Hey Provarians, I could manage to cut down to two models of devices now.

[The Ocelot]

I have a lot of clearos too... my favorite being the iclear16. BUT... the Aspire ET-S blows it out of the water, WITH glass tank, WITH stainless protector of glass tank making it much more portable... tho bigger. The bigger means it holds more juice too.

BUT... if we are looking for a unit that will fit inside a credit card (er... WHY? You can sneak any e-cig on a plane, so not sure who else you'd need to hide it from)... can't help, because I wouldn't want it... what for??

I think maybe because I'm fine with BIG. The only point of small is to have more backups.

He wants to chomp one in his teeth when he rides his bike.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I have a lot of clearos too... my favorite being the iclear16. BUT... the Aspire ET-S blows it out of the water, WITH glass tank, WITH stainless protector of glass tank making it much more portable... tho bigger. The bigger means it holds more juice too.

BUT... if we are looking for a unit that will fit inside a credit card (er... WHY? You can sneak any e-cig on a plane, so not sure who else you'd need to hide it from)... can't help, because I wouldn't want it... what for??

I think maybe because I'm fine with BIG. The only point of small is to have more backups.

Sudden deceleration makes holding a heavier larger device with your teeth difficult. I tried medium sized devices for hands free use when I want to be using both hands. It works but is tiring and hard when you are getting jostled around. I really thought the medium sized devices would work for that but experience has shown me that the weight is too far forward. Manual labor around the place does not take as long and a medium sized device works but a small one is easier of it is going to take awhile. I also climb, run, bike, and burn a huge number of calories. Working roundup will be easier with a small device as well.

Medium sized is nice to have but a small one is so much easier and less tiring.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

What really got me to start searching hard was I started smoking analogs again when I did physical activities and cardio is important to me. I have been spoiled by using good stuff like a Provari and the entry level cigalkes were not enough to keep me from smoking. I was not looking for something to replace Provari but something that could keep me away from analogs while being active.

Most of what I was finding was for stealth or shaped for ease of carry but not really for hands free usage.

I had to also learn techniques for vapeing hands free as well. I started out holding with my front teeth, I ended up either coming close to swallowing one or it flew out of my mouth, it was also tiring and hard to draw one.

I later tried the lip hold, less chance of almost choking on it but it goes flying even easier. I found carrying it in the side of my mouth gripped by molars is easier and less tiring. The next thing I had to learn was how to draw while going hands free. You have to draw a bit different when doing this. It is draw into the mouth first, open lips slightly then inhale, then breath but in a different rhythm when when using your hands.

It sounds funny but try taking five or six drags hands free the same as you would when using your hands and you will find it does not work so well. It has a different feel and pattern to it. I think it is because you normally remove the ecig from your mouth before you inhale.

I also learned that a long cartomizer is nice but a long ecig is not nice. A long cartomizer makes it easier to grip and does not add to length and weight out in front of you.

 

[The Ocelot]

Sudden deceleration makes holding a heavier larger device with your teeth difficult. I tried medium sized devices for hands free use when I want to be using both hands. It works but is tiring and hard when you are getting jostled around. I really thought the medium sized devices would work for that but experience has shown me that the weight is too far forward. Manual labor around the place does not take as long and a medium sized device works but a small one is easier of it is going to take awhile. I also climb, run, bike, and burn a huge number of calories. Working roundup will be easier with a small device as well.

Medium sized is nice to have but a small one is so much easier and less tiring.

Henceforth ye shall be known as Sir JJOOHHNN of Goldilocks.​

 

[glassgal]

What really got me to start searching hard was I started smoking analogs again when I did things physical activities and cardio is important to me. I have been spoiled by using good stuff like a Provari and the entry level cigalkes were not enough to keep me from smoking. I was not looking for something to replace Provari but something that could keep me away from analogs while being active.

Aha!!! I get it now. Hands free! You are absolutely right, none of mine would work well for hands free...

But the Bloogs do... I just tried it.

That said, I've NEVER managed to smoke while my hands were occupied for long... because the smoke then gets in your eyes to obscure whatever you are doing. You still remove the cigarette from your mouth to be able to see... so smoking isn't really hands free anyway.

You could easily hang any of the medium sized off a lanyard from your neck... then, you could run around hands free, and only pull it up to drag on when you wanted a smoke while running, climbing, etc. And dropping it wouldn't be an issue either.

 

[The Ocelot]

Aha!!! I get it now. Hands free! You are absolutely right, none of mine would work well for hands free...

But the Bloogs do... I just tried it.

That said, I've NEVER managed to smoke while my hands were occupied for long... because the smoke then gets in your eyes to obscure whatever you are doing. You still remove the cigarette from your mouth to be able to see... so smoking isn't really hands free anyway.

You could easily hang any of the medium sized off a lanyard from your neck... then, you could run around hands free, and only pull it up to drag on when you wanted a smoke while running, climbing, etc. And dropping it wouldn't be an issue either.

Lol! We've been down this road too. Rocketpunk and I both independently came up with designs for a glove that could hold a battery across the back of your hand, so you could just lift your hand up very briefly to take a drag.

I could never hold a cigarette close to my face for long either or my eyes would burn. It's so lovely that vapor doesn't make my eyes sting.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Haven't you seen people puffing away on a cigarette hands free?

 

[The Ocelot]

Haven't you seen people puffing away on a cigarette hands free?

Of course, but I was never been able to do it. The smoke would sting my eyes and make them water.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Aha!!! I get it now. Hands free! You are absolutely right, none of mine would work well for hands free...

But the Bloogs do... I just tried it.

That said, I've NEVER managed to smoke while my hands were occupied for long... because the smoke then gets in your eyes to obscure whatever you are doing. You still remove the cigarette from your mouth to be able to see... so smoking isn't really hands free anyway.

You could easily hang any of the medium sized off a lanyard from your neck... then, you could run around hands free, and only pull it up to drag on when you wanted a smoke while running, climbing, etc. And dropping it wouldn't be an issue either.

I might be too spolied by higher performance vaping devices. I got my first Provari after not being out here so long. I later found my self smoking again and started the cigalike to supplement the Provari but it was not satisfying. I went down the road to medium sized devices and thought that would work, well it kind of worked but was too hard at times. I then started looking for a higher performance cigalike and that was really hard to find but it turns out that has been around since Feb 2012. It just took time to realize it was there.

The 3.7v devices at standard resistance didn't do it for me unless the ohms went too low and still was not enough for me but I was getting in dangerous territory. The Bloog batteries as well as most others in that class cannot carry the amps required for the vape I wanted at 3.7 volts. The batteries I just got are able to sustain 4v for quite a while for such a small package and have a good safety margin in the C rating they have.

There are quite impressive for their size but also expensive but not near as expensive as the search.

They are not a Provari by any means but they feel like to me they are hitting more like an eGo twist then they are like a cigalike. Actually by playing with the ohms they can hit harder since they have a higher amp limit.

What I found frustrating in this search people would send me to devices that were performing less than what I had already found rather than more. I finally figured out this search was about the numbers so I started thinking that way. I found out there were four different internal designs and chemistries of the KR808D-1 and tried to find out if the best performing one was available in 510 and could not find such an animal. I have only found 1 so far in the top performing version in KR808D-1.

The second best I have tried was a 3.7 regulated 510 but I was dipping into dangerous amp territory to get it to work and it still is not working as well as the new batteries. At safe amps it was still performing better than the things being suggested but the new batteries on kicking the but out of my trail and error testing.

 

[glassgal]

Are you talking about the Vapor Diamond King, like these from this site: https://www.vapor4life.com/original-vapor-king-ultimate-starter-kit

They look identical to Bloogs... at less than 1/2 the price I paid to start (Ultimate Vapor King $69, Ultimate Bloog kit $104... and then you have to get extra cartridges, batteries etc). But, I'm grateful to Bloogs, because without them, I would never have quit smoking, would never have found vaping or Provari. I think they're the same thing as Bloog... which for a teeny little cigalike packs quite a nicotine/flavor punch.

When I first tried to quit, the resemblance to a cig and taste similarity really mattered to me. it wasn't til I was used to the idea of e-cigs that I was even able to branch out to juices and batteries, so I totally see your point.

I can't say they hit like Ego-twists... they are a much drier vapor that really is more smoke-like. In just trying it again now, it reminded me of cigarettes so much that I almost wanted a cigarette.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Are you talking about the Vapor Diamond King, like these from this site: https://www.vapor4life.com/original-vapor-king-ultimate-starter-kit

They look identical to Bloogs... at less than 1/2 the price I paid to start (Ultimate Vapor King $69, Ultimate Bloog kit $104... and then you have to get extra cartridges, batteries etc). But, I'm grateful to Bloogs, because without them, I would never have quit smoking, would never have found vaping or Provari. I think they're the same thing as Bloog... which for a teeny little cigalike packs quite a nicotine/flavor punch.

When I first tried to quit, the resemblance to a cig and taste similarity really mattered to me. it wasn't til I was used to the idea of e-cigs that I was even able to branch out to juices and batteries, so I totally see your point.

I can't say they hit like Ego-twists... they are a much drier vapor that really is more smoke-like. In just trying it again now, it reminded me of cigarettes so much that I almost wanted a cigarette.

They look identical but the chemistry and internal design are different. The Bloog are not high drain, cannot carry the same amp load, or maintain the same voltage. I don't know if anyone else had a high drain battery in a cigalike but they are not one of them. I can only five one so far.

It is the same reason why only some batteries are recommended for a Provari or only some batteries are recommended for low ohm mech mods. In the 18650s there are all over the place on what the various C values are.

There are some batteries called 2nd generation batteries but it turns out they cannot carry the same amount of amps so they had to regulated those batteries to keep them from being over driven.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Are you talking about the Vapor Diamond King, like these from this site: https://www.vapor4life.com/original-vapor-king-ultimate-starter-kit

They look identical to Bloogs... at less than 1/2 the price I paid to start (Ultimate Vapor King $69, Ultimate Bloog kit $104... and then you have to get extra cartridges, batteries etc). But, I'm grateful to Bloogs, because without them, I would never have quit smoking, would never have found vaping or Provari. I think they're the same thing as Bloog... which for a teeny little cigalike packs quite a nicotine/flavor punch.

When I first tried to quit, the resemblance to a cig and taste similarity really mattered to me. it wasn't til I was used to the idea of e-cigs that I was even able to branch out to juices and batteries, so I totally see your point.

I can't say they hit like Ego-twists... they are a much drier vapor that really is more smoke-like. In just trying it again now, it reminded me of cigarettes so much that I almost wanted a cigarette.

I also have the same companies cheaper batteries that have a nominal voltage of 3.7v that come off the charger at 4.2 and end at 3.2. They drop to 3.7 rather fast. The expensive batteries have a nominal voltage of 3.96 and can maintain better than 4v under load which is higher then just carrying 4v and can sustain it for an hour at 2.3 ohms. I have not seen anything this small that can do that.

It is not just the volts but the ohms.

The body of the cheaper and more expensive one look the same externally. I think several companies are using the same bodies but internally there is a difference, I was able to see the difference in using them as well.

 

[glassgal]

Interesting! I don't know anything about the internals (and I don't want to!! LOL!). I gauge by how well something works for me and that's it. You are definitely on a fascinating journey tho. Let us know when you find it!!

 

[The Ocelot]

 

[dedi]

Still following this JJ!!!!

 

[Big Orange Country]

Sudden deceleration makes holding a heavier larger device with your teeth difficult. I tried medium sized devices for hands free use when I want to be using both hands. It works but is tiring and hard when you are getting jostled around. I really thought the medium sized devices would work for that but experience has shown me that the weight is too far forward. Manual labor around the place does not take as long and a medium sized device works but a small one is easier of it is going to take awhile. I also climb, run, bike, and burn a huge number of calories. Working roundup will be easier with a small device as well.

Medium sized is nice to have but a small one is so much easier and less tiring.

Sounds like to me what you need is a very small custom box mod (maybe the size of an ohm meter box) that you can strap to your arm that has a long tube on it like a camelbak and activates on draw instead of a mechanical button.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Sounds like to me what you need is a very small custom box mod (maybe the size of an ohm meter box) that you can strap to your arm that has a long tube on it like a camelbak and activates on draw instead of a mechanical button.

Someone would have to design and build that. Pressure on the tube is going to have to activate the firing switch. I did try the tube on some automatic tube set ups, it was one of those things that sounded better on paper then in practice. With a straight stick you can tell where the end is, the tube you have to bob your head around and divert your eyes to find the end of the tube.

The short cigalikes with a long cartomizers have worked form factor wise from the start except for lack of punch. I can carry a short cigalike in my mouth a lot longer than the battery life or fluid will hold out.

The lack of punch part is solved now.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Still following this JJ!!!!

Your suggestion was the absolute best I ever got on this niche.

It is working better than I thought it would.

 

[Nermal]

Keep after it, JJOOHHNN. This is where progress comes from.

 

[dedi]

Your suggestion was the absolute best I ever got on this niche.

It is working better than I thought it would.

Yeah, so glad to hear