Health Care Providers Want to Learn More About E-Cigarettes

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Patients, news stories, and advertisements were most frequently cited as sources of information about e-cigarettes, rather than professional sources. [....]

If this is where doctors are getting their information and advising patients on the basis of that information, not sure I'll be going to the doctor's... ever again...

Family physicians reported knowing more about e-cigarettes and being more comfortable discussing their use with patients (P < 0.05) than pediatricians and nurse practitioners. Ninety-two percent of respondents reported wanting to learn more about e-cigarettes.

Which no doubt why the ANTZ have mostly pediatricians speaking out against ecigs, cause most of them don't know any better... :facepalm:
 

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So how many patients do pediatricians treat for smoking? I would imagine that very few would see a smoking baby but you never know.
Whats the story with nurse practitioners. though, you would imagine smoking would be a common enough thing they would deal with. Not confidence inspiring,.

I would have agreed with your question about pediatricians a month or two ago, but after researching some of the pediaetc. doctors who have been quoted in anti-vaping articles, I find that many of them (according to their cv's/websites) continue treating patients well into adolescence. As to how many they treat for smoking, one can only guess. (My belief is that ANTZ work hard to find pediaetc's who've treated one or two such patients and then fill them (the docs) w/ their propaganda for respewing...)

Remember, a doctor can recommend NRTs for youth as young as 12, and keep in mind also that Chantix is being studied for use in youth as young as 12 (https://www.ckraresearch.com/2012/01/adolescent-smoking-cessation-3/).
 

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So how many patients do pediatricians treat for smoking? I would imagine that very few would see a smoking baby but you never know.
Whats the story with nurse practitioners. though, you would imagine smoking would be a common enough thing they would deal with. Not confidence inspiring,.
 

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Remember, a doctor can recommend NRTs for youth as young as 12, and keep in mind also that Chantix is being studied for use in youth as young as 12 (https://www.ckraresearch.com/2012/01/adolescent-smoking-cessation-3/).

Now I'm scared! That they should even consider champix for adolescents is beyond comprehension.
Of course it doesn't harm their 'think of the children' tack to used pediatricians, after all who else would a parent trust more a GP or a pediatrician when asking whats best for their kids. Benefit by association if only suggested benefit.
 

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If this is where doctors are getting their information and advising patients on the basis of that information, not sure I'll be going to the doctor's... ever again............

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Back in 2009, I was my doctor's first encounter with a vaper. Over the next 6 months I provided him information that I found here and from CASAA. He has since done more research and now recommends vaping to his smoking patients and is a big proponent. He now has a number of patients who quit smoking by switching to vaping. He is an Internist. The same goes for my Dentist who actually ask me to provide information on vaping for him to give to his brother-in-law who smokes.

My Internist also told me he NEVER recommends Chantix and will only provide a prescription for it if the patient demands it and then he goes over all the dangers with it. It's ironic that Big Pharm is allowed to make million dollar commercials pushing a product that has been the partial cause of multiple deaths, yet they and the FDA want to eliminate vaping if possible.

It is incumbent on all of us who vape to provide our doctors with information from CASAA, so the MD's have more than the Big Pharm mouthpieces (ALA, AHA, ACS) to depend on for information.
 
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If health care providers would prefer that pediatric patients inhale tar, carbon monoxide, particles of partially burned tobacco and paper, and thousands of chemicals that are created by the process of combustion along with their nicotine, then they need to dupe the kids into believing that e-cigarettes are no less hazardous than the real ones.

So far, there is absolutely no evidence that starting with e-cigarettes leads to tobacco use. Even the statistics that the CDC is providing about youth non-tobacco users taking up use of e-cigarettes is suspect. The CDC did not ask whether youth identified as non-tobacco users had switched to the e-cigarette and, as a result, no longer use tobacco products. The CDC described as "users" any youth who ever--at any time in the past--took so much as one puff. A more accurate descriptor of this group would be "experimenters." Only 2.2% of middle school and high school students were recent experimenters who had taken at least one puff within the 30 days before the survey. The CDC didn't even bother to find out (or, if it did, didn't bother to report) what percent of students are daily users.

If we are going to panic about acquiring addiction, daily users who never used tobacco in the past would be the group to worry about. How many of those are there? We don't know because surveillance isn't capturing this number. But since 90% of youth experimenting with e-cigarettes were current tobacco users, we can bet that the group of daily e-cigarette users who never used tobacco in the past will prove to be very, very small. And then this group would be further reduced by any member who was using a nicotine-free e-cigarette.

It is important to note that, although the CDC didn't provide the statistics until November 15--months after alarming the public about increased e-cigarette experimentation--smoking rates among middle and high school students continue to decline.

SAMHSA also reported a significant decline in smoking initiation rates among ages 12 to 17 years. So if there is a gateway, it appears to swing away from smoking. Let's not reverse that directionality.

Youth (correctly) believe e-cigarettes to be less harmful than conventional cigarettes. As long as youth continue to believe this truism, the direction of switching will continue to be away from real cigarettes toward the low-risk substitute. Kids are much smarter than many adults give them credit for.

But if, in a lame-brained attempt to scare kids away from anything that even looks like smoking, health providers claim that using an e-cigarette is no less harmful than smoking the real thing, the health providers remove a very important reason for sticking with the lower risk product. And sooner or later, the truth will out.

Let's not repeat the mistakes an earlier generation made with "...... Madness". When in the mid- to late-1960s, college age and high school kids figured out that their elders had been tremendously exaggerating the health hazards of ........., there was a veritable stampede to experiment with much more hazardous drugs ranging from ... to ...... and ........ That generation of kids reasoned, "If they lied about ........., they are probably lying about these other drugs."

If health providers are not scrupulously honest about providing accurate information to their patients (of any age), they run the risk of destroying trust and are likely to lose the opportunity to have a positive influence on the health of their patients.
 

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....If health providers are not scrupulously honest about providing accurate information to their patients (of any age), they run the risk of destroying trust and are likely to lose the opportunity to have a positive influence on the health of their patients.

The increasing exposure of Big Pharma's machinations using doctors to increase profits at the expense of patient health is already tarring the medical profession with the same brush. Add to that the well-publicized medical practitioners' uninformed disparagement of ecigs, and I submit they've already destroyed a lot of the trust we used to place in them, if not all.

Instead of simply researching any recommended course of treatment based on its merits, I will now also research my doctor's agenda before agreeing to that treatment.
 

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Let's not repeat the mistakes an earlier generation made with "...... Madness". When in the mid- to late-1960s, college age and high school kids figured out that their elders had been tremendously exaggerating the health hazards of ........., there was a veritable stampede to experiment with much more hazardous drugs ranging from ... to ...... and ........ That generation of kids reasoned, "If they lied about ........., they are probably lying about these other drugs."

Absolutely, Kids experiment and it doesn't take long before they discover they are being lied to. We can't lie to them about something like vaping and expect them to believe what we say about cigarettes. Well we can expect it but it ain't gonna work.

One of the reasons I posted this article is that I was hoping for some insights on how to reach people like this. After all they are saying they want to know more about electronic cigarettes.
 

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Absolutely, Kids experiment and it doesn't take long before they discover they are being lied to. We can't lie to them about something like vaping and expect them to believe what we say about cigarettes. Well we can expect it but it ain't gonna work.

One of the reasons I posted this article is that I was hoping for some insights on how to reach people like this. After all they are saying they want to know more about electronic cigarettes.

I reiterate, lead them to CASAA. I'm sure the Board would love to talk to them about ecigs.
 

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You also could refer them to this excellent (she said modestly) editorial published in Internal and Emergency Medicine:

Caponnetto P, Keller E, Bruno CM, Polosa R. Handling relapse in smoking cessation: strategies and recommendations. Intern Emerg Med. 2013 Feb;8(1):7-12. doi: 10.1007/s11739-012-0864-z. Epub 2012 Oct 7.

Handling relapse in smoking cessation: strategies and recommendations - Springer

Conclusions
Assisting smokers who have relapsed is not easy. The challenging path to successful smoking cessation runs via a constructive and supportive therapeutic alliance between the patient and a cessation specialist. The importance of forming this alliance stands in its potential to foster long-term treatment adherence and achieve optimal exploitation of individualized treatment plans.

However, realistic plans must also be taken into account that sustained cessation may not be achievable for many smokers, and alternative options should then be offered. Nicotine’s pleasurable effects can be controlled, and the detrimental effects of the delivery mechanism can be attenuated by providing nicotine from less hazardous sources. Thus, advising smokers who cannot (or do not want to) quit to switch to either low-nitrosamine snuff or electronic cigarette could be an equally effective way to help smokers to become abstinent. This new emphasis on tobacco harm reduction as an exit strategy for smokers unable (or unwilling) to quit is a key paradigm shift in the management of relapse, which could save millions of lives world-wide.
 

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That was an interesting article and it got me thinking about how differently we approach the problem of getting people to quit smoking. I can't get through the article right now but will get back to it. I was reading the same paragraph multiple times.

They are treating a disease or an affliction and seem to think it is all about nicotine.

We on the other hand recognize smoking not just as an addiction but also as a pleasurable activity. In other words we are telling people that not only can they avoid the health consequences but enjoy vaping it even more than smoking.
 

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The challenging path to successful smoking cessation runs via a constructive and supportive therapeutic alliance between the patient and a cessation specialist.
One of the most telling things in the EU regulation of ecigs is the complete ban of talking about ecigs with vendor supported forums, videos and any direct or indirect promotion banned.
Knowing that support is key to remaining smoke free, they sought to stifell any support available to ecig users.
One of the overlooked things about ecigs is the huge support users get from forums, vapemeets and you tube. I suspect that all of this is a large part of the success of ecigs for new users. I suspect they do too and are actively seeking to reduce ecigs potential as smoking replacements.
 
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