I can understand. I have made a new rough draft on my petition. Would you say the new version of my petition is heading more towards the right direction? I'm going to be adding more reasoning and studies to it as time goes on. I don't care for the petition anymore as it won't help me, but I would like to have a little essay with some points as to why I stand where I am on this issue. I just need to find studies that show e-cigs help reduce tobacco use now.
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I can understand. I have made a new rough draft on my petition. Would you say the new version of my petition is heading more towards the right direction? I'm going to be adding more reasoning and studies to it as time goes on. I don't care for the petition anymore as it won't help me, but I would like to have a little essay with some points as to why I stand where I am on this issue. I just need to find studies that show e-cigs help reduce tobacco use now.
Does anyone know why I cannot edit my original post anymore? The edit button has, sadly, disappeared.
There's a time limit for editing. Not sure what it is, might be 24 hours, but definitely a limit
Amazing that an "Institute of Higher Learning" would be so ignorant of something before passing judgement and setting up a ban....
A General Public petition will have Very Little, if any, bearing on your Schools e-Cigarette Policy.
If you could show a Statistically Significant number of Signatures of your schools students, it might support your position. But the Views of Random people isn't going to do much.
If I was you, I would Drop the Petition. At the Very Least, I would Tone Down any Negative Verbiage directed toward your school or your schools policies. And never reference Anonymous Sources like "If you ask students".
"Lately, I have seen my college do a very poor job at stopping students from using tobacco products on campus. If you ask students, they will tell you security doesnt care about it. I want to change this!"
If you're going to keep the petition going, I would reword it to say something more like "I believe that my College can play a greater role in assisting students to reduce their tobacco use."
I would just Drop the Entire Petition. It isn't going to help you and there could be potential for Negative Feedback from your College Upper Administrators.
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Getting study results is good. Have you considered doing your own study here on the ECF?
If you choose to do one, I wouldn't rush into it. You would need to construct the Study so that the results would be Pertinent to your Situation.
Perhaps I could give you some Direction into setting one up and How to word it.
Thanks for this study. I found it very interesting. I have not seen that one before.
I just updated the online petition in order to have an easy to access place for people to be able to see my position on the matter. I will not use the online petition with the school. I am creating a paper petition with CASAA, which I will get students and faculty at my school to sign. Thanks for the feedback. I will adjust my little essay, so to say, regarding your comments.
I'm not sure about creating a study. That would take a long time, and after this year I am graduating from this college. So idk if me doing a study would help much. That and idk if I'd be the right person to conduct a study and actually have the study considered as being used by anyone, since I'm just some college student.
However, I was thinking maybe I could create a short video/documentary of people showing how they believe e-cigs can reduce tobacco use and how e-cigs have helped them. Maybe that could appeal more to people's emotional side and I think it would be more interesting to the SGO than reading a whole bunch of papers. Maybe a powerpoint, with a packet or flyer, and a video appealing to their emotions for the SGO. I could get a paper petition started and get as many signatures from my school as possible. The SGO really cares about the students so maybe if I can show them theres students and faculty who agree with me, then they would be more likely to listen to me and agree. Then with the Senate, I could have the full on packet and such really going into details.
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Do what you think is Best.
But I think what you will find is that most Policy Makers will put more weight on the results of even a 100 Person Study (ECF Poll) than Emotional Testimonies.
I agree. I just want to get the SGO members on my side because they can help. I don't HAVE to have them on my side because the Dean will take me straight to Senate if SGO shuts me down. I just feel like since the SGO members are all about making the students happy, they're emotional people. So showing them people really care about this might help. I'll have plenty of studies and facts to use toward the policy makers, not emotional videos.
Also, what do you mean by an ECF poll?
Unfortunately, The administrators are probably not at fault here. While they may be enforcing the ban, the problem more than likely lies with the professor who was humiliated by the student who continued to vape after he was asked not to. Often times the higher ups are just doing what is required of them, the person whispering in their ear behind the scene is more of a threat.
I'm gonna assume that you have a lot of legal training although I'd like to know how/where/why you learned English law... No, really, why? I hated it when I studied it!
The idea that almost all the land in the UK is owned by the Royals is kinda wrong. Don't get me wrong, they own a lot of land! But so do the Church. Land ownership is a 3D affair- you don't just own the top layer of soil but quite a way down and quite a way up but not ad infinitum (the poor people near Heathrow airport!). Certain things found within the land do belong to the Queen (valuable minerals etc) but otherwise, our serfdom ended a reaaaaaaaaaaaally long time ago and freehold land ownership is pretty much the norm for land/home owners (leasehold obviously more common in apartment blocks where usually one apartment owner owns the freehold). Even public bodies can own land separately to royal estates. Temple Newsam house in Yorkshire is owned by Leeds City Council, as is Lotherton Hall after it was bequeathed to them by the Gasgoigne family (this caused problems with county boundaries to keep it within LCC's boundaries as it belonged to them). Such land is public and people are welcome to walk around as they will. In examining the scope of criminal legislation on trespass, I must admit I had a bit of a giggle. A lot of the law is really out of date but in practice to the case in point, they wouldn't necessarily pursue trespass... probably an ASBO, but not trespass. The criminal law that does exist does not just apply to raves on royally owned land, but, thanks to the moral panic about raves and class A drugs in the 1990s, applies to all raves. I don't even think the Fathers for Justice in Spiderman suits on the front of Buckingham Palace were charged with trespass... they probably got an ASBO. This is, by the way, why I said the police wouldn't necessarily be able to do anything about it. They might get involved but they'd be looking to other criminal offenses to charge a person with first (always an ASBO! They're a joke!). As for the differences between UK and US law, aren't there massive differences? I mean, aside from the administrative law which is quite obviously different, and that your law is codified and ours isn't, if we take a 'sexy' area like murder you have different degrees of murder where we have murder and manslaughter (constructive act/gross negligence- although constructive act does include abnormality of mind etc) and you have legal executions. I mean, even between states don't you have to take different bar exams? The whole American legal system is a minefield, and the UK one isn't much better but in different ways.
As for the human rights thing, it was a joke. If anyone was actually going to use the UN legislation for this at such a minor level (comparatively), they'd be really foolish. It was taking things to the extreme, hence why I said I had taken it a million steps too far. I must admit that I forget that semantics and sarcasm do not always come across as intended.
Yes, in Europe we do love our Human Rights but we tend to fall back on the European version where certain rights are absolute. For example, if we impinge on a person's freedom of expression, this does not mean that we lose the right to life, or the freedom from torture. I cannot speak for people in the 'EuroZone' specifically on how far they read in the act as we use the Pound and not the Euro in England and I've not specifically asked anyone from the Eurozone. Generally, if countries sign up to the European Union and thus the European Convention on Human Rights, all countries have to account their laws by this and those that don't abide by the law have to be explained. Like I say though, such extremes as using HR law aren't really going to get anyone anywhere in the first instance (ECtHR is a last resort in extreme cases, for example) and it was just a joke. Although I would be interested to know where at the end of the document it says about forfeiting... It is 5.30am but I couldn't find it. Do you have the specific reference?
The ICC/UN is a bag'o'bull anyway- they make mountains out of molehills and ignore the real issues... how apt for today!
Does anyone know any doctors or science majors that know exactly how an e-cig works and how it affects peoples bodies? It will be beneficial if I have evidence that explains the science behind it so the people I explain this too can really understand how it works.
If you know any doctors or science majors who could help me, just have them contact me or let me know how to contact them.
If you know any doctors or science majors who could help me, just have them contact me or let me know how to contact them.
You can adapt one of the letters Bill Godshall wrote opposing a smoking ban that included e-cigarettes.
You can adapt one of the letters Bill Godshall wrote opposing a smoking ban that included e-cigarettes.
I am sure this is a very obvious one but I thought I would bring this video to your attention
Electronic Cigarette Review - YouTube
I found that one very inspiring to switch to electronic cigarettes
Also I had read a forum on here about a study done for the potential harm of nicotine and there were no harms maybe that should be a topic covered in the analysis of a personal vaper!
Also if you would like any help I am an excellent persuasive essay writer and did extensive research even before I started using these devices (I am trying to conceive so I wanted to make sure they did nothing to me or my love!)
But my bit of advice is to break things down but do not make it seem they do not know what they are talking about I read the petition before I signed it and I have to say the first paragraph I am not sure is great to include. You do not want to unknowingly insult or offend the person you are trying to persuade instead you want to innuendo the information in the most subtle and polite way as possible. I am certainly not deriding your message instead trying to provide my little amount of knowledge to better help you!
You see that though! In the beginning I persuade my idea upon you which you could have taken offensively and in the end assure you that I am not making you feel stupid instead am trying to better inform. That technique needs to be applied a lot throughout the whole discussion for you are talking to close minded individuals that have their minds already set on what they are going to do and they believe they are smart and know what they need to know already. You need to shock them but then pretend that they already know what you are talking about.
I am sorry if I am telling you things you already know and am harping on but I am just as enthusiastic as you are and would like to lend as much of a helping hand as possible. If you have any questions or thoughts about what I say please tell me I am the most open minded person you shall meet and will love to learn and help learn!
Electronic Cigarette Review - YouTube
I found that one very inspiring to switch to electronic cigarettes
Also I had read a forum on here about a study done for the potential harm of nicotine and there were no harms maybe that should be a topic covered in the analysis of a personal vaper!
Also if you would like any help I am an excellent persuasive essay writer and did extensive research even before I started using these devices (I am trying to conceive so I wanted to make sure they did nothing to me or my love!)
But my bit of advice is to break things down but do not make it seem they do not know what they are talking about I read the petition before I signed it and I have to say the first paragraph I am not sure is great to include. You do not want to unknowingly insult or offend the person you are trying to persuade instead you want to innuendo the information in the most subtle and polite way as possible. I am certainly not deriding your message instead trying to provide my little amount of knowledge to better help you!
You see that though! In the beginning I persuade my idea upon you which you could have taken offensively and in the end assure you that I am not making you feel stupid instead am trying to better inform. That technique needs to be applied a lot throughout the whole discussion for you are talking to close minded individuals that have their minds already set on what they are going to do and they believe they are smart and know what they need to know already. You need to shock them but then pretend that they already know what you are talking about.
I am sorry if I am telling you things you already know and am harping on but I am just as enthusiastic as you are and would like to lend as much of a helping hand as possible. If you have any questions or thoughts about what I say please tell me I am the most open minded person you shall meet and will love to learn and help learn!
Thank you for this! I can definitely use this info to my advantage!
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