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UPDATE: I was seen by a doctor who said it was probably bacterial in nature and gave me an antibio and steroid script. I'll post in a few days to tell how I'm feeling. Always makes me crazy when people ask questions and then don't follow up with the solution - so I promise - I'll follow up for the benefit of anyone who Googles their way to this thread :)

Didn't know where else to put this, so I put it in general discussion... Sorry, this is going to be a LONG post.

I stopped smoking many years ago. I quit smoking and started vaped for a couple years after that, never had any problems... literally felt great, stopped coughing, vaped for probably a solid 2 years.

Then when the FDA started their over-reaching regulations on the burgeoning industry I panicked - went for a backup plan: Swedish Snus. I don't know how many of you are aware, but Swedish Snus is considered by many to be another "harm reduction" strategy. It isn't nearly as carcinogenic as American chewing tobacco, and definitely not as harmful as analogues. If you care to do your own reading on it, go for it, but that isn't what my post is supposed to be about. Back to the point...

I decided to take up vaping again earlier this month (Oct 5th I believe)... why? I always enjoyed the DIY aspects of it, it is financially more sustainable than ordering Snus from Sweden every month...

For the first week and a half of taking vaping back up, I felt great. Bit more nic than I'm used to from Swedish Snus, but I DIY juice so that's no problem... mix 1.5-2ml/mg juices.

A couple weeks ago I started coughing. At first it was just an irritable cough in the morning. Not a dry cough - there was some "stuff" coming up. But then I'd be OK all day. Since then the problem has become dramatically worse. Spastic uncontrollable coughing fits... having to use albuterol, mucinex... and while those things tame things down a bit, I still have coughing fits whether I'm actively vaping or not. (The cough is still somewhat "productive," but occasionally I get a few breaths that sound "wheezy" like a bronchitis or whatever... but that usually goes away pretty fast.)

So let me lay out ALL of the factors here, and let's see if we can't figure this one out:

Environmental & health factors:
- Haven't smoked for years.
- 36 yo male. Hypertension well under control with meds. Usually read in the 110s/70s with a pulse of around 55 at rest. Nicotine use barely changes my BP, never has (and I've checked! Rigorously!) My blood pressure has improved so much due to other life changes that my doctor has been reducing my BP meds. I did give up coffee because coffee messed with my BP BIG TIME. Not so much with Nic.
- No known pulmonary disease. No history of Asthma. No trouble breathing while exercising. No coronary issues aside from a Ventricular Hypertrophy which is attributable to the Hypertension. Recent ECG demonstrates that this is in "remission"... which is not uncommon when blood pressure is brought under control.
- Recently lost about 27 pounds.
- Ex alcohol addict (don't get me started, I'm just being thorough). I've been completely sober for a month and and two weeks. Liver and Pancreas functions have returned to normal.
- No non-prescription drugs. No marijuana.
- Here in Phoenix AZ, allergy season is at a lowish point right now, so I doubt it is allergies. I take Zyrtec (OTC allergy medication) year round though, and have been since I was in my early 20s.

Vaping gear and setup:
- Mod/batteries (not that it should matter but I'm trying to be thorough): Fuchai Duo-3, tri-married sets of 3 LG HG2s and 2x3 Sony VTC 6.
- Build: Kanthal A1 24x32ga fused clapton from Geek Vape. Always dual coil builds, usually run in the mid 0.1x range. (Current setup ins 0.17, I've built as low as 0.13. I really don't go any lower than that.)
- Koh Gen Do cotton pads. (I'm assuming they're legit? Does anyone counterfeit cotton pads?) Love this stuff because I can roll it up and it holds tons of juice and wicks nicely. Prefer it over Cotton Bacon, though I do have some Cotton Bacon left.
- I remove wicks, dry burn, and rewick once daily. I build new coils approx once every 3-4 days. I never have singed/burnt wicks, almost never get dry hits, and rarely even see discolored cotton beyond the little bit of darkening you expect from using juice with a little bit of color etc.
- Vape in wattage mode since I use Kanthal. Depending on the device, I run between 80W to 95W. For example, my Dead Rabbit is most comfortable at 80W. My Aura is comfortable in the 90s. The Mesh RDA - I can run way higher than that. But I don't like it that much so I haven't really used it much.
- RDAs: I'm not really a fan of top feeding tanks. I can't get them to work. I AM a big fan of RDAs. I've got the Goon 1.5, Digiflavor Aura, Dead Rabbit, Wismec JoyBo RDA, VandyVape Mesh RDA (which I don't use much). Have a few other RDAs from way back but I don't really use them anymore. Want to try Squonking but I'm not spending any more money on gear until I get this cough eliminated!

DIY juices/my ADVs:
As I said above, I DIY my juices. My ADVs are an "astro" style clone and a "halo malibu" style clone. The recipes are as follows. Target is "2%" nic. High concentration nic (100mg) is a small bottle from Kidney Puncher. They shipped me a slightly expired bottle (expired August of this year, but I can't REALLY imagine that's a huge deal so I didn't bother to complain). VG is either from Kidney Puncher or marked "99.7% pure pharmaceutical grade", currently working on a gallon I bought from Essential Depot on Amazon. (Link added so you can see exactly what I have.) All ingredients are stored in refrigerator. Anything that needs to be "warmed" to work with just gets a warm bath, never microwaved, never boiled.

Here's two examples of my ADVs. Amounts listed are for a 30ml bottle. Once again, target nic is ~2%.
Jay's "Malibu" clone
Nicotine juice 100 mg (100% VG): 0.6ml
VG: 24.65ml
Koolada (TFA): 0.15ml
Pina Colada (TFA): 4.5ml
Super Sweet (CAP): 0.1ml (or 2 "drops") (this is a Sucralose based sweetener)
Jay's "Astro" clone
Nicotine juice 100 mg (100% VG): 0.6ml
VG: 21.7ml
Apple (TFA): 2.7ml
Peach (Juicy) (TFA): 2.4ml
Strawberry (Ripe) (TFA): 2.4ml
Cotton Candy (TFA): 0.2ml (this is a methyl maltol based sweetener)
As you can see, aside from the VG and high concentration nic juice, these recipes share no common ingredients... yet my cough continues to get worse no matter which one I use.

Well, that's all I can think of right now. And the forum is breaking on me now. It keeps scrolling way up when I type, so I literally can't see what I am typing right now LOL.

Any and all help will be appreciated. I GOT to get this figured out. Don't really want to go back to Swe Snus!
 
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Didn't know where else to put this, so I put it in general discussion... Sorry, this is going to be a LONG post.

I stopped smoking many years ago. I quit smoking and started vaped for a couple years after that, never had any problems... literally felt great, stopped coughing, vaped for probably a solid 2 years.

Then when the FDA started their over-reaching regulations on the burgeoning industry I panicked - went for a backup plan: Swedish Snus. I don't know how many of you are aware, but Swedish Snus is considered by many to be another "harm reduction" strategy. It isn't nearly as carcinogenic as American chewing tobacco, and definitely not as harmful as analogues. If you care to do your own reading on it, go for it, but that isn't what my post is supposed to be about. Back to the point...

I decided to take up vaping again earlier this month (Oct 5th I believe)... why? I always enjoyed the DIY aspects of it, it is financially more sustainable than ordering Snus from Sweden every month...

For the first week and a half of taking vaping back up, I felt great. Bit more nic than I'm used to from Swedish Snus, but I DIY juice so that's no problem... mix 1.5-2ml/mg juices.

A couple weeks ago I started coughing. At first it was just an irritable cough in the morning. Not a dry cough - there was some "stuff" coming up. But then I'd be OK all day. Since then the problem has become dramatically worse. Spastic uncontrollable coughing fits... having to use albuterol, mucinex... and while those things tame things down a bit, I still have coughing fits whether I'm actively vaping or not. (The cough is still somewhat "productive," but occasionally I get a few breaths that sound "wheezy" like a bronchitis or whatever... but that usually goes away pretty fast.)

So let me lay out ALL of the factors here, and let's see if we can't figure this one out:

Environmental & health factors:
- Haven't smoked for years.
- 36 yo male. Hypertension well under control with meds. Usually read in the 110s/70s with a pulse of around 55 at rest. Nicotine use barely changes my BP, never has (and I've checked! Rigorously!) My blood pressure has improved so much due to other life changes that my doctor has been reducing my BP meds. I did give up coffee because coffee messed with my BP BIG TIME. Not so much with Nic.
- No known pulmonary disease. No history of Asthma. No trouble breathing while exercising. No coronary issues aside from a Ventricular Hypertrophy which is attributable to the Hypertension. Recent ECG demonstrates that this is in "remission"... which is not uncommon when blood pressure is brought under control.
- Recently lost about 27 pounds.
- Ex alcohol addict (don't get me started, I'm just being thorough). I've been completely sober for a month and and two weeks. Liver and Pancreas functions have returned to normal.
- No non-prescription drugs. No ..........
- Here in Phoenix AZ, allergy season is at a lowish point right now, so I doubt it is allergies. I take Zyrtec (OTC allergy medication) year round though, and have been since I was in my early 20s.

Vaping gear and setup:
- Mod/batteries (not that it should matter but I'm trying to be thorough): Fuchai Duo-3, tri-married sets of 3 LG HG2s and 2x3 Sony VTC 6.
- Build: Kanthal A1 24x32ga fused clapton from Geek Vape. Always dual coil builds, usually run in the mid 0.1x range. (Current setup ins 0.17, I've built as low as 0.13. I really don't go any lower than that.)
- Koh Gen Do cotton pads. (I'm assuming they're legit? Does anyone counterfeit cotton pads?) Love this stuff because I can roll it up and it holds tons of juice and wicks nicely. Prefer it over Cotton Bacon, though I do have some Cotton Bacon left.
- Vape in wattage mode since I use Kanthal. Depending on the device, I run between 80W to 95W. For example, my Dead Rabbit is most comfortable at 80W. My Aura is comfortable in the 90s. The Mesh RDA - I can run way higher than that. But I don't like it that much so I haven't really used it much.
- RDAs: I'm not really a fan of top feeding tanks. I can't get them to work. I AM a big fan of RDAs. I've got the Goon 1.5, Digiflavor Aura, Dead Rabbit, Wismec JoyBo RDA, VandyVape Mesh RDA (which I don't use much). Have a few other RDAs from way back but I don't really use them anymore. Want to try Squonking but I'm not spending any more money on gear until I get this cough eliminated!

DIY juices/my ADVs:
As I said above, I DIY my juices. My ADVs are an "astro" style clone and a "halo malibu" style clone. The recipes are as follows. Target is "2%" nic. High concentration nic (100mg) is a small bottle from Kidney Puncher. They shipped me a slightly expired bottle (expired August of this year, but I can't REALLY imagine that's a huge deal so I didn't bother to complain). VG is either from Kidney Puncher or marked "99.7% pure pharmaceutical grade", currently working on a gallon I bought from Essential Depot on Amazon. (Link added so you can see exactly what I have.)

Here's two examples of my ADVs. Amounts listed are for a 30ml bottle. Once again, target nic is ~2%.


As you can see, aside from the VG and high concentration nic juice, these recipes share no common ingredients... yet my cough continues to get worse no matter which one I use.

Well, that's all I can think of right now. And the forum is breaking on me now. It keeps scrolling way up when I type, so I literally can't see what I am typing right now LOL.

Any and all help will be appreciated. I GOT to get this figured out. Don't really want to go back to Swe Snus!

I definitely appreciate that you've been so thorough, but there's a key point missing here involving a physician. The fact that you vaped long term in the past leads me to believe that PG or VG sensitivities may be ruled out (unless your ratios are drastically different than in the past)?

See a doc. Get the lingering question (are you sick?) out of the way.
 

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The recipes are accurate - high VG nic suspension, all-VG filler except for the PG that is in the flavorings. No history of PG allergy. Couldn't tell you if I have a VG allergy, but I can't imagine that would be something I could live with without knowing it. PG allergy seems unlikely since it is in everything from pill-form prescription medications to inhalers.

I haven't had any recent colds. In fact I haven't had a cold in around 2 years (no joke! Germaphobia pays off :))...

I am coughing because of vaping. I am coughing and vaping because I do not want to smoke.
Yikes, that's a bummer...
 
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.... PG or VG sensitivities may be ruled out (unless your ratios are drastically different than in the past)?
I cross referenced the ratios in my "new" recipes with that of my "old" recipes that I had on a spreadsheet. Total percentage of flavoring varies of course, varies with the flavors being used etc. but has stayed steady around 4-7ml of flavorings per 30ml bottle. So my current DIYs shouldn't be significantly different in ratio than they used to be (as best I can tell)...
 

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A couple weeks ago I started coughing. At first it was just an irritable cough in the morning. Not a dry cough - there was some "stuff" coming up. But then I'd be OK all day. Since then the problem has become dramatically worse. Spastic uncontrollable coughing fits... having to use albuterol, mucinex... and while those things tame things down a bit, I still have coughing fits whether I'm actively vaping or not. (The cough is still somewhat "productive," but occasionally I get a few breaths that sound "wheezy" like a bronchitis or whatever... but that usually goes away pretty fast.)

I very strongly suggest that you see a doctor. There may be a reason for your coughing that has nothing to do with vaping whatsoever. Do this first. Promise? Then come back and we'll trouble shoot. Another way to see if it's vaping related is to go back to snus for a couple of days and see if that helps.

Good luck!
 

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I very strongly suggest that you see a doctor. There may be a reason for your coughing that has nothing to do with vaping whatsoever. Do this first. Promise?
Ok, promise! :) I actually have a follow-up already scheduled for Nov 17th... but I'll call first thing in the morning and see if I can get my appointment moved up. Doesn't hurt to rule out any sort of spontaneous bronchitis, pneumonia, adult onset asthma, or even (ugh!) Valley Fever (which is HORRIBLE, I've had that before).
 

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Ok, promise! :) I actually have a follow-up already scheduled for Nov 17th... but I'll call first thing in the morning and see if I can get my appointment moved up. Doesn't hurt to rule out any sort of spontaneous bronchitis, pneumonia, adult onset asthma, or even (ugh!) Valley Fever (which is HORRIBLE, I've had that before).

Right! I'm proud of you! First things first. :thumb:
 

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Fortunately, I have not been sick, not so much as the sniffles, since I quit smoking with vaping almost 3.5 years ago (OlderNDirt knocks on wood.....oops, too late). Then just over a month ago, I came down with what I believe to have been a cold (thanks to the wife who still substitute teaches for 2 school systems, 2 different towns, 5 or 6 different buildings, and any and all classes in all of them....thanks, dear!). I have had a lot of colds over my many years, but none that started out right off the bat with such a bad cough. I never really had that much of the other symptoms of a normal cold, just a never ending cough that never let up through Nitequil, Dayquil, Mucinex, and a few bags of Hall's tablets. I don't remember ever having such a miserable cough. It took a full 3 weeks to finally start getting over it. Maybe had I been able to give up the vaping for a few days (but I did cut back, or should I say I was forced to), it wouldn't have lasted as long.....no way of knowing now.

Because of that, it may just be you caught a bug that will have to run its course. For reasons not worth mentioning, I didn't see my doctor, but you may want to. Or give it that third week and see if it subsides.

ETA: Looks like you are already considering those possibilities, but I'm going to leave my post since it took me so long to type it! :D
 

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how many mls of juice are you going through on a daily basis, just being curious. You are using low nic, low ohm, high wattage setup. Maybe just bringing too much foreign substance into lungs. Have you tried upping the nic and lowering the volume of vapor? again, just being curious...
 

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Spida, please go see a doctor. If you vaped before with no issues it concerns me. You may some sort of sinus infection or something.

Alien, normally this is something you see when you first start vaping. It takes a while for you body to get used to it. Vapor isn't smoke, your body needs to adjust to the difference. If you have been vaping for a while it should have went away. If not, it might just be an issue of too much nicotine, too much PG, or VG or possibly just too strong of a vape. Maybe turn your wattage down some, or if you direct lung vaping possibly try mouth to lung instead. Also certain flavors can this effect on some people. There are some flavors for me that just seem to have too much throat hit and make me cough, I just avoid those.
 

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I cross referenced the ratios in my "new" recipes with that of my "old" recipes that I had on a spreadsheet. Total percentage of flavoring varies of course, varies with the flavors being used etc. but has stayed steady around 4-7ml of flavorings per 30ml bottle. So my current DIYs shouldn't be significantly different in ratio than they used to be (as best I can tell)...

Yeah, kind of figured you wouldn't have suddenly gone drastically different with your mixes as compared to before. Always good to rule that out though, sensitivities to PG and VG are some of the more common irritants for vapers (still uncommon). Always possible to develop sensitivities, but highly unlikely, I would assume.

Anyway, glad you're getting to the doc to look into things further for now. Maybe hold off on vaping for the moment as mentioned. Snus is still a safer alternative, and nothing will be getting into your lungs while this gets figured out.

Good luck to you, I'm truly hopeful this is just some transient illness that will pass.
 
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Yes, see your doc.

I will say, if you vaped many years ago, sometimes things change. If your doc clears you to do it, I'd try a lower VG mix (some folks find that too high VG makes their lungs feel "heavy" or congested. Coughing can sometimes be a part of it. I'd also suggest vaping unflavored for a bit, and yes, lowering resistance and inhaling less vapor per puff, and possibly a higher nic level (some folks find they don't need that though, just a bit of dialing back their vape.) I know you vaped successfully before but sometimes our bodies and sensitivities change.

I would not try ANY of the above without consulting with your doctor, first. And if you feel the need to smoke and don't have snus, you can google where you can purchase it in a location near you (we have several distributors in our town) and use that until you see the doctor, it's worth doing to avoid picking up cigarettes again.

And, if your doc declares you unable to vape, I personally would consider continuing snus rather than resuming smoking, seriously.

Good luck, I hope you get this resolved.

Anna
 

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Yeah, I definitely won't go back to smoking. Doc's office opens in a couple hours. If I can't get a fast appointment with my usual general doc, I'll drop by urgent care clinic and have them listen to my lungs etc. I've noticed that when I cough I have this weird taste in the throat/back of my mouth. That plus the wheezy feeling makes me think bronchitis/bacterial infection of some sort.

Either way, I'm not a doctor nor do I play one on TV. I'll be on my way to some doctor or another some time today.

I'll keep ya'll 'posted' :p
 

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I tried vaping 100% VG and it gave me coughing fits and felt like I had an elephant sitting on my chest when I'd try to breathe! Wheezing and all! I had to lower my VG to 60-65% and all"s well now, even at 70% I was getting that heavy chest wheezing feeling. Try making one of your mixes 60-65% VG and see if it still gives you the same problems.

I know it solved all mine!
 
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