Help necessary for someone who just cannot grasp the DIY thing

[vicsan]

I have syringes. The problem is then doing the flavors. I can get exactly the ML using those. THe issue is the flavors. Some come as droppers, some open and I have to use my own droppers. The drops from the flavors will not be exactly the same. Is that ok as long as the pre-mixed liquid is the same?

let me re-say that. I am supposed to do 19 drops of liquid and one of flavor for 5%
18 drops of liquid and two drops for 10
17 drops of liquid and three drops for 15

how do I do this when the drops will not be the same each time?

Yes. It will be fine. If this is just for testing flavors, I don't think it needs to be that exact. You can use a dropper for the flavors not in a dripper bottle. The difference in drops for tasting purposes isn't going to matter that much. They will be close enough to give you an idea of what it will taste like and you'll be using the same dropper or dripper bottle when you mix a real batch, so it will be the same in the final mix.

Canoeist has the best idea. Mix up that 30ml bottle to drip the juice drops and just use a dropper to drop the flavors not in a dripper bottle and use the dripper bottle for the ones that are. That will be fine. You'll be fine. The only thing here that you need to be that exact with is your NIC juice levels.

 

[vicsan]

Thanks everyone. I currently have a bunch just sitting and steeping. I will post a picture.

I tried to use the same dropper for everything. I did for my pre-mix. I used the same dropper for the capellas and flavor apprentice.

I used the flavourart dripper bottle for the ones that I used from that brand. Probably not exactly the same as my dropper from the pre-mix, but at least the drop flavor sizes will be the same.

On a side note, I made two bottles of pre-mix and after noticed they were not filled to the same level. I even messed that up. at least it was just one 30ml bottle. I will use the calculator when I mix for real.

I also am guessing getting beakers might be easier than the syringes. On the syringes, it is often hard to see the lines because of the rubber stopper. At least with the beakers, I can use one dropper for my mix and one for the flavor and just get it to the level I want. If you think this is not accurate, please let me know.

Do most use syringes or measuring glasses? Why one vs. the other? I found I had to use like a million syringes while doing this and I am guessing they have to be cleaned and dry before continuing. If this is not correct, Please also let me know. thanks again for all the help and patience!

I wish I could get them to steep faster.......

Awesome, ob! I know! Waiting for them to steep is a real killer.

I've been using syringes to measure everything and once I measure and put it in the bottle, the syringe goes directly in my jar of vodka. I then suck up vodka and clean it out several times, swish it in the vodka to clean the outside, wipe on a paper towel and move to the next flavor or juice. You could have several syringes going at one time so you don't have to clean between every juice or flavor.

I did just order a set of beakers from Amazon. A very inexpensive set for $8.35. It has a 50ml, 100ml and a 250ml in the set. I plan to mix large 120ml+ bottles once I find my favorite juice, so I felt the beakers would work the best for that and they're a lot easier to read.

 

[the ob]

vicsan,
are you using them with needles? I was doing it without and it was annoying in that the syringes were totally covered with PG, VG or the nic with PG.

 

[vicsan]

vicsan,
are you using them with needles? I was doing it without and it was annoying in that the syringes were totally covered with PG, VG or the nic with PG.

Yes. I use a 14 gauge blunt needle. I have the LONG 3" needles that fit in the bottles without the syringe having to go into the liquid.

You can get the 3 inch, 14 gauge blunt needles here: Syringe with Blunt Tip Needle - One Stop DIY Shop Store

 

[canoeist]

OB - If you are mixing over about 10ml, the graduated cylinders are very handy. I have a 10ml & 50ml. I usually mix 30 or 60ml. When I need 15 ml I use the 10ml cylinder to measure and then pour into the 50ml. If I need to add 33ml, I just pour it into the 50ml one. I am going to get a 100ml one soon. I use plastic ones but my mixes are all pretty similar. I just rinse them out with hot water.

I use syringes for anything less than 3ml. Drops, I just count.

Way to go getting some stuff mixed. Go ahead and try it, see how you did!!!!

 

[canoeist]

Hey viscan - how about a link to the amazon beakers?

 

[vicsan]

Hey viscan - how about a link to the amazon beakers?

Here ya go!

Amazon.com: Graduated Beaker Set 50 100 and 250ml Glass: Industrial & Scientific

 

[vicsan]

ob, OSDIYS sells the blunt 14 gauge needle ONLY also. Blunt Tip Needle - One Stop DIY Shop Store

Just in case you don't want the syringe too.

 

[the ob]

OB - If you are mixing over about 10ml, the graduated cylinders are very handy. I have a 10ml & 50ml. I usually mix 30 or 60ml. When I need 15 ml I use the 10ml cylinder to measure and then pour into the 50ml. If I need to add 33ml, I just pour it into the 50ml one. I am going to get a 100ml one soon. I use plastic ones but my mixes are all pretty similar. I just rinse them out with hot water.

I use syringes for anything less than 3ml. Drops, I just count.

Way to go getting some stuff mixed. Go ahead and try it, see how you did!!!!

I am afraid to try it

 

[vicsan]

I am afraid to try it

No guts, no glory!

It'll be good. Give it a go. I dare ya.

 

[GoodDog]

Tryyy it, tryyy it, tryyy it!

We're all rooting for you!

 

[the ob]

I literally cannot. I feel like I should wait until tomorrow at least. Maybe let it steep a bit?

I also did 12 of them. Three capellas razzberry, three PA razzberry, three flavourart razzberry, three capellas waffle, three PA belgiun waffle and one other that I cannot think of right now.

They are just sitting right now and waiting. I shook them a few times, let them sit in hot water in a Pyrex dish for a bit too.

I did them all at 5, 10, 15% What do you wanna bet I want 20% instead

I am literally afraid they will all be bad. I am still hoping my pre-mix was right. I am not even sure of that.

I am curious with testing, how does one decide they like a random figure like 7%?

There are literally no words to explain how much I appreciate the patience, help and support. It is truly appreciated. I know I am challenging case.

 

[GoodDog]

If you taste the 5% and it's too weak and the 10% is too strong then you will know it's somewhere in between. Depending on how weak or how strong they are you can pretty much guess which % to test next.

 

[Hoosier]

You can use my flavoring ratio blog to help judge your experiments.

Open it up and start dripping your batches. Start with the cap raspberry at 5% and continue with the other cap rasps.

You'll live through it, I'm sure about that.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

That would be the best and most accurate way of doing it.

Personally If I initially find that a flavor is to weak I just add a bit more flavor and vape for a few minutes with the same atty. Actually in my case I drip into a CE2. It's not as as exact but this way gives me an Idea of what I need to do and at this stage that's all I am looking for. Once I have a good idea of how much flavor to use I will let it it sit a week then do a final test with clean carto. Now if I really like it I make up a larger batch. My way is more of a process than a science. It does get a bit easier as you get more experience.

Just discovered CE2s and the ability to drip in these things is a huge DIY help. Haven't had luck with atomizers yet, I broke one trying to debridge it lol. And de stuffed cartomizers work great for dripping, but for testing they suck up too much flavor into the sock.

The high set coils are really easy to work with! One to two drops at a time, rinse dry burn repeat. Or PG it like Hoosier

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Another thought. For those of us that are .... about this and prefer to make small initial test batches, drops as above may be a better option. At low volumes the amount held in the syringe may really throw things off.

Unless of course you use it 'correctly' e.g. draw up your fluid, change syringes, then inject. But that wastes juice. And even worse, reminds me of giving flu shots to old ladies.

 

[Randyrtx]

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised (unless, of course, you find that you don't like the flavors themselves). The percentages you chose give a good range.

 

[the ob]

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised (unless, of course, you find that you don't like the flavors themselves). The percentages you chose give a good range.

thanks. I am either going to give them a shot this am (if I can get some coffee in me first ) or tonight after they steeped a bit more. I will let you all know!

 

[Traver]

I am literally afraid they will all be bad. I am still hoping my pre-mix was right. I am not even sure of that.

ob, I can almost guarantee that some of them will be bad. Most of the flavors I mix I just don't like. I screw up almost as often as I get it right. I doubt if there is anyone here who doesn't make mistakes at least once in a while.
So what!!! It's no big deal I just do it over.
It's more import to just experiment and enjoy it.

I don't use nicotine anymore. When I did I used to mix up a few hundred ml at a time. With the larger amount it is easier to get it right and you only have to do it a few times a year. My main reason for doing it that was because I have a tendency to mess up when I mix things and the nicotine was the only that mattered.

 

[the ob]

ob, I can almost guarantee that some of them will be bad. Most of the flavors I mix I just don't like. I screw up almost as often as I get it right. I doubt if there is anyone here who doesn't make mistakes at least once in a while.
So what!!! It's no big deal I just do it over.
It's more import to just experiment and enjoy it.

I don't use nicotine anymore. When I did I used to mix up a few hundred ml at a time. With the larger amount it is easier to get it right and you only have to do it a few times a year. My main reason for doing it that was because I have a tendency to mess up when I mix things and the nicotine was the only that mattered.

thanks for the pep talk. I really appreciate it!