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I think what your doing is Good. But you have to proceed Understanding what a Non-Ban would include.
A Non-Ban or a No e-Cigarette Policy would allow e-Cigarette use inside Classrooms. This is going to be a Very Tough Sale to even Instructors/Administrators who are e-Cigarette Sympathetic.
I think you should consider crafting an e-Cigarette Policy that would allow e-Cigarette use in Open Air areas that are not within 50’ of Buildings but which Bans e-Cigarette use Inside School Buildings.
You will find that by making a Compromise that you may be able to achieve Most of your Goals. But if you push for Completely Unregulated e-Cigarette use that you Chances of Achieving Anything are going to be about Zero.
You need to pursue this and to make this one of your Main Points that e-Cigarettes Promotes Reduced tobacco Use.
This is what I am going to do! I forgot to mention that. The ban started because a kid refused to not use the e-cig in class. I will try to get it allowed to be used outside. If I can really prove my point then I'll try to get it allowed in the cafe. But thats still a stretch.
Do you know of any studies that support this? I'm currently looking for ones conducted by non e-cig users.
Now you’re on the Right Track.
Remember that a School isn’t just comprised of Student. There is also a Small Army of School Employees working in Cubicles. The Policy that you craft will apply to them also. So you have to start thinking of a School more as a Business.
BTW – Here is something I posted awhile back which is similar to what you mentioned about a student wanting to use an e-Cigarette in a Classroom.
It’s a Closed Thread but it is Post #24.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...50-kids-skipping-class-smoke.html#post5751420
I don't off the top of my head.
You might contact DC2 or Kristin here on the ECF. They might be able to point you in the right Direction.
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Just say your using nic free juice and blow it in his face
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JSYK – This is the Reason that I Couldn’t Sign your Petition in its Current Form.
The Department of Health & Human Services is encouraging all colleges to ban all tobacco products. If you aren't interested in reading the entire brochure, you should read pages 8 and 9.
http://www.hhs.gov/ash/initiatives/tobacco/tobaccoprogress2012.pdf
And if you haven't seen this yet, Home | BeTobaccoFree.gov
http://www.hhs.gov/ash/initiatives/tobacco/tobaccoprogress2012.pdf
And if you haven't seen this yet, Home | BeTobaccoFree.gov
Oh yeah, he certainly shouldn't have to! The logic of not smoking during class-time I totally understand too...I mean, cigarette smokers have to wait for a break so why shouldn't e-cig users? Plus, it's going to be distracting for other students if there is a plume of vapour coming from one corner of the classroom! That said, I had some problems last year when I tried to use mine inside rather than outside during a specifically allocated break time. Many people thought I should go outside and much negativity ensued.
Removal from academic buildings (lecture theaters, seminar rooms etc) I don't have a problem with, but their entire condemnation and banning from the entire campus is RIDICULOUS!
Oh, and we somewhat have an equivalency in the UK although they're not called 'community colleges'. We have 'colleges' which usually cater for 'further education', e.g. finishing high-school and vocational qualifications but some are now offering higher education/ university courses. My stepbrother, for example, was able to complete the first two years of his undergrad degree at a local college and then transferred to a university to finish his final year. There are arguments that thanks to the increasing costs of education (it jumped from free when I was an undergrad, to £3000pa in 2007 to £9000pa in September this year!), we will see a two-tiered system/an American system in the UK. But I digress and, if you'll forgive the terrible pun, it's all academic!
As for papers written by non-e-cig users, one of the best pieces of advice I can give you is find any paper written about e-cig use and email/telephone the writers. They might not be willing to expose their own biases within their papers so asking them directly is possibly the easiest way of finding out. Most will be flattered that you've taken the time to contact them and ask them directly about their work. I wouldn't start out by asking them specifically about their own smoking/e-cig use/values pertaining to these, rather kiss-up to them first. So... Dear Professor Bloggs, I was very interested in your paper on the use of electric cigarettes as this has become a particularly relevant issue in today's society and within my local college. I was wondering if you could clarify some points within your paper as, not being a scientist/doctor/whatever, and wishing to know more about the field, from such an eminent academic in the field...yadeyadeyada, lots of kissing up...Question 1: specific to their paper, Question 2: Do you use an e-cig/smoke? Thank you very much in advance...
I often find that if you don't ask, you don't get. Tenacity (which you seem to have buckets of anyway!) is always a good thing! I did this for an essay I wrote last year for class- I HATED the paper I was reviewing but I wanted to give it context by getting more information from the authors. They replied and I was able to use this as an argument in my essay...nobody else had thought of doing that! Also, I've spoken to some AMAZING people because I've had the tenacity to email them or call them and ask them about academic matters. Trust me, you'll have a lot of fun doing it!x
This is hardly the most outrageous thing going on in the vaping world.
Just take a look at the Legislative News subforum if you want a wakeup call.
Unfortunately, not enough of us are waking up.
But we're going to be slapped really hard soon, so I guess we'll see what happens.
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I'm pretty sure there is one, but I don't remember where to find it.
You probably wouldn't want to use it anyway, because they made the results look as bad as they could.
Have you sent an email to board@casaa.org yet?
I have not emailed them yet. I have already contacted Kristen of CASAA and she is doing what she can to help me out. They will be helping me create a flyer and petition for me to use at my meeting with the SGO. Should I still contact that email anyway, or no?
Start by voting out the administrators next election. In the mean time, vape discretely and don't flaunt it in their face. I do it all the time in airports. Accompany your petition with white papers supporting your argument. All that said, the petition is probably an exercise in futility.
NY City did not want the soda ban, the majority of the country did not want government dictated health care, most of us are against the UN gun regulation treaty and I would assume most are against paying higher taxes and uncontrolled spending: The only way to get things changed is to vote intelligently so we get rid of our nanny state regulators that continually erode our freedoms.
NY City did not want the soda ban, the majority of the country did not want government dictated health care, most of us are against the UN gun regulation treaty and I would assume most are against paying higher taxes and uncontrolled spending: The only way to get things changed is to vote intelligently so we get rid of our nanny state regulators that continually erode our freedoms.
Actually, this is not entirely true in the UK, an it is DEFINITELY not true in the US.
In the UK, Tespassing is a civil violation when it occurs on "private" property, but since almost ALL property in the UK is the personal property of the Royal family (with the exceptions of any land that a family holds a Land Grant Title for) and as such, this so-called "private property" is simply being "stewarded" by the "owner", their only recourse is to lodge a civil complaint.
Criminal Trespass IS, in fact, a violation on the books in the UK, but it can only be brought by the Crown, or their official representatives, for trespass on Crown Lands. It is, in fact, a VERY rare charge in the UK, but it does occasionally happen.
In the US, we also have 2 kinds of trespass--civil and criminal, but here, the difference is not so much who OWNS the land, but what the intent or actions of the transgressor were. If you just walk onto someone's property and they tell you that they don't want you there and you refuse to leave, that is "civil trespass". IF you entered that property with the INTENT to do a criminal act, or are caught performing a criminal act on property that you have no right to be on, then you can be charged with criminal trespass.
The law is a strange thing, and the differences between US and UK law are subtle and insidiously nonsensical.
I love how people--especially Europeans--always fall back on the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Apparently, nobody in the EuroZone who is involved with "civil rights" actually reads this document to the end, because if you did, you'd remember the last paragraph, where they say that if you are involved in ANY activity that runs counter to ANY agenda, policy or position the UN has adopted, you forfeit all the previously declared rights. Look it up...
And since the UN is essentially the international enforcement branch of Big Pharma, the Banskters and Big Ag, I think it's pretty safe to assume that being a user or advocate for e-cigs pretty much puts you in that category.
Just sayin'...
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Actually, an LEO can CHARGE you with anything they want to. You could be stone-cold sober, walking down the street and they could CHARGE you with DIP or DUI.
Doesn't mean the charge will hold up in court, but they can CHARGE you with any violation, for nay reason or no reason at all. All they need is "reasonable suspicion" that you are violating some law. Not proof, not hard evidence, not an admission or confession--just the SUSPICION, and in some cases, not even that.
Just look at all the OWS protesters that get charged with "resisting arrest" for laying down in the street, or the ones who are charged with "assaulting a police officer" for covering their own eyes with their hands when cops spray them with pepper spray...
There is a HUGE difference between being "charged" with a crime and actually being "convicted" of a crime. And more and more, LEOs are using "charges" to punish people for committing "contempt of cop" because even if you are stone-cold innocent, you STILL have to hire a lawyer, appear for several court dates, and tie up months of your life and thousands of dollars to prove your innocence. The fact is that most people just pay the fines when charge with bogus charges, thinking it will all go away. But what most folks don't understand is when you pay the fine on something like "resisting arrest" or "assaulting an officer", you then have a criminal record that will follow you for the rest of your life, and can prevent you from holding security clearances, working in hospitals or schools, or purchasing a firearm among many other things.
NEVER pay the fine outright. ALWAYS show up for a citation--even if it's for a simple traffic citation. The system HATES when we stand up to them, and often, judges will reduce (or even dismiss) such bogus charges just because they respect the fact that you had the balls to show up and call them out on it...
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