Hello! newbie need help/advice

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dtrizz

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Hello! I'm Henry and is new to the ecig community. I've been lurking for a few weeks on and off. I have tried blu ecig and wasn't really impressed. But stumbled upon vapes like kanger and provari.

I was wondering which mod type ecig would be good for a beginner. (Not afraid to throw away some cash)
What would I need?
tanks?
Drip tip?
Etc?

Thanks!!
 

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Hi and welcome Henry!

We don't want you to throw away cash, we want you quit smoking! :) - So you want a mod. Cool. Tell me a little more about yourself...do you like to fiddle around with things vs "plug and play?" What is your lifestyle like? For example, the needs of a long haul trucker are different than those of a nurse grabbing a vape on a break. Have you seen any mod so far that really appeal to you? Etc. etc.
 

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Hi and welcome Henry!

We don't want you to throw away cash, we want you quit smoking! :) - So you want a mod. Cool. Tell me a little more about yourself...do you like to fiddle around with things vs "plug and play?" What is your lifestyle like? For example, the needs of a long haul trucker are different than those of a nurse grabbing a vape on a break. Have you seen any mod so far that really appeal to you? Etc. etc.

Uhm yeah I like to fiddle and adjust things rather than have a simple plug and play type of toy. I'm usually always on the run etc. Literally on the run at work. Valet worker. Provari appealed to me the most for some reason. What's the difference with cartomizers and atomizers btw? Can't seem to see what is what. they both look the same.
 

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I have reading/writing problems, so it will take me a couple minutes to answer about the carto/atty thing.

But word of warning - you just said the "P" word, which means that by the time I will have gotten the info together you will be told 1) How great they are and 2) How they aren't worth the $$$ - just play along...
 

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I can chime in while the cat is off playing >_>

Cartomizers and atomizers are basically about the same thing. The atomizer is just that, just a basic coil in a cup you can only drop about 3-5 drops of liquid into at a time. Cartomizer takes this a similar way, but a bit further. The carto has a filler that does 2 things the basic atty can't, holds more liquid, like a sponge, and gradually delivers that liquid to the atomizer, making it hold more liquid and better for out and about portability wise. Can fill say 2-3 cartomizers to go with you to last you a whole work day and such, where a basic atty is better suited for juice taste testing or when at home and such. There are hybrid attachements you can use with each that allow for storage of liquid to be delivered gradually to each, atomizer tanks like the "Amp" tank, to DCT tanks for cartomizers that these can be placed inside surrounded by the spare juice or drawn up into them from below.
 

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Back in the old days (like Tuesday), e-cigs came in three parts, like this:

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A battery (the power source), an atomizer (which contains the heating element that vaporizes the liquid) and a cartridge (which was basically a tube containing filler material soaked in liquid)

Close-up, the inside of a regular atomizer ("atty") looks this:

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When you read people talk about attys, generally they are talking about dripping and rebuildable attys. I'm not going there at this time.

A cartomizer ("carto") is essentially an atty and cartridge in one piece. The liquid in a carto is held in batting/filler material, wrapped around a heat coil which produces the vapor. Cartos can be used by themselves or in tanks.



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I can chime in while the cat is off playing >_>

Cartomizers and atomizers are basically about the same thing. The atomizer is just that, just a basic coil in a cup you can only drop about 3-5 drops of liquid into at a time. Cartomizer takes this a similar way, but a bit further. The carto has a filler that does 2 things the basic atty can't, holds more liquid, like a sponge, and gradually delivers that liquid to the atomizer, making it hold more liquid and better for out and about portability wise. Can fill say 2-3 cartomizers to go with you to last you a whole work day and such, where a basic atty is better suited for juice taste testing or when at home and such. There are hybrid attachements you can use with each that allow for storage of liquid to be delivered gradually to each, atomizer tanks like the "Amp" tank, to DCT tanks for cartomizers that these can be placed inside surrounded by the spare juice or drawn up into them from below.

So atomizer's are mainly good for taste testing basically? Cartomizers are usually used for daily use etc?

So what about tanks? How should I go into getting one of those? Or is just a cartomizer all I really need?
 

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Sorry for the late reply. Was up gaming for several hours before checking in here, and passed out in my chair, *gonna pay for that all day today -_-*. Cartomizers are a good, basic, easy maintenance attachment for a beginner as well as a great backup. You mentioned you might get a Provari or other APV. Going to go that route as your base to build off of, for a beginner, you'd be better off starting with having a 510 drip atty on hand, about $8 USD, and can last up to 30 days heavy use, and a few drip tips. Next would, if you are going to go the route of a cartomizer, look at a DCT, SmokTek, IBTanked, or other such system. The principle of the DCT, some swear by them, is longer usage between refills, the cartomizer is pre-primed, first filled outside the DCT, this helps in allowing flow and seeping from the tank later on. The cartomizer is pre-punched on the side(s) depending on thickness of juice, or horizontally slotted on the side with a dremel tool. Once punched or slotted and primed it is inserted into the empty DCT, and now becomes your atomizer, or coil system only. After that you back the cartomizer out a bit to get a gap at the top of it between the DCT top cap and the top of the cartomizer, then you fill the DCT up with liquid to the top or close to the top of the cartomizer, slide the cartomizer back up into the top cap of the DCT, and then place a drip tip on top. It is now ready to run and gun, and now the concept puts the combination into play. As the cartomizer burns up liquid in its filler material, liquid is pulled out of the tank into the filler to replace it, and when the DCT gets low on fluid, you just have to refill the tank, when the cartomizer coil finally gives out (about every 2 weeks) you just have to replace, punch/slot, and prime a new cartomizer, not the whole tank.

Another option to look into, also has an array of variety, but is really more simple for a beginner, is a clearomizer. These use a wicking system, bottom coil short wick filled from a bottom cap, to a top coil long wick filled from the top cap system. Bottom coil examples, iSmoka BCC mini (1.6 milliliter capacity) or mega (3 milliliter capacity), Innokin iClear16 (1.6 mil) or iClear30 (dual coil 3mil), Kanger bottom coils like the T3/MT3 (metal sheathed plastic)/T3S (Upgraded T3)/MT3S (upgraded metal sheathed plastic) (3 mil capacity), Evod (1.6 mil capacity metal sheathed plastic), Protank (Stainless and Pyrex Glass 3 mil capacity), Vivi Nova Mini (top coil 2 mil capacity) or Vivi Nova regular (top coil 3.5 mil capacity). The strengths of these attachments are they are easy to refill, maintain, care for, steady performers, and relatively cheap to keep running, to insanely cheap to keep running, excluding the iClears which I'll explain. In the beginning, if a coil is bad from the get go, keep it around in a storage bin with ones you have used and the coil has lived its life, just have to unscrew the coil assembly and replace with a new one, 3-5 USD a pop each new head. Later once you've got this replacement down and you stated you like to tinker, start getting practice recoiling and rewicking them, the iClears no one as yet has found a way to recoil them effectively, but the rest mentioned can be. Just takes some patience, getting the supplies, coil wire like kanthal a-1 or nichrome, probably 30-32 gauge, I use 32 myself on my T3S heads, and some silica wick, I use 2 milli-meter silica. Next is you just need some small diagonal or flush cutter, and a decent multi-meter, lowering your overall expendatures to pennies a day, just basically liquids being your major expendatures, and all those heads that were bad from the get go or lived their life that you used before can now be re-birthed back to life.

Hitting you with a lot of information there I know, just take down notes, and peruse the sections on these attachments, and the more advanced things like the rebuilding at your liesure and pace. I've been at this a few months now, with a lot of devices on my inventory, excluding having a Provari myself, I do have and used basic atomizers, cartomizers, couple DCTs, all of the clearomizers I've listed, and different battery bases, and now getting into more advanced systems like my 3 new purchases, a Phoenix rebuildable drip atomizer, and 2 RSST rebuildable tanks, I still exclusively run most of the day out and about on my T3S's and my 510 drip atty's at home, but it has turned into a hobby as well as a smoking cessation alternative ;). Just depends how simple you want to get started with.
 

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This is my favorite set up, and even tho I have a bigger ego 900 battery, this is my go-to vape. It is a 510 joyetech battery with a ce3 xl clearomizer. It gets lots of vapor, is super easy to fill, reliable, does not leak. I just keep 2 batteries and charge one while I use another. I like the clean stainless steel lines on it too. pack of CE3 comes with 5 for about $10-15 and they fill multiple times, and I can have lots of flavors ready. They hold almost 2 ml, which means it will last me all day. The joyetech batteries are also around $10-15 depending where you buy. Meaning for about $30 and the price of juice you can get started.
 

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(3set/pack) Mini eGo 350 Battery with CE4 in blister card - Zainy - Electronic Cigarettes

Be warned the shipping is a little long it take about 10 days for me to USA. But its worth the wait when considering the cost savings:2c:. For $30 it comes with 3 mini ego sets each set including an ego 350mah battery, charger, and CE4 clearomizer. Great little set for being out and about like you are.

I just got 4 more for a total of 12 complete kits they make great gifts for people your looking to get off of analog smoking as whale as veteran vapers because lets face it we all love big mods, shiny mods, VV mods, VW mods, DNA20s, etc. but we have those occasion where we just want to grab something simple and go.

As far a juice MT Baker Vapor their cheap but not crap and usually at least for me they always throw in a free bottle of something with my order.
 
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I'd go with a Ego T, CE or K. for now. Provari is great but, you're just getting into vaping, so let's get you on a good, simple one first that isn't too costly. (60 USD or so for a 2 battery starter kit.) I give the ego CE and K as gift sets to friends or relatives that want to get into vaping, 2 batteries, 2 rebuild able clearomizers, 4 rebuild assemblies, directions and, not one has gone back to analogs after that - most are now using provari or other higher end mods, doing DIY juice and having a blast with this "New fangled smoking hobby" as they like to call it. :)
 

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I agree with starting on an Ego kit, I started on an old Ego T kit, added some Ego C tops, for the replaceable atomizers. Added a couple of 1000mAh Twists to go with 650's that came with it. I'm on a Zmax v3 flat top with Protanks and Evod's now but will still throw an old 650 Ego C with my favorite juice in my scrub pocket for work hours in the hospital, not much bigger than a fat pen, with plenty of vapor and flavor. Good luck with whatever you choose.

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Personally I like tanks, forgo the cartos, they get yucky fast and have muted taste and flavor imo. Go for a decent bottom fed coil tank like Kanger ProTanks or Kanger T3S. Top coil wicks like the T2's are good too. Have fun and if theres a shop in your town go check it out! Then you can see items in person and ask questions at the store face to face. ..and Welcome Henry!:vapor:
 
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