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sorry folks work took me away and am just now getting a breather to get back here.

I really do appreciate all the advice :)

Reading Best E-Cigarette for a New User gave me a little insight as well.

I'm so confused though lol

I went to http://www.liberty-flights.com and http://www.mypvshop.com, sooooo many choices.

Couldn't find the one that BassMonkey was talking about

I found that the ego(JoyE EGO type of PV) with a LR306(low resistance atomizer) was a perfect fit for me.

I found "EGO" but not the LR306 model.

I looked at myPVshop Electronic Cigarettes - 510/eGo Electronic Cigarette and there were so many choices from Atomizers, Cartridges, batteries, Cartomizers, Cones and then there were accessories :facepalm:

I am sure that I would be happy with the EGO and I'll take that plunge but not sure how. I can see DIY refillables in the near future but first I just want to get comfortable with e-cigs, get a sense of flavors and nicotine levels. Cause it seems to me if I don't get those right I won't enjoy the experience.

Anyways wanted to circle back around here, I am looking forward to getting my first setup.

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Heyas Polar Bear,

To the best of my knowledge (still pretty new to this) the 306 is actually a different model of ecig. The ego is a 510 thread. The 306 might be the same thread, but you'd need an adapter to use a 510 cart on it. No direct experience with 306 stuff though, so i can't speak with any authority on the issue.

However, there's tons of 510 LR (low resistance) stuff out there. Both atty's and cartos. And, you might even find that you like the SR (standard resistance) gear. Liberty flights is a great site for an ego kit. Whatever kit you end up buying, I'd recommend a drip tip for trying out different flavors. Don't worry if you don't know exactly what the drip tip is for. You'll figure it all out alot better when you have everything in front of you, and a driptip only costs a couple bucks most places. If you get an ego-t, I'd also recommend getting a 510 atty and cone. The 510 attys is great for dripping, and I've heard the -t atty's aren't. The cone is just decorative and makes using a 510 atty with an ego batt more comfortable.

I went with an ego for my first mail order purchase mainly because SO many ppl here had recommended it. Figured they probably weren't all wrong :p and found I really do love it.

No matter how much I read, alot of it didn't really make sense until I had the gear sitting in front of me, and could play around with it.

Happy hunting! :)
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sorry folks work took me away and am just now getting a breather to get back here.

I really do appreciate all the advice :)

Reading Best E-Cigarette for a New User gave me a little insight as well.

I'm so confused though lol

I went to http://www.liberty-flights.com and http://www.mypvshop.com, sooooo many choices.

Couldn't find the one that BassMonkey was talking about



I found "EGO" but not the LR306 model.

I looked at myPVshop Electronic Cigarettes - 510/eGo Electronic Cigarette and there were so many choices from Atomizers, Cartridges, Batteries, Cartomizers, Cones and then there were accessories :facepalm:

I am sure that I would be happy with the EGO and I'll take that plunge but not sure how. I can see DIY refillables in the near future but first I just want to get comfortable with e-cigs, get a sense of flavors and nicotine levels. Cause it seems to me if I don't get those right I won't enjoy the experience.

Anyways wanted to circle back around here, I am looking forward to getting my first setup.

Polar Bear

Ah the LR306 is actually a replacement atty. You have to buy that separately after you get your ego(if thats what your getting). Here's a link to that Cannon | Drip Tips | Cisco 306 | LR | Atomizers | Cherry Vape

As far as which ego I got it would be this one JOYE EGO 510 - STANDARD BUNDLE in blue. should have gotten the black haha. here's the link Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Joye eGo JOYE EGO 510 - STANDARD BUNDLE

If their site seems to be a bit confusing try this one MadVapes 510 Ego Kit with Carrying Case It comes with the xl battery, and case, which did not come with mine.

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Heyas Polar Bear,

To the best of my knowledge (still pretty new to this) the 306 is actually a different model of ecig. The ego is a 510 thread. The 306 might be the same thread, but you'd need an adapter to use a 510 cart on it. No direct experience with 306 stuff though, so i can't speak with any authority on the issue.

However, there's tons of 510 LR (low resistance) stuff out there. Both atty's and cartos. And, you might even find that you like the SR (standard resistance) gear. Liberty flights is a great site for an ego kit. Whatever kit you end up buying, I'd recommend a drip tip for trying out different flavors. Don't worry if you don't know exactly what the drip tip is for. You'll figure it all out alot better when you have everything in front of you, and a driptip only costs a couple bucks most places. If you get an ego-t, I'd also recommend getting a 510 atty and cone. The 510 attys is great for dripping, and I've heard the -t atty's aren't. The cone is just decorative and makes using a 510 atty with an ego batt more comfortable.

I went with an ego for my first mail order purchase mainly because SO many ppl here had recommended it. Figured they probably weren't all wrong :p and found I really do love it.

No matter how much I read, alot of it didn't really make sense until I had the gear sitting in front of me, and could play around with it.

Happy hunting! :)
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Actually 306 is not a different ecig. It's just a different atty. lr306's come in various threads and the one I linked to him is the one that can be used with an ego because it has the 510 threads.

As far as dripping, its the way to go for taste IMO(its how I currently vape). But I am still new so I ordered some carto's to see what that was like. Sometimes dripping isn't practicle(sp*) like when driving. Trying to find an alternative at the moment for that kind of situation.

-Monkey
 
It makes sense having something in front of me will help my education better than just reading Maximillian

So I looked at Liberty flights and just when I thought ok I'll go there and pick the starter kit and off we go. Nope, there is the JOYE 510 and JOYE EGO starter kits. Was hearing good things about the EGO, that JOYE was EGO, heard that the 510 was good. All in the same breaths. There is even a RIVA 510.

Then when reading one of the kits descriptions there was this blurb "A typical cartridge lasts around 3 to 5 real cigarettes". OMG so we're talking minimum 4 cartridges a day ?

So bottom line it seems that while EGO is the way to go for begining, there is still alot of variety to choose from :facepalm:
 

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Also, I forgot to add, considering the amount of nic...

I've read that the nic in smoke gets absorbed through the lungs much more readily than the nic in vapor. But, the nic in vapor will coat your throat, mouth, and sinuses and be absorbed that way, although slower. This seems to be true, from my experience. If I've been distracted or busy for a couple hours, I'll have a big nic craving, which an analog cures pretty much immediately. If I remember to vape often, those sharp cravings don't appear for me. Sometimes I have to almost work at vaping. It's very enjoyable, much more so than analogs, but vaping often just isn't a habit for me yet. And sometimes I'm someplace where I can't vape for a while, so there goes another analog :p

Hope this helps,
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I know I'm all over your thread Polar Bear, but I was in the same boat as you and I'm trying to save you the reading and get you started. Actually I'm really excited for you lol. I was just so surprised when I started vaping that when I see smokers I just wanna go up to them and have them try mine lol. Then again I don't wanna look crazy, so I don't.

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It makes sense having something in front of me will help my education better than just reading Maximillian

So I looked at Liberty flights and just when I thought ok I'll go there and pick the starter kit and off we go. Nope, there is the JOYE 510 and JOYE EGO starter kits. Was hearing good things about the EGO, that JOYE was EGO, heard that the 510 was good. All in the same breaths. There is even a RIVA 510.

Then when reading one of the kits descriptions there was this blurb "A typical cartridge lasts around 3 to 5 real cigarettes". OMG so we're talking minimum 4 cartridges a day ?

So bottom line it seems that while EGO is the way to go for begining, there is still alot of variety to choose from :facepalm:

I really don't think you'll benefit from the regular 510 because of batt life. But as far as carts no need to worry you can bring all 5 or just keep refilling the one you have with you. That's what I do sometimes. I know I'm all about Liberty-Flights and all but if you do decide on the ego I would go with this one MadVapes 510 Ego Kit with Carrying Case just because it's cheaper and you get more for your money(case & XL battery).

Oh yeah check out this review too if you wanna see what it looks like in action eGo & LR 306 - YouTube

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Lol. Yup. You nailed it :p

Just a little info to clear up a bit of that. Of the models you discussed (510,ego,riva) the 510 came first. The battery diameter is approximately the same as an analog. Because of this size limit, the batt didn't last too long between chages. So, joye came out with the eGo. The ego uses the same threading as the 510, so all the rest of the 510 kit was compatible with it. The ego is a fat batt model though. An ego batt is approx 1/2 inch in diameter. Seems big when you first see a picure of it, but I got used to the size and fell in love with it in no time flat :) And the ego batts charge last alot longer than a normal 510 batt.

The riva 510 is an ego clone, but a very well spoken of clone around here. Batt is pretty much the same size and a comparable ego batt. There are some small differences between the ego and riva, but nothing earthshattering. Some prefer the ego, some the riva. The riva does tend to be a bit less expensive. Both are 510 threaded, so SHOULD work with any 510 atty's, cartos, carts, etc out there.

As for the number of carts used in a day, most everyone here seems to toss the carts in the trash at first opportunity. Carto's (cartomizers) replace both the atomizer and cart, and seem to be the preferred setup for an all day smoke. A normal carto holds ~1ml of liquid. I refill a normal carto once a day at max usually. And the carto's are reusable, but do wear out.

Although most don't care for carts(cartridges), the normal atomizers are great for dripping. good way to try out different juices without getting a yucky taste into a carto, and without using alot of juice at once.

If you go with the standard riva 510 kit, standard ego kit, or standard 510 kit, i'd recommend getting a box or two of carto's along with it. Boge carto's are well respected around here, and I think liberty flights sells them for about $8 for a box of five. Maybe get 1 box of standard and one box of LR. Add in a drip tip, and you'll have almost all your bases covered for trying out different setups for just the cost of the kit + <$20 for the cartos and driptips. Add in some small bottles of a variety of juices, and you're all set for lots of experimentation :)

Happy hunting,
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Hi Polar Bear and welcome to ECF!

I know it can seem very confusing at first but just take your time sifting through the advice and information, and you will get there! Unfortunately, it's not as simple as pick up a pack of smokes, open it, light one, and smoke. But it's so much more fun once you are into it, and finding your flavor(s) is an adventure too! I buy my juice from a couple of different places right now for different favorites, and alternate depending on my mood. None are tobacco type flavors, those didn't work out for me. I seem to focus on bakery flavors. But that's the beauty of this, so many choices! :)

I hate to throw another one out there for you, but I feel compelled to mention my experience. :laugh:

I started out with the Go-Go because from what I read, they had a larger carto, and I wanted something simple to start with. Boy are they ever simple! The carto holds about 3ml of juice, more than most, and the battery is 1300mah, both can last 1-2 days depending on how often you vape. I fill the carto, use it, then top it off when the flavor begins to wane, or if I know I vaped that one a lot, I'll top it off anyway so it doesn't go dry (bad for any atty or carto). There are lots of color choices too, and they have been very reliable. The least expensive Go-Go kits I've found so far are at The Go-go is one of the finest electronic cigarettes on the market today.. The kits come w/2 bats and a pack of cartos, and the service there is impeccable, by the way (he has saved me money on many items, and he's growing like crazy!). I don't get my juice there (found them elsewhere before I found this guy, although his french toast is great!), but there are tons of choices, as I mentioned earlier. :D

So, IMHO, for a great PV that lasts the whole day or longer, has great flavor and vapor, go with the Go-Go. After you get some more experience and are ready to experiment, then you can get some attys to drip juice with, or start DIY your own juice. (There are adapters for Go-Go to 510 to use the attys with).

Good luck with your journey! :toast:

:vapor:

ETA: You don't actually have to use 4 cartos a day, by the way (what you mentioned earlier), unless you change flavors, of course. You would just top off the carto with juice. They are designed to be disposable, but not that disposable. :p
 
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Alright then here is my plan

MadVapes-510-Ego-Kit-with-Carrying-Case
Refillable-510-Cartomizers - Made by BogeTech
Damn just saw that those are sold out and Liberty-Flights is sold out as well.

So as I understand it so far, it is a 3 piece setup (battery, atomizer, cartridge).
Where as a 2 piece system is the battery and cartomizer ?

If I went with refillable, I take it there are additional items needed ? like a syringe at least ?

What I am unclear about is the dripping. I imagine it means dripping juice into the e-cig as you vape. Which would make sense that it's not for driving. For driving one could use the carts? correct ? or a usb passthru ?

Polar Bear
 
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Just a quick word... :lol:

I've heard lots of good things about the go-go. But, if I'm not mistaken, it's proprietary. Buy a gogo and you're stuck with using gogo carto's, atty's, etc.

510/ego/riva isn't proprietary, so there's tons of options, and competition to come out with better/cheaper gear for it. Just my :2c:

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Hello, Polar Bear, and welcome to ECF!

If you want to try a fat battery, like an eGo or Riva, Liberty Flights is a good place to start. I use their eGos and Rivas myself and I'm very familiar with their offerings.

First of all, you need to decide whether you want an eGo or a Riva. The only difference between the two is the voltage--the Rivas are true 3.7v devices, whereas the eGos deliver ~3.2-3.4v under load; small difference, but noticeable. I prefer the Rivas, but the eGos are also great.

If you want to order a kit, I recommend a Riva carto deluxe kit; you're already familiar with cartomizers, so it will be easier for you. The kit comes with Smoktech LR cartos, they are good, but you may also try their 2.0Ω (or 2.7Ω, for a cooler vape) Boge 510 cartos. They are my favorite, but please read the filling instructions carefully and follow them. It's very important.

You are going to need some ejuice to fill your cartos; their Decadent Vapours line is fantastic! Get some sample bottles (5 ml) and see what you like. You can't go wrong with DV juices, I recommend USA blend if you like tobacco flavors, Cafe Brasiliano, Doppio Espresso or Cappuccino if you like coffee, the menthols are good, too.

If you don't want to buy a kit, you may just get what you want a la carte: get two 510 Riva batteries (or one Riva and one eGo), cartos, a fast eGo or Riva charger and you're set. I also recommend getting a mains (wall) adapter (500mA USB Mains Plug - US), as it is not a good idea to charge your batteries via your USB port.

Any questions?

Oh, I also suggest you visit their subforum, read some threads, ask questions. Liberty Flights

Good luck!
 

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3-piece=batt,atty,cart
2-piece=batt,carto (cart/atty hybrid - less parts)

They should always be refillable. I personally don't believe in pre-filled, but some aren't too bad, but IMO they aren't always filled to capacity. But once you use up the pre-fill, you should be able to re-fill. :)

I just drip drops into the carto onto the filler to refill or top off (not to be confused with "dripping"-see below), or a syringe for first fill, or sometimes use the "condom" method on first fill (cartos/carts typically have a rubber stopper on either end during shipping affectionately known as condoms). That method is explained in this forum somewhere, but let me know if you want it and can't find it. I use a syringe on a 510 carto (used w/adapter on my Go-Go), as I find it's easier with those. Use an 18 gauge blunt tip needle.

A pass-thru or PT is a type of battery or just power to the unit itself. Some are good, some not so much. I can't speak to those myself though.

Dripping is actually dripping a few drops directly onto the atty and vape a bit, then drip more, and repeat. And yes, that's why it's not good for driving. :blink: I've done a little of this just to test juices, but many swear by it and never use carts or cartos. They just plug a drip tip onto the atty and go. Drip tips make good mouthpieces for any cart or carto though for me, not just for dripping.

I hope all this is helpful! Any questions, ask away! :D
 

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Damn just saw that those are sold out and Liberty-Flights is sold out as well.

So as I understand it so far, it is a 3 piece setup (battery, atomizer, cartridge).
Where as a 3 piece system is the battery and cartomizer ?

If I went with refillable, I take it there are additional items needed ? like a syringe at least ?

What I am unclear about is the dripping. I imagine it means dripping juice into the e-cig as you vape. Which would make sense that it's not for driving. For driving one could use the carts? correct ? or a usb passthru ?

Polar Bear

Yup. 3 piece = batt+atty+cart.
2 piece =batt+carto.

As for dripping an atty(not carto) has no filler material. It's basically just a hollow shell with a heating element. So, combine that with a drip tip, and you're just dripping juice onto the heating element. There's no filler material(batting) to hold extra juice, which is both the attraction and limitation of dripping :p

As for the boge cartos, ecigsupply has the normal boge 510 carto's in stock, according to their website. I've ordered from them before with no problems, but they did take a bit over 24 hours to get my order in the mail. Not a huge deal, but lots of places will put an order in the mail same day. I've only ordered from them once though, and would not hesitate to order from there again.

For LR cartos, none of the stateside places I've personally done business with has boge LR's in stock (didn't check liberty flights, since you said they were out of stock) but crystal clear vaping has their Resurectors in stock. That's another LR carto, longer than the boge, holds more liquid. I haven't tried them yet (mine are still in the mail :p ) but they come very highly recommended here.

Happy Hunting,
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Just a quick word... :lol:

I've heard lots of good things about the go-go. But, if I'm not mistaken, it's proprietary. Buy a gogo and you're stuck with using gogo carto's, atty's, etc.

510/ego/riva isn't proprietary, so there's tons of options, and competition to come out with better/cheaper gear for it. Just my :2c:

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Good point Maximillian, but it hasn't hampered me a bit, and you make it sound like a bad thing. :)

As I said, there are adapters for every thread type available, and they are only a couple of bucks. I have a couple of 510 adapters, and I use all the same stuff now that any 510 can, so there really is no limit, and not stuck with anything at all. And the Go-Go cartos work better than just about any other carto, save a much LR like the 1.7 resurrectors, which are only slightly better (Go-Go is 3.7v). :vapor:
 

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Alright then here is my plan

MadVapes-510-Ego-Kit-with-Carrying-Case
Refillable-510-Cartomizers - Made by BogeTech
Damn just saw that those are sold out and Liberty-Flights is sold out as well.

So as I understand it so far, it is a 3 piece setup (battery, atomizer, cartridge).
Where as a 3 piece system is the battery and cartomizer ?

If I went with refillable, I take it there are additional items needed ? like a syringe at least ?

What I am unclear about is the dripping. I imagine it means dripping juice into the e-cig as you vape. Which would make sense that it's not for driving. For driving one could use the carts? correct ? or a usb passthru ?

Polar Bear

Why go to two different suppliers?

The kit from Madvapes is more expensive.

And LF has Boge 2.0Ω in stock (silver, not black).

Oh, if you order from LF, don't forget to click the 20% off button in the upper left corner before you start carting stuff!
 

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There's a bit of confusion sometimes with the term "510".

Yes, the eGo and actual eGo clones are 510 devices. That is referring to the threaded connector where the atomizer or cartomizer attaches to the battery.

When someone refers to a 510 kit though, they are usually referring to something very different. A 510 in that case is threaded and sized for the 510 standard, but the battery that most call a 510 battery is a slim battery.
Smaller batteries = Less capacity

A standard 510 battery is near the size of a regular (analog) cigarette.
An eGo battery is closer to the diameter of a Sharpie marker pen.

I hope this didn't add fuel to the fires of confusion ;-)

And also.... Welcome aboard!
 
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