Has WTA juice worked for you?

[cigarbabe]

Ok, wait, what?

I don't get why all the anger? I thought it was ok for people to want and need different things, what am I missing?

First of all I'm not angry.
That is your assumption not fact based on any phrase I've used.



You won't find any argument there, and I don't think that's news to anyone. I'm still not getting why you're so annoyed.

I am very annoyed when people don't seem to understand what and how harm reduction methods can be applied to many to many different fields.
I am also now very annoyed that you are presuming to know anything about me based on a single post You must be psychic eh?.

Where was it said that that should be everyone's goal, though? I keep rereading this thread, and I'm not finding that anywhere. I can't figure out why you feel attacked just because others have different goals from your own.


Had you read the entire thread you would know that it was indeed said. I don't care if people want to vape 0 nic it is not my concern and On occasion I have used it myself.
I asked why the perceived need to lower and get off of it as if this was everyone's goal.
Where did I say "you or anyone else was attacking me"?,
Please be so kind as to point that out.


I don't know why you're so angry that other people might not want to be addicted to anything anymore. Do you feel that they are somehow judging you by not choosing to use what you use?

Personally I don't care if people believe they are addicted or not.
No where in this post have I said I felt I was being judged either, what I do object to is using the term "addiction" as if vaping with nicotine is equal or somehow similar to using an illicit narcotic substance. It most certainly is not!
If people want to calls themselves "vaping junkies" or nicotine addicts then by all means do so just do not include me into your generalizing simplistic terms. Not all of us feel that vaping or smoking is something only junkies do though many who stopped by other methods do believe that is exactly what we are and that we indulge in "junkie thinking and e-smoking".
It is very popular to define us as such by the ANTZ and anti-smoking factions.

I've recommended WTA to people who still felt anxious after trying to quit smoking using nic liquids alone, and several have told me that it helped them enormously, so I assume it adds something that helped them. Don't be afraid of the word "chemical". It isn't a bad word. Nicotine is a chemical. Water is a chemical.

That's great good for you!
Regular juices are subtractive which I'm sure you know and less is known about using these.
Again nowhere have I denied that nicotine is a chemical.
I said in more than one post on this topic "contrary to popular belief WTA does not put any added chemicals into your juice IE as cigarettes do.
You seem to be hostile and angry is it something I said?
C.B.

 

[spaceballsrules]

I abstained from voting in the poll, as I have never tried WTA.

I was tempted to try WTAs when I was in the last days of vaping AND smoking. I was having the most trouble with that first cigarette of the day, as I felt I needed that extra kick or "buzz" to get me going. I also noticed that the fewer cigarettes I smoked in a day, the more "buzz" effect each individual cigarette had. I think that if I had tried WTA liquid during that transition period, the whole thing would have been a little less stressful. No worries though, as I got there, one way or another.

If there is something that helps us stay away from the stinkies, then I am all for it. This isn't an easy battle to fight, let alone win, so any advantage one can find, the better off one will be in the end.

 

[Mr.Mann]

This is a results poll, not an opinion poll on the concept of WTA juice.

I second that! Hear hear.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I abstained from voting in the poll, as I have never tried WTA.

I was tempted to try WTAs when I was in the last days of vaping AND smoking. I was having the most trouble with that first cigarette of the day, as I felt I needed that extra kick or "buzz" to get me going. I also noticed that the fewer cigarettes I smoked in a day, the more "buzz" effect each individual cigarette had. I think that if I had tried WTA liquid during that transition period, the whole thing would have been a little less stressful. No worries though, as I got there, one way or another.

If there is something that helps us stay away from the stinkies, then I am all for it. This isn't an easy battle to fight, let alone win, so any advantage one can find, the better off one will be in the end.

What's up, homie? I don't think there is anything wrong with adding your 2 cents, but when others are antagonistic, then it is becomes something else--though it is still within their right.

 

[frankie1]

Vaping is addictive, otherwise we'd all have thrown out our PV's after about three weeks and moved on as non-nicotine users.

Good point. If not addicted to vaping, why bother with the hassle and the expense?

@ Stubby: I followed that thread when Dvap was experimenting with the WTA. I gave up along about that time and went back to regular cigarettes. I just couldn't do the snus even though I ordered Swiss snus. There was definitely something missing with regular e liquid. I was down to 2 cigarettes a day. One in the morning and one just before bed. The morning one made me dizzy to the point I had to wait until the dizziness went away before I would try walking. BUT.....I was still missing something. I started having seizure like episodes and a cigarette would make everything allright. After seeing an internist and a cardiologist and undergoing a LOT of expensive testing....there were no answers. No one could tell me it was not from vaping so I went back to smoking because I still needed nicotine. I gradually got back up to over a pack a day (still down from my previous 2+ pad). However, I still had those episodes. I now believe they were stress related. At that time, even less was known about vaping than is now known. I think I was having panic attacks.

I am trying again. I have an old pv and a little fresh juice that I am using while waiting for a new vv and I just got a bottle of the WTA from Aroma yesterday. I dripped 5 drops on a 901 atty and took a few puffs. I can tell you FOR SURE..there is a difference. It was more satisfying, less irritating to my throat and it was almost like coming home...if you know that feeling. "It" is there....at least partially.

This is just my initial impression. I am still smoking, but I find myself wanting fewer analogs every day. This time I won't push to get nic levels lower....gonna take it slower. I think that was part of my problem the first time. I will use the WTA because I believe it will help. If it doesn't, I will force myself to try the snus again. My problem with snus was just the idea of it I think. But I WANT to quit smoking and I can only hope and pray this works.

I understand the aggravation and defense when someone comes along and denigrates the use of whatever makes this workable. If straight vaping works for some....FANTASTIC! But if others need or WANT to do something else in addition to vaping, that is FANTASTIC as well. After all....we are all research monkeys. No one KNOWS the effect of any of these products....including cigarettes and they have been tested for many years on millions of research monkeys. We still only "know" what the government, big tobacco and big pharmaceuticals WANT us to know. The only thing I KNOW about smoking is that when I vape, I can breathe deeper and clearer and I have more energy than I do when I smoke.

Thanks for allowing me to vent......and keep on vaping!

 

[frankie1]

Oh and I haven't voted yet. If I were to vote right now, it would be a big YES. But time will ferret out the truth and then I can vote with confidence!

 

[DC2]

Oh and I haven't voted yet. If I were to vote right now, it would be a big YES. But time will ferret out the truth and then I can vote with confidence!

Appreciate you making sure before casting your vote.

 

[Stubby]

Good point. If not addicted to vaping, why bother with the hassle and the expense?

@ Stubby: I followed that thread when Dvap was experimenting with the WTA. I gave up along about that time and went back to regular cigarettes. I just couldn't do the snus even though I ordered Swiss snus. There was definitely something missing with regular e liquid. I was down to 2 cigarettes a day. One in the morning and one just before bed. The morning one made me dizzy to the point I had to wait until the dizziness went away before I would try walking. BUT.....I was still missing something. I started having seizure like episodes and a cigarette would make everything allright. After seeing an internist and a cardiologist and undergoing a LOT of expensive testing....there were no answers. No one could tell me it was not from vaping so I went back to smoking because I still needed nicotine. I gradually got back up to over a pack a day (still down from my previous 2+ pad). However, I still had those episodes. I now believe they were stress related. At that time, even less was known about vaping than is now known. I think I was having panic attacks.

I am trying again. I have an old pv and a little fresh juice that I am using while waiting for a new vv and I just got a bottle of the WTA from Aroma yesterday. I dripped 5 drops on a 901 atty and took a few puffs. I can tell you FOR SURE..there is a difference. It was more satisfying, less irritating to my throat and it was almost like coming home...if you know that feeling. "It" is there....at least partially.

This is just my initial impression. I am still smoking, but I find myself wanting fewer analogs every day. This time I won't push to get nic levels lower....gonna take it slower. I think that was part of my problem the first time. I will use the WTA because I believe it will help. If it doesn't, I will force myself to try the snus again. My problem with snus was just the idea of it I think. But I WANT to quit smoking and I can only hope and pray this works.

I understand the aggravation and defense when someone comes along and denigrates the use of whatever makes this workable. If straight vaping works for some....FANTASTIC! But if others need or WANT to do something else in addition to vaping, that is FANTASTIC as well. After all....we are all research monkeys. No one KNOWS the effect of any of these products....including cigarettes and they have been tested for many years on millions of research monkeys. We still only "know" what the government, big tobacco and big pharmaceuticals WANT us to know. The only thing I KNOW about smoking is that when I vape, I can breathe deeper and clearer and I have more energy than I do when I smoke.

Thanks for allowing me to vent......and keep on vaping!

There is no reason to try and cut down on nicotine. That's fool's gold for those of us who are self-medicating with tobacco/nicotine. Just do as much as you need. One thing to note is that for some people (and I'm one of them), doing straight nicotine is not at all relaxing or stress reducing. Straight nicotine is a stimulant and for some it just gets us more wired, with no real feeling of satisfaction. There is just no off switch without the minor alkaloids. With the minor alkaloids it gets relatively easy to regulate how much is needed.

As I said, just try everything out there and you will find something, or combination of products that will work for you. For me it was snus. The first time I did Swedish snus I knew I found something that would work. That was over three years ago and snus is still my bread and butter for tobacco use.

Another product to try besides WTA, which you already are, is nasal snuff. It doesn't get as much news as snus but it can be a very nice supplement to whatever else you are using. Many consider it even safer then snus, though that is likely spitting hairs. I think a lot of vapors would do well with it if they are not quite on the ropes enough to try WTA or snus., but still at times want a little push. It's not as potent of a kick as snus, but for those looking for something on the milder side as far as hit goes, it could work very well. I call it snus for the nose. I use it as a supplement to snus use, and have nearly given up vaping since I got back into it.

Just take it slow and easy and you will find something that works. All this stuff is good and is nearly risk free, so there is no reason not to experiment.

 

[frankie1]

Can you point me in the direction of learning about nasal snuff? I have heard it mentioned before, but never got around to investigating it.

I hope others will realize that pressuring people that are new to harm reduction therapy into low nic levels sometimes makes them give up altogether. When I tried this before, practically everyone was into complete abstinence from ALL forms of nicotine use. I knew it was just not working for me and I felt like a failure. That depressive feeling of failing is not conducive at all to giving up inhaled tobacco. Nicotine is not the monkey.....inhaling burning ash is the monkey.

 

[tinstar15]

I had to reluctantly say No on the poll. I've been using Aroma's WTA infused turkish in rotation with my usual Dekang stuff for a little over two weeks and I honestly couldn't really feel any difference from regular nic liquid. Maybe it's just me. I really had high hopes too. I must be screwed up or something because I know two other WTA users that swear by it. Only thing I can figure is that maybe my medications are limiting or negating the effect.

 

[frankie1]

Are you using snus? Your signature line says you are smoke free since 2009. Are you still having problems with cravings? I am just curious why you tried the WTA. I have had problems with just the regular nic liquid so I am hoping the WTA will help get me completely off cigarettes.

 

[DC2]

I had to reluctantly say No on the poll. I've been using Aroma's WTA infused turkish in rotation with my usual Dekang stuff for a little over two weeks and I honestly couldn't really feel any difference from regular nic liquid. Maybe it's just me. I really had high hopes too. I must be screwed up or something because I know two other WTA users that swear by it. Only thing I can figure is that maybe my medications are limiting or negating the effect.

Thank you for an honest response.
I hope it spurs a discussion which sheds more light on these matters.

 

[Stubby]

Can you point me in the direction of learning about nasal snuff? I have heard it mentioned before, but never got around to investigating it.

I hope others will realize that pressuring people that are new to harm reduction therapy into low nic levels sometimes makes them give up altogether. When I tried this before, practically everyone was into complete abstinence from ALL forms of nicotine use. I knew it was just not working for me and I felt like a failure. That depressive feeling of failing is not conducive at all to giving up inhaled tobacco. Nicotine is not the monkey.....inhaling burning ash is the monkey.

This is a forum for snuff

Snuff House

One of the larger online storers to buy snuff

https://mrsnuff.com/

Toque is a good place to start for snuff as most of it is fairly easy to take except for the finer ground stuff as in quite or any of the toast types. They have a good sample box where you can order 10 cans of 10 gram snuff cans for a reduced price.

http://www.toquesnuff.com/

You may want to try and find something locally as many tobacco shops will carry a few snuffs. Watch out for the american snuff though. Its good but not really to good for beginners. I prefer the UK snuff above all others.

As I mentioned, snuff really doesn't have the nicotine hit of other products, though there are a good many people who have used it to quit smoking. For light smokers it may do the trick, but it you're doing a pack a day you would have a hard time getting enough to kill the cravings.

 

[tinstar15]

My main problem is more psychological probably. I haven't smoked since 09 but every day it tempts me. A lot. Every time I see one unattended analog I get the urge to pick it up. The PVs are fine but they just don't work like the analog. I liked smoking. I miss my pipes, cigars, and the occasional cig. I wasn't suffering from any sort of health issues that made it mandatory to switch. I did so for the sake of my wife who seems to be hyper-sensitive to smoke. Just smelling a shirt I wore while smoking would induce an allergic reaction.

I've come to terms with my inability to give up nicotine mostly. I just wanted that "feeling" of an analog again. If for some reason PVs and liquids became illegal, I know I'd be right back smoking. I used zero nic for a while but ended up going right back to the nic liquids. I know that I'll stick with PVs because I force myself too. I figured that WTA might help make it easier to stick to PVs but it just wasn't meant to be for me I guess. I've got a stack of mods only because I'm trying to keep things fresh. If I get too bored or stuck in a vaping rut then I'm worried that the temptation may become stronger.

 

[DC2]

Tinstar15, what vaping equipment are you using?

 

[frankie1]

My main problem is more psychological probably. I haven't smoked since 09 but every day it tempts me. A lot. Every time I see one unattended analog I get the urge to pick it up. The PVs are fine but they just don't work like the analog. I liked smoking. I miss my pipes, cigars, and the occasional cig. I wasn't suffering from any sort of health issues that made it mandatory to switch. I did so for the sake of my wife who seems to be hyper-sensitive to smoke. Just smelling a shirt I wore while smoking would induce an allergic reaction.

I've come to terms with my inability to give up nicotine mostly. I just wanted that "feeling" of an analog again. If for some reason PVs and liquids became illegal, I know I'd be right back smoking. I used zero nic for a while but ended up going right back to the nic liquids. I know that I'll stick with PVs because I force myself too. I figured that WTA might help make it easier to stick to PVs but it just wasn't meant to be for me I guess. I've got a stack of mods only because I'm trying to keep things fresh. If I get too bored or stuck in a vaping rut then I'm worried that the temptation may become stronger.

That is exactly how I felt when I gave up almost 3 years ago. My husband is a smoker and can't get into vaping. It was too easy to go back to cigarettes since they are so much a part of our life together and are always available at my house. I couldn't resist the temptation.

I have some WTA and I do think it helps some....

 

[hittman]

Hello frankie. I remember you from the " are we getting it" thread. I'm in a similar position with my wife who is still a smoker. They are always there sitting in the garage and available at any time. I've offered her an ecig several times but she just doesn't show any interest. You can't make someone quit who doesn't want to.

 

[frankie1]

Hey Hittman. That was a great thread. I learned so much about nicotine and vaping. I never knew why I couldn't quit with the patches or gum, just knew I couldn't. I am so glad that WTA is now available. There is so much that is new in this vaping world. Maybe I can do it this time! At least now I know that my health issues are not vape related.

I hear you on the spouse thing. DH has quit smoking several times cold turkey...but he always goes back. He thinks vaping is causing him to cough so badly....I think he just can't get the hang of it. He takes long, deep inhales and then just chokes on it. My entire immediate family and most of my friends smoke.....this is about the only place I can find support.

 

[hittman]

You are right about things in the vaping world changing. It seems like there is something new coming out every day. I know that wta liquid isn't for everyone but after trying it for the first time from Dvap, I knew that it could help some.

 

[tinstar15]

Tinstar15, what vaping equipment are you using?

It might be easier to list what I don't have

I started off with the ol' L88b Volcano and have pretty much progressed through all the usual Chinese stuff (801,901,401,510), then onto the eGos when they first came out. From there I went to mods, mostly mechanical tubes. Then into VV stuff. I bounce between my Don, Provari, the GLV Supermini, the P16, and the Touchwood. Occasionally I'll hit up the old Screwdrivers or the Altsmoke BB. I use my SB on the boat since it sits in a padded rod holder so perfectly. I run DCT tanks or LR cartos depending on device and mood. I also play with whatever new thing is out if the opportunity presents itself. I use Dekang, but also have some Halo, BWB, AVE, Aroma, MsT's, and Vermilion river stuff too.

I'm quite officially all over the darn place.