily concerned with food safety. In terms of the big picture, regulation of cigarettes is a comparatively new thing. What's worse, is that some of the chemical additives are actually mandated by the FDA. For instance, all cigarettes must be made with paper that has been treated with fire ......ant chemicals because some genius thought that the fire danger of cigarettes was important enough to make smokers inhale the stuff. That, in turn, forced tobacco companies to add more chemicals to the paper and to the tobacco to at least partially counteract the fire ......ants so a person could smoke a cigarette at a 'normal' pace without it going out.

While cigarettes have always been bad for the smoker, it's not unreasonable to conclude that the FDA has actually made them worse. Before heavy-handed regulation set in, making a profit from tobacco was as easy as making a profit running a casino. As regulations and taxes cut into profit margins, tobacco companies were forced to find more and more ways to not only make their products cheaper and to circumvent harmful regulations (like the fire ......ants), but also to keep their customers buying as prices went up.
 

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Welcome, Grace. :)

On the nic fits, mine are just like that. No big, really. I slowly transitioned from smoking to vaping, so with this quit I felt pretty much no withdrawal at all. Nice.

On additives in tobacco, I've read that Phillip Morris started adding ammonia to the tobacco to make it more addictive and the other big T companies followed suit out of business competition. The added ammonia is said to basically make it like free-basing nicotine. I'm not sure if any part of this is true; it's just what I've read in a few places online. Anyone know if any of this is true?
 

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You should read the documentation on why chemicals are in cigarettes, almost all of them are to keep your body from rejecting inhaled smoke or to enhance other chemicals.

I rarely even get urges to vape I just enjoy my nicotine too much to quit. The worst withdrawal urge I've had since I started vaping came from quitting energy drinks.

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I'm a new vapor of just under two months. I have noticed that my nic fits aren't the same as they were with analogs. I still have a tightness in my chest or a taste in my mouth but the urgency and anxiety just aren't there anymore. It got me thinking. I've always heard this urban legend that tobacco companies add a chemical that increases the addictive nature of tobacco. I never really believe this was true, but now i'm starting to believe this rumor. So i was wondering if anyone else has noticed this difference in the nicotine cravings, or other differences?

Loving Vaping!!!
Grace
from 36 mg to 16 MG in 1 month. nicotine isn't the big train wreck we were all taught it is. the big issue has always been the tobacco addiction. this is why vaping is successful for so many people. with the tobacco addiction gone, it gives us the will to deal with the nicotine. 1 addiction at a time. instead of cold turkey where you are dealing all three at once. i am also more aware during stressful times. i am constantly reminding myself that a cig is not the solution to the problem at hand. it is empowering to remind myself that for the first time in 41 years i honestly don't want a cig. :toast:
 

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I think it also has to do with the way the nicotine is delivered. With smoking, the nicotine is absorbed through the lungs and gets to the brain within a few seconds. This causes a lot of bio-chemical spikes in your body that you begin to crave as an association to the nicotine delivery. With vaping, most of the nicotine is absorbed through mucous membranes, and takes longer to get to your brain. As you dissociate the nicotine fix from strong reactions in your body, the cravings can likewise get tempered. This is my guess, anyway.
 

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I went from two packs a day to about 6 cigarettes a day the first week I started vaping. I could have dropped those 6 shortly after, but I thought I needed to reward myself after a meal to prevent the cravings from starting.

I did that for another two years before deciding to try quitting completely. I found out that I could have quit them pretty much any time. There were no withdrawal symptoms as long as I vaped. It's been a year now since I quit the last 6 a day. I haven't touched one since and my wife can smoke around me without causing any desire in me to have a smoke. It's uncanny how a 40 year addiction can go away if you still have access to nic at a lower level.
 

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I doubt it's some nefarious conspiracy (and that's not an educated guess, just my opinion.) It would be nice for BT if they could just put little sprinkles of more addicting stuff in cigs to really lock-in that customer base, but honestly I think it's something that's naturally present in the tobacco itself that increases the addictiveness of smoking as opposed to vaping nicotine. With the regulations in place, it's hard enough for them to so much as re-brand a particular cig or change the little bit of ink used on the filter! Don't get me wrong, all sorts of nasty stuff is added to analogs, but generally not for the explicit purpose of increasing addiction.

It just seems more realistic to me that it's something that's already there. I don't know of too many plants out there containing just ONE psychoactive compound. Where there is one predominant one, there tend to be outliers with different properties to them. By this logic, I can only assume that nicotine isn't the only thing in tobacco that gets you addicted.

Whatever the case, there's gotta be something else in analogs that makes them so addicting. This first occurred to me when I first started vaping and still craved a cig. No matter how much I vaped, it was always there. And I wasn't longing for the experience. I just wanted to smoke one and get it over with so I could feel better. I can only imagine my body was missing something other than the nicotine, because I had so much of that in me that I was getting headrushes... ...and even then, I still really wanted an analog!

I'd also like to echo the sentiment that vaping is somehow less addictive. I'm not even a month into it and already I find myself going half of my day without even thinking to vape. When I was smoking, I had cravings within minutes of having my last cig. Can't be the nicotine...
 
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Welcome, Grace. :)

On the nic fits, mine are just like that. No big, really. I slowly transitioned from smoking to vaping, so with this quit I felt pretty much no withdrawal at all. Nice.

On additives in tobacco, I've read that Phillip Morris started adding ammonia to the tobacco to make it more addictive and the other big T companies followed suit out of business competition. The added ammonia is said to basically make it like free-basing nicotine. I'm not sure if any part of this is true; it's just what I've read in a few places online. Anyone know if any of this is true?

If you have aver lit up a Marlboro (most common, but have had it with Merit) that tasted like it had been urinated on, it makes it easier to believe
 

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I doubt it's some nefarious conspiracy (and that's not an educated guess, just my opinion.) It would be nice for BT if they could just put little sprinkles of more addicting stuff in cigs to really lock-in that customer base, but honestly I think it's something that's naturally present in the tobacco itself that increases the addictiveness of smoking as opposed to vaping nicotine. With the regulations in place, it's hard enough for them to so much as re-brand a particular cig or change the little bit of ink used on the filter! Don't get me wrong, all sorts of nasty stuff is added to analogs, but generally not for the explicit purpose of increasing addiction.

It just seems more realistic to me that it's something that's already there. I don't know of too many plants out there containing just ONE psychoactive compound. Where there is one predominant one, there tend to be outliers with different properties to them. By this logic, I can only assume that nicotine isn't the only thing in tobacco that gets you addicted.

Whatever the case, there's gotta be something else in analogs that makes them so addicting. This first occurred to me when I first started vaping and still craved a cig. No matter how much I vaped, it was always there. And I wasn't longing for the experience. I just wanted to smoke one and get it over with so I could feel better. I can only imagine my body was missing something other than the nicotine, because I had so much of that in me that I was getting headrushes... ...and even then, I still really wanted an analog!

I'd also like to echo the sentiment that vaping is somehow less addictive. I'm not even a month into it and already I find myself going half of my day without even thinking to vape. When I was smoking, I had cravings within minutes of having my last cig. Can't be the nicotine...

Some people use juices with whole tobacco alkaloids because the nicotine alone is not enough for them.
 

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I smoked for 20 years. I smoked only American Spirits for the last 5 of them, completely chemical free. I enjoy vaping but when I go to work, I still want to smoke an analog. I bum one or two so I can take a break. I smoke them, they taste gross, I hate myself, but I still do it. My point is, I wasn't exposed to those chemical additives, and even bum American Spirits at work, but I still find myself wanting analogs, so I'm not sure it's all an issue of additives. Maybe different addicts brains do different things? Or maybe I just can't break a 17 year habit of having to smoke to have a reason to walk out of the kitchen to take a break?
 
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