Hello from a non-smoker intrigued by e-cigs

[phulcrum]

If you're a non smoker and want to start using ecigs I would suggest you only use the carts without nicotine in them.

 

[drumkicks]

Many youngsters started smoking cigarettes because of images like that. It was a teriible reason to start smoking and is a terrible reason to start vaping.

I couldn't disagree more...

Everyone (in America) enjoys the liberty to make their own choices. If someone wants to risk health for looks then so be it. Not to mention smoking has definitely enhanced my life because of the social aspect. Of course I am older now and that has worn off, I am quitting/moving to the e-cig, but I don't see any reason for a non-smoker to not enjoy an e-cig if they so choose, after all, we all love it don't we!

To label it as only a quitting device is ridiculous (imo) there is plenty of enjoyment to be had!

 

[Brewster 59]

First off this is a great and dynamic forum. I love the support and information that is offered here in the community! Fantastic resource.

So let me introduce myself a little here: like the title says I am a "non-smoker". I started seeing many friends and acquaintances smoking these intriguing little devices about 7 or 8 months ago. Recently I have been doing some freelance work for a company that distributes ecigs so I have been learning about the devices directly.

Since I've had many relationships with smokers while not actually smoking myself I really appreciate the "revolutionary" aspect of the ecig.

Besides, it looks so damn cool and I've already enjoyed feeling like a femme fatale using it on occasion

Anyway, I'll be posting q's here and there on the forum and hopefully getting to know some of you better.

In the meantime I'm enjoying reading about your experiences and I'd love to hear about what inspired you to get into this whole "vaping" thing

-A. Cat

Well as a thirty year smoker I just want to say if you dont smoke dont vape! Nic is very addictive and really not cool and expensive. Ecigs are a great atternative to second hand smoke and the 4000 chemicals they add to cigs as well as not having to deal with smelling like an ashtray, paying excessive taxes, burn holes, going to the gas station daily, not being able to taste things, not being able to breathe right.

Personally I couldnt even imagine why anyone would want to deal with failing attys, charging batteries, Pvs that are inconsistant if they werent already addicted to nic.

No attack towards towards you at all but the most healthy thing you can do is to not smoke anything. IMHO have a good one.

 

[Brewster 59]

I can't help thinking there is a little hypocrisy being written here. Are some of you really saying that you can't become a vaper unless you become a smoker first? I thought most of us agree that nicotine is not bad for you, it is possibly addictive but also possibly actually good for you. There have been studies that support these ideas. So, if someone finds the notion of inhaling nicotine attractive and wants to try it, and they are about to buy their first pack of cigarettes, you wouldn't try to steer them towards vaping instead?

Actually I am not sayin that it is a promotion at all I am saying it is less harmful for my loved ones who live with my addicted self. Nic not bad for you? Im not a doctor but I cant imangine it is good for you just like caffiene really isnt good for you.

If I had a chance to sway someone I would tell them not to vape or smoke, it would be better for them and their money wouldnt be going up in smoke or vapor.

 

[68stang]

I can't help thinking there is a little hypocrisy being written here. Are some of you really saying that you can't become a vaper unless you become a smoker first? Do you think it's like a requirement or something? I get the feeling some of you think it's like a job promotion, ie: you can't be a doctor until you've been a resident first, you can't manage a McDonalds until you've assembled burgers first..etc.
I thought most of us agree that nicotine is not bad for you, it is possibly addictive but also possibly actually good for you. There have been studies that support these ideas. So, if someone finds the notion of inhaling nicotine attractive and wants to try it, and they are about to buy their first pack of cigarettes, you wouldn't try to steer them towards vaping instead?

I agree with you 100 percent. I would never go out and try to get people to vape...but i would never tell them not to....it makes no sense. If its that bad then we're all in a heap of trouble now arent we? And really as long as you don't overdose on nic it falls in the same realm as caffeine ....and i wouldn't look at somebody picking up a mountain dew and while i was drinking one and tell them no now would I? (THAT BEING SAID I Am cutting back on my vaping and nic levels...but even when i get to 0 nic i will still vape i enjoy it)

 

[5cardstud]

Welcome, I started smoking at an extremely young age and did so for 45++yrs. and just got tired of having poor lung function and being woke up at night from my own weezeing. Just in the few days since I started I can already feel my lungs starting to clear a little. Good luck.

 

[Grav]

I'm 24, been smoking for 8 years. A few years ago I was diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis and Rhanad's Phenomenon (decrease of temperature causes significant restriction of blood flow to hands and feet). I've lived in Upstate NY all my life, over the past few years the winters have taken a toll on me. Due to my conditions, my hands have been turning white, sometimes purple everytime I'd go out in the cold for a smoke. I knew I had to quit cigarettes. The only other method I've tried for quitting was "Smoke Away," which actually would have worked if it wasn't for the act of smoking that I love so much. Just recently, a friend of mine sparked my interest in E-Cigs and after some research and learning of the possible health benefits, I decided to try the Vapor King 510 model w/ High Nic. I didn't know what to expect, I was concerned about the taste difference and the "throat kick." I've found that Vapor is no different (tho some may disagree). I love being able to smoke indoors, no more freezing smoke sessions. I'm currently on my second day of using it, and after being a pack a day smoker, I've only smoked 5 Analogs since (mostly for comparison purposes, and one time when my battery died lol) Definitely on route to making the full switch, only thing is, I'm not a big fan of refilling carts with eliquid, w/ spilling and mesh coming out, so, I've been thinking about switching from my current 3-Piece unit and order the E-cig.com's E8 2-Piece unit. Any opinions?

 

[jongleur]

I can't help thinking there is a little hypocrisy being written here. Are some of you really saying that you can't become a vaper unless you become a smoker first? Do you think it's like a requirement or something? I get the feeling some of you think it's like a job promotion, ie: you can't be a doctor until you've been a resident first, you can't manage a McDonalds until you've assembled burgers first..etc.

I thought most of us agree that nicotine is not bad for you, it is possibly addictive but also possibly actually good for you. There have been studies that support these ideas. So, if someone finds the notion of inhaling nicotine attractive and wants to try it, and they are about to buy their first pack of cigarettes, you wouldn't try to steer them towards vaping instead?

+1 to that whole bit, Dee.

It seems that there are many in the world who have an internal and unacknowledged script running that goes something like a corollary of the Groucho Marx quote, "I would not join any club that would have someone like me for a member." In this case, people would prefer that others not join the group they themselves find they are already members of. In either case, the script seems to me to run only under the system kernel of "Shame". I believe there is no shame in enjoying and benefitting from nicotine, nor even in the perhaps silly act of blowing out cool vapor.

I would guess that this is a minority opinion here (although, who knows -- maybe I'm wrong), but I just can't stomach anything that reeks of tribalism or elitism. I believe it is plain wisdom to seek freedom above all -- and that that freedom requires a set of personal responsibilities: among them, the responsibility to acquire the necessary knowledge, the responsibility to strike a healthy balance between the exercise of commonsense and curiosity, and, not least, the responsibility to respect the freedom of all others.

And besides, as you aptly point out, as far as we can tell so far, better a person begins vaping than begins smoking, right?

--John

 

[PaulaLynn]

Dee, I have to disagree with that argument. I don't think its a promotion. I vape because hopefully its a less harmful solution to smoking. Nobody really knows for sure because there haven't been enough tests done. We can all summise why the FDA is not approving it, but does anyone really know for sure, its Generally Considered as Safe, is it safe? really? Safer than cigarettes, I'd like to think so, but who really knows? I would die if my son or daughter who currently don't smoke, picked one of these things up with nic or not and started vaping. For this reason, I would not recommend to a non-smoking stranger either. If my son or daughter were alreaedy smokers, then yes, of course I would turn them to vaping, is it safer? I have no idea, but I'd like to think it is.

 

[sherid]

+1 to that whole bit, Dee.

It seems that there are many in the world who have an internal and unacknowledged script running that goes something like a corollary of the Groucho Marx quote, "I would not join any club that would have someone like me for a member." In this case, people would prefer that others not join the group they themselves find they are already members of. In either case, the script seems to me to run only under the system kernel of "Shame". I believe there is no shame in enjoying and benefitting from nicotine, nor even in the perhaps silly act of blowing out cool vapor.

I would guess that this is a minority opinion here (although, who knows -- maybe I'm wrong), but I just can't stomach anything that reeks of tribalism or elitism. I believe it is plain wisdom to seek freedom above all -- and that that freedom requires a set of personal responsibilities: among them, the responsibility to acquire the necessary knowledge, the responsibility to strike a healthy balance between the exercise of commonsense and curiosity, and, not least, the responsibility to respect the freedom of all others.

And besides, as you aptly point out, as far as we can tell so far, better a person begins vaping than begins smoking, right?

--John

I could not agree more with you. Sometimes I am appalled by the anti-smoking rhetoric coming from the mouths of people on this board. It reeks not of the so-called "stench" of smoking but of the more seriously troubling stench of hypocrisy. So, you have been a vaper for a week or a month and suddenly those "filthy smokers" disgust and appall you??? Guess that's why I still smoke at least one cigarette a day. I could never align myself with those who either call themselves anti-smokers or behave and react to smokers according to the party line. THAT is disgusting to me.

 

[DC2]

I got into vaping to avoid dying.

 

[DC2]

I know there are many people who recognize what a serious threat to the continued availabilty of electronic cigarettes it would be if non-smokers were drawn to vaping. Fortunately electronic cigarettes cost too much, and are too much of a pain in the ..., for that to be a realistic concern.

 

[68stang]

i honestly believe drinking soda is more harmful than vaping.

 

[Chrissie]

i honestly believe drinking soda is more harmful than vaping.

Lol try telling the FDA that when they ban e-cigs in the USA partly due to the fact that some people find them "cool"

Sherid, I'm not being hypocritical, far from it. Smokers do not "disgust and appall" me at all. Far from it, I smoked heavily for 30 years & so wish I had never started! On the other hand, I have a neighbour that isn't interested in giving up analogues & he is gobsmaked that I am still "happy" for him to pop in for a coffee & light up.

However, can any of you who are posting on this thread in favour of encouraging a non smoker to start vaping truly put their hands on their hearts & say they never regretted starting smoking? Would any of you encourage people to start smoking?

If the e-cig is banned, & I reiterate, one of the reasons proposed for banning it is due to the fact that it may attract non smokers to take up the habit, will those non smoking vapers that you have encouraged turn to buying analogues?

 

[State Capitalism]

i honestly believe drinking soda is more harmful than vaping.

So why is everyone so against a non-smoker starting to vape, but don't care if I drink 20 cans of soda a day??

 

[scyllabub]

So why is everyone so against a non-smoker starting to vape, but don't care if I drink 20 cans of soda a day??

Follow the money

scylla

 

[Chrissie]

So why is everyone so against a non-smoker starting to vape, but don't care if I drink 20 cans of soda a day??

Would depend if it was diet soda or not

 

[sherid]

Lol try telling the FDA that when they ban e-cigs in the USA partly due to the fact that some people find them "cool"

Sherid, I'm not being hypocritical, far from it. Smokers do not "disgust and appall" me at all. Far from it, I smoked heavily for 30 years & so wish I had never started! On the other hand, I have a neighbour that isn't interested in giving up analogues & he is gobsmaked that I am still "happy" for him to pop in for a coffee & light up.

However, can any of you who are posting on this thread in favour of encouraging a non smoker to start vaping truly put their hands on their hearts & say they never regretted starting smoking? Would any of you encourage people to start smoking?

If the e-cig is banned, & I reiterate, one of the reasons proposed for banning it is due to the fact that it may attract non smokers to take up the habit, will those non smoking vapers that you have encouraged turn to buying analogues?

I'm glad you are not turning your neighbor away. I believe that what people choose to do with their lives is their business, so I would neither encourage nor discourage someone from smoking. I am also not vaping for the purpose of converting smokers. I don't have any regrets because that would be senseless. If I had hated smoking, I would have found a way to quit with or without e cigs. If the smokers I know decide to start vaping or show an interest in it, I will be glad to share my thoughts if they ask. I consider some vapers a bit out of control in their zest for conversion, and I find that offensive and a bit creepy in a cultish sense. I did not mean you or anyone specific, just a feeling I get from some posters.

 

[68stang]

non smokers turn to real smoking every day. THAT is deadly and I told friends no i would not let them "try" mine. But I am sorry if somebody really wants to try vaping I will not lose any sleep it is NOT that bad. Hell anybody can go in and buy the patch or the gum for the hell of it to. End of story And yes the people who drink 20 cans of soda a day are hurting them selves 10 times more than vaping

 

[Karl the heretiK]

While I'd never actively push vaping on non-smokers, people seem to forget that one of the big appeals of PV's is how they cater to the oral fixation many smokers have... PV's are the only thing I know of that can get me off of analogs AND keep me from gaining a bunch of weight in the process...

And I gotta wonder how many orally-fixated, non-smokers out there are vastly overweight and would be better served sucking on some no-nic juice instead of eating another piece of candy (oh, and I'm only picking on fat people because I am one)...

It's definitely something to consider...