I'm sorry, but I gotta do it. What's the point of having a pristine USB port on your mod if you're not gonna use it? How often is firmware updated?
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For future reference when choosing batteries for a regulated mod, choose the battery that will provide the power for the wattage setting you use from the amp rating of the battery.
WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
(Total wattage doubles using 2 batteries; Triples using 3 batteries.)
Up to 45W:
WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
(Total wattage doubles using 2 batteries; Triples using 3 batteries.)
Up to 45W:
Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR
Up to 60W:
Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR
Hohm Life 18650 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HE4 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
Up to 75W:
LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HE4 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR
LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-24S, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
Molicel 18650-P26A, 2600 mah 25 amp CDR
Up to 90W:
LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-24S, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
Molicel 18650-P26A, 2600 mah 25 amp CDR
LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-20S 2000mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-20S 2000mah 30 amp CDR
Might want to get use to other forums because the new member forum is mainly used for introductions and limited general questions and not for chat.
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In the future, you might want to post in the ECF forum most closely representing your subject/question. Suggest posting in :General vaping discussion and chat:
General Vaping Discussion
Often times,you may receive more knowledgeable/germane information from the membership in the above/appropriate forum.
That being said, the information below may help you to obtain a good foundation of vaping knowledge:
Learn About Vaping Here - Everything Ecigs - From Beginner To Advanced
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ECigarette Academy: Essential Need to Know for New Vapers
Beginner Archives - Guide To Vaping
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http://ecigclopedia.com/6-quick-useful-vaping-tips-for-beginners/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...up-the-vaping-ladder-with-egos-and-mods.5058/
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It depends upon the manufacturer and model of the mod you have. If the model was released early before all the "bugs" or glitches were discovered, then firmware upgrades are useful for optimal performance of the mod. For example, I believe the Aegis Legend had a glitch upon release that caused it to drain batteries faster than normal, and the firmware upgrade corrected that glitch.
As I pointed out in the post prior, there are other positives to using a separate external charger. Heat is the enemy to batteries. Charging units can create heat inside of a mod, and if not well ventilated that could decrease the life expectancy of the batteries. There was a study made by FEMA in 2016 that reported that 80% of all battery explosions occured while charging, so this is a critical process in the safe use of batteries for vaping.
E-Cigarette Explosions: Comprehensive List
There have been 50 major incidents this year (2016) alone and that's just the ones which make the news. They also go on to say...
"It is interesting to note that the nature of e-cigarette explosions has changed over the years. The FEMA document cited above suggests that approximately 80 percent of e-cigarette explosions happen during charging."
In the end, the choice is yours to make.
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The temptation to label cells with a nonstandard pulse discharge rating is nearly irresistible when faced with the prospect of losing sales because many consumers don't know any better. If your business won't do it, the competition surely will. The free market is unable to self-regulate in such matters.
On a good (Mooch recommended) 18650 cell you can count on a single battery mod to be fine up to 60W. Once you go past that wattage point you generally need a dual cell mod.
Trust Mooch for his excellent testing methods. If Mooch says it's good for a specific wattage level you can buy it and use it with confidence up to the max wattage and amperage he rates it for. Some manufacturers rate their cells accurately and some inflate the ratings. Mooch has been instrumental in exposing cells that are overrated and some manufacturers are actually posting accurate ratings now because of his work.
Be careful when you insert a battery in your charger. The positive end wrap can get damaged easily and expose the metal if it rubs on the positive contact. Once that happens it possible to short the cell taking it in and out of the charger. Always apply pressure to the cell and hold it away from the charger positive contact to prevent the cell from rubbing when inserting and removing a battery.
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Only partially true. There are models with 25 and 30 amps continuous discharge rate that can put out 75 and 90 watts per cell respectively, but they sacrifice capacity (battery use per charge) to have that power.
Personally, I'd rather carry spare batteries with me for my smaller/lighter single battery mod, than carry a larger/heavier dual or triple battery mod with me all day. So I guess it depends upon your perspective. It's good to have options.
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I thought about that as soon as I posted. There are 18650 cells with higher ratings lately.
I always carry a spare battery box in my vehicle when I'm away from home for more than a few hours. For me, it's all about MAH ratings and vape time with my 10W vaping style.
For future reference when choosing batteries for a regulated mod, choose the battery that will provide the power for the wattage setting you use from the amp rating of the battery.
WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
(Total wattage doubles using 2 batteries; Triples using 3 batteries.)
Up to 45W:
Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15 amp CDRUp to 60W:
Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR
Hohm Life 18650 3000mah 20 amp CDRUp to 75W:
LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HE4 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDRUp to 90W:
LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-24S, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
Molicel 18650-P26A, 2600 mah 25 amp CDR
LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-20S 2000mah 30 amp CDR
This is awesome! Thank you!!! I just picked up 2 LG HG2s. I’ve never vaped higher than 55w so it looks like I’ve got way more battery than I need.
I tend to agree... I have a great looking mod. I am currently looking for a USB cover to put on it. I bought an Efest LUC V4 to charge my batteries, and I do not use the USB port on the mod unless I absolutely have to. Unfortunately, I will have to explain in a long message, so please bear with me.
Balanced charging is important for the lifetime of the batteries. If one battery has less of a charge, then every time it discharges, it will use one more than it will use the other, and one battery will get warmer than the other... that changes the discharge rate of the battery, and when it cools down, the OTHER will have more of a charge.. .it will see-saw back and forth, and the overall result will be that the batteries life will be shorter. It will also shorten the overall life of the battery as well.
The 18650 was not designed to be used as an individual battery. Unlike the lithium Ion batteries in a cell phone, These batteries have NO electronics in them to regulate them. Some do have them, but they limit the charge/discharge power, and down to a level that Ecigs do not use. Electronic cigarettes demand a higher wattage than most devices, so we have to use unregulated batteries. That means that the battery won't stop charging if it is fully charged. It relies on the charger to regulate that and to cut the power used to charge the battery when the battery is full.
Now for the scary part. If you do supply more power, the battery will overcharge, and possibly release a gasses. This is called a thermal runaway, and it happens more often than you think. the "ecigs exploding" on the news has been giving electronic cigarettes a bad rep. Most of the time it is someone using an overpowered charger on one of those EGO batteries, but it does illustrate the necessity to use proper charging techniques on an electronic cigarette or their batteries. The circuitry on a mod is geared more towards the output. I am sure they try to get things right the first time, but with a market so volatile as the electronic cigarettes, new chips are being released every few months.
There have been problems with designs that have popped up. They are constantly upating, changing, and modifying current chips. These chips have to deal with power specs/problems all over the world. The USB is supposed to supply 5v, but there is no official specifications on the Amperage. Add to the fact that power bricks for USBs are rarely what they say they are. You can have a USB power brick that says 2.1a, but it supplies more. I have another one that supplies even more than 2.1a even though it's rated at 2.1a. I cannot be sure how much power I am getting with those USB ports even though the specs are listed on the port itself. Every layer of protection is helpful. That is why I prefer to use an external charger... Efest makes Lithium Ion batteries, so they know the dangers that can occur if they mess things up. Ecigs do as well, but they are space limited. Not to mention you put your Ecig in your pocket, so who knows what kind of pocket lint or debris can get into your USB port.
My advice... get a reputable external charger. If you need more power elsewhere, charge several batteries, and keep the pairs in a protective case and swap them out when you are running low. label the batteries, and keep the batteries paired (AKA "married"). Only use the onboard charger if absolutely necessary, and if you do, always be awake and near the batteries when they are being charged. occasionally feel the warmth of the batteries and see if one battery is getting warmer than the other. ALWAYS keep an eye on the battery wrap. If there are any nicks, holes, or whatever, don't hesitate to replace the wrap.
Out of everything that can be hazardous in an electronic cigarette, the batteries are #1 on the most dangerous list. Don't skimp on that part no matter what you do.
So, I´ve been doing RoC today and ended with 90.750 LP.
Then I relogged one time, and I had 90.630 LP. Where did those 120 LP go? They are important, they can make the difference tomorrow if Im above 90k. Somebody please ? Maybe its normal , I dont know. I know about the reduction of points on Monday but on Sunday? nO.. Thanks
Marco
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Then I relogged one time, and I had 90.630 LP. Where did those 120 LP go? They are important, they can make the difference tomorrow if Im above 90k. Somebody please ? Maybe its normal , I dont know. I know about the reduction of points on Monday but on Sunday? nO.. Thanks
Marco
So, I´ve been doing RoC today and ended with 90.750 LP.
Then I relogged one time, and I had 90.630 LP. Where did those 120 LP go? They are important, they can make the difference tomorrow if Im above 90k. Somebody please ? Maybe its normal , I dont know. I know about the reduction of points on Monday but on Sunday? nO.. Thanks
Marco
Uhm, eh?
If I used a multi-cell mod, I would always charge my batteries in an actual charger.
Right, I understand that. Chargers AND mods have chips to control that. I know people say that mods can't be trusted in that regard, but the truth is that most of them can be trusted for a single cell.
As long as the wall power supply is 5V, I don't think more amps being supplied by the power supply is an issue because the device is what regulates how many amps it gets. I think EGO batteries are more sensitive to that. I'm not an electrician, but I think if someone tried charging their mod with a 9V xA charger would be a big problem, but that would be careless.
Does Efest actually make batteries? I thought they were re-wrapping cells. I know what kind of stuff gets into my USB port because I look at it.
I have a decent charger. It's an Efest Smart Charger.
For a single cell mod, I'm not gonna do that. If I don't need to handle the 18650, I won't. I don't wanna .... up the wrap and my mod's battery door. I mean, it's one or the other. I'm either gonna put wear on my mod's USB port or put wear on my battery wraps and mod battery door.
That's great advice for new vapers with a multi-cell mod. I feel the wall supply and the mod while I charge via the USB port. Also, yea, I would never charge any of these mods overnight. It just isn't necessary.
I agree. That's why I bought a Samsung battery.
You're correct. Efest re-wraps other manufacturer's cells. They could also be contracting China manufacturers to make and wrap their Efest cells for them.
I rarely recommend using Efest batteries, but their chargers are pretty decent, especially the Efest LUC charger line.
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I am a bit more lenient like you with single cell mods. But even so, it's nice not to wait for the battery to charge then cool down before use. Having the battery in the mod itself heats up the battery some... and then using it while still warm lowers the lifetime of the battery. I still charge my single cell batteries in an external charger for thermal reasons, and again, I trust an external charger to be more careful than a mod chip.
the amperage is exactly the problem with the ego batteries. 5v is not a complete measurement of how much power is being used. It's like saying is 8 gallons per minute water flow is enough to pressure wash a house... Well, it is if you have the right nozzle restricting it, but not enough if you use a garden hose without a nozzle. a nozzle that is too narrow will eat through the paint and damage the siding... So.... the right combination is needed to work. Same with electronics. As far as charging with the right voltage, that is true as well. That is why you need the proper charger for the battery. A household NiMH battery typically holds a 1.2v charger... put it in a cheap or dumb lithium ion battery charger which looks for a 4.2v charge for max... and bad things happen. Chargers typically charge a battery until it reaches a specific voltage. For 18650's, that is typically 4.2v. If you had a Samsung icr18650 30b, their max charge is 4.35v...so you'd be undercharging every time. (btw, don't use that battery, it's not good for vaping)
you're right about the Efest.. they don't actually make them, but brand them as Efest.... but... they've been in the battery industry for a while. I don't like them and don't really trust them for batteries, but they do make good battery chargers.
As far as the port.... Physically looking is good, but not an absolute. the pins in a micro USB are quite close together... it wouldn't take much to ruin it. I've had a phone de-soldier the USB port while charging. the only thing I can think of, is something semi-conductive got in the port and warmed the whole port.All my single battery doors are magnetic (Eleaf Aster, Cloupor mini TC+, Smok Guardian III epipe)...come to think of it, all my battery doors are magnetic except for one (Smoant Cylon). Seems like through my experience, magnetic doors seem to last longer than regular "door" types. The other "bonuses" to changing them, is it gives you a chance to keep an eye out on your batteries while replacing them. check the wrap to make sure it didn't get too hot while in the sun, check the contacts make sure they don't have oxidation buildup, check the battery contacts to make sure none got jostled around...just a good idea to physically check them from time to time.
Some of these newer devices really don't make the mod or the battery hot when they charge. This P80 trickle charges after it reads 4.12V. The power supply is barely warm at that point, so I know the P80 isn't requesting a full 1A anymore, and the mod is room temp. I use a 5V 1A supply. I could use a 2A, but I know it'll heat up the mod more.
The only time the mod gets slightly warm while charging is when the battery is between 3.6V and 3.8v - some where around there I guess it's pulling the full 1A. After that, the mod starts askin' for less amperage. To clarify, it's not the entire mod that gets warm. It's the PCB temp reading 106F. The mod never feels warm while charging.
I remember those days.
Yea, their chargers have a good reputation. You make good points about the port.you're right about the Efest.. they don't actually make them, but brand them as Efest.... but... they've been in the battery industry for a while. I don't like them and don't really trust them for batteries, but they do make good battery chargers.
The P80 has a hinge and it wobbles slightly. I'm not sure about the longevity of it. It does close well though. It's secure but not too tight.
Checking the batteries is another good point. I'll be looking at the 30q a couple times a month.
Having more battery than you need is a good strategy. Just to let you know, if you spend a lot of time vaping close to the limits of your batteries, you won't get good performance from them. A higher-rated battery will probably last longer, even if it's listed capacity is a bit lower.
You seem to be picking up a lot of good information, but I'll add a few tips:
- It's been mentioned above, but I'd like to highlight is the importance of checking your battery wraps (the plastic covering) regularly. If there's any damage at all, don't use them! The good news is that it's quite easy to rewrap batteries. A lot of the good battery suppliers also sell wraps, so it would be wise to pick some up the next time you order batteries. You can search the board for rewrapping instructions, or if nothing comes up handily feel free to ask. Someone will have a useful video or seven to point you to.
- Never carry a spare battery loose in your pocket (or anywhere else). A number of people have set their pants on fire (yes, really) when keys or coins or whatever else they were carrying shorted out a battery. Proper battery cases are inexpensive and not too hard to find, so make sure your batteries are in one whenever they're not in your mod or being charged.
- The best places I've found to start learning about batteries are:
- If you prefer videos, Mooch's Battery Basics series
- If you'd rather read, Baditude's Battery Basics post
- If you want more information afterwards, check out Mooch's and Baditude's blogs here on ECF. They're very useful, but they'll make a lot more sense if you're clear on the basics first.
- A good quality charger is essential. A bad one can overcharge and damage your batteries, putting you at risk. I think you mentioned you had an Efest. I think their chargers are usually fine, especially the LUC line, although their SODA charger can overheat if you charge at 1 A. Xtar and Nitecore chargers are also reliable. If you want a longer list or more information, Mooch is testing chargers now so you can check out his blog.
- Charging too fast can heat up your batteries, which causes some damage and ages them faster. The optimal charging rate for the type of 18650s we use for vaping seems to be about 0.5 - 1 A. Charging them slower than 0.5 (I think it's 0.7 A, actually) won't extend their life, while 2 A and over can really shorten it.
I feel more comfortable with using an external charger now and I’m really enjoying the Legend. I have battery covers, but I think I’m just going to bring two mods with me or carry the Legend and the Nord - no extra batteries. So far, the batteries I bought have stayed charged all day which is awesome.
The falcon is a really nice tank to put on the aegis legend. The M2 mesh coil is oustanding for flavor IMO. Vaporesso NRG with mesh coils are right up there with the falcon too. Long coil life as well. I get 3 weeks easy on one.
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