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To the OP; I completly understand your situation. I'm in a profession that is required to enforce the policies of a College Campus. THEY (being the powers in charge), anounced that the Campus was going to a tobacco free policy. No problem, I went and got some blu's. Didn't worry about it. Then I got the "chance" to be overheard while I was speaking with some students about the subject. One of them ask me if I knew if they were going to ban "e-cigs" my reply was very honest as where I stated that if THEY did then THEY were the dumbest educated people that I had ever met. Well much to my surprise the person that overheard me was the President of the COLLEGE. Whoops. I figured it was to late to back up so I just kept going forward with my opinion. Later it was anounced that "e-cigs" were included in the ban. I found the person that had been assigned to research the information and ask what anyone would. What information did you have? The only information they had used was that "It's not approved by the FDA, and found a study that said the liquid contained rat poison and anti-freeze" I feel confident in saying that all the members of this forum have seen that same study. They never did any other research on the subject and therefor the policy was put in place.
I was a 50-60 analog a day smoker. It was suggested earlier in the post that you should try to find a stealth PV. I can't recomend doing or not doing this, but I will say that a small 400mah spinner and a innokin ItasteVV with the pen cap are not noticible at all. Actually I've had people want to borrow my pen. I've always handed them the writing pen and not the square one. (I hope you follow me on this) Most college restrooms have some kind of order to them. Be safe and I wish you the best of luck with the petition. I've suggested it more than once to people that have ask my opinion.
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I was a 50-60 analog a day smoker. It was suggested earlier in the post that you should try to find a stealth PV. I can't recomend doing or not doing this, but I will say that a small 400mah spinner and a innokin ItasteVV with the pen cap are not noticible at all. Actually I've had people want to borrow my pen. I've always handed them the writing pen and not the square one. (I hope you follow me on this) Most college restrooms have some kind of order to them. Be safe and I wish you the best of luck with the petition. I've suggested it more than once to people that have ask my opinion.
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I need to find out who brought up the idea and decided to ban e-cigs at my college. That could be a good start at finding out the real reason why they were banned here.
I would love to find where the alleged "rat poison" article comes from. As far as the anti-freeze, propylene Glycol is used in inhalers for asthma patients, which is FDA approved. If propylene gycol was dangerous, why would it be used as a carrier in medical product? Ethylene glycol used to be used in anti-freeze, which is poisonous and killed numerous pets.
I wrote a pitch paper for a fictitious company you can use if you want. I didnt post it cause i dont want it to be torn apart by everyone but if you want ill post it later, not my best but it goes into air quality, quitting etc and it has 2 pages of references you can use.
Hope I'm not giving to much information when I say this but I did ask them if my nebulizer was going to be banned along with people exhaling when the air is cold. After all it's the same thing. Vapor. One suggestion that was brought to my attention is to see if my lung doctor (sorry can't spell the long word) would wite a Doctor's note saying it was ok for me to vape. My last check up with him he was very supportive with the results he had been seeing in my improvement. If the Doctor says for you to do it, what's the difference between that and using an inhaler or nebulizer. Are they going to tell someone with asthma that they can't take a treatment because of the PG in it. As far as the rat poison is concerned we have to remember that you can take one written statement and have 5 different people read it. You'll get 5 different opinions on what that one statement says. People read a lot into what's not there.
We all exhale water vapor, even when it's not cold. The only difference is the temperature difference from your lungs coming into contact with cold air allows one to see the vapor.
Maybe cars should not be allowed on a college campus because they emit dangerous carbon monoxide, and other pollutants. Perfumes should be banned because some of them cause sensitivities to people like me.
I took my 90 year old mother to JC Penny's yesterday so she could shop in the ladies department. I had to hold my breath as one woman walked past. I don't know what perfume she was wearing, but wow!
I also vaped while I was there, and got away with it!
Maybe cars should not be allowed on a college campus because they emit dangerous carbon monoxide, and other pollutants. Perfumes should be banned because some of them cause sensitivities to people like me.
I took my 90 year old mother to JC Penny's yesterday so she could shop in the ladies department. I had to hold my breath as one woman walked past. I don't know what perfume she was wearing, but wow!
I also vaped while I was there, and got away with it!
Yes, please! Post the article or send it to me and i would love to read it and see what I can use.
Funny the FDA doesn't approve of E-cig liquid, however they want us to inject our children with poisonous vaccines. Has anyone ever read up on what is IN a vaccine? Thimerosal for one... which is mercury. Formaldehyde... look it up if you have children.
I think what you will find with most Counties in most States is that Instruction on the Community College level is down by Two types of Individuals.
Full Time Instructors (Professors): These are Instructors who are under Permanent Contract. They are Guaranteed a Yearly Salary. It is Exceedingly Difficult to remove or dismiss a Full Time Instructor short of a Morals Violation or a Health Issue.
Part Time Instructors (Adjunct Professors): These are Instructors who are under Contract on a Semester by Semester basis. Their Contracts may or may not be Renewed Every Semester. They have Almost No Guarantee that their Contract will be Renewed except for having No Student Complaints and being Liked/Respected by their Department Chair.
Whereas a Full Time Instructor may openly voice His or Her Opinion on some Issues with Relative Impunity, a Part Time Instructor can Not.
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A Vape-In, Are you Serious?
This isnt Vivian Malone Jones on the steps of Foster Auditorium. What could this possible Accomplish besides Severely Ticking Off Dr. Ball. And you will need Dr. Ball if you want to get anything Modified with regards to a e-Cigarette Ban.
Now you are thinking about this in a More Effective manner. Ill post a few more Ideas that may Help you once I have had a few cups of Coffee.
Perhaps you can outline Exactly where Smoking Is and Isnt allowed. And what Exactly is encompassed in the Current e-Cigarette use Ban?
BTW You might want to Read Up on this
Cigarette Restitution Fund Program
It may be Very Pertinent to your situation.
Thanks. I'll look at this stuff after class. I have a meeting with the Dean of Student Affairs about this later today.
Not sure what approach you are going to take Dr. Kiphart, but I would make it purely Exploratory and Cordial.
And when asked why you want a Modification to the e-Cigarette Policy, I would say that e-Cigarettes are a Viable Harm Reduction Method over using Tobacco Products. And restricting their use will limit Individuals who are seeking Harm Reduction from Tobacco Products.
I would repeat this as many times as possible. Because it may be the Inroad to having someone consider e-Cigarettes in a Meaningful way.
You Really Should Read and get a Better Understanding more about the Cigarette Restitution Fund Program and what role it may play on your Campus.
There could be Monetary Issues Involved that You Do Not Understand.
Thanks for this info. I'll be sure to say that to Dr. Kiphart! Anything else I should be sure to say to him?
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