HOHM Wrecker 151W TC ?
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So same format board, likely the same board in a new suit.
I was right about liquid on the coil, that the update is primarily geared for kanthal, and that Phil would do an update.
I should go buy a powerball ticket
Really though, it was good that Phil had Ben come and explain but he just said the same thing he has always said and the hurricane still failed to do TC. So not much new information, at least Phil admitted that temperature "guessing" was working on prebuilt coils for him.
What I really learned from that video is either Phil has a huge head or Ben's head is tiny.
*edit*
I did learn something. You can exit the menu by holding the same buttons that enter the menu.
I was right about liquid on the coil, that the update is primarily geared for kanthal, and that Phil would do an update.
I should go buy a powerball ticket
Really though, it was good that Phil had Ben come and explain but he just said the same thing he has always said and the hurricane still failed to do TC. So not much new information, at least Phil admitted that temperature "guessing" was working on prebuilt coils for him.
What I really learned from that video is either Phil has a huge head or Ben's head is tiny.
*edit*
I did learn something. You can exit the menu by holding the same buttons that enter the menu.
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LOL, The funny thing to me is, my Hurricane worked right off the bat. They never came out and said what the wicking issue was that was causing the problem.
this chip is just too much of a hassle to use. trying to get it to stay put in terms of 'parameters' of a kanthal build, constantly readjusting the fsk, is just not worth it (to me). the more and more i play with this board, the more i realize they rushed this out the door too fast and too many people are stuck with this........kinda sorta, maybe, most or some of the time.......device. maybe this future firmware update in the next week will sway my opinion, who knows. using a premade kanthal head works pretty good. my guess is the non res, res, non res setup of a premade coil is helping.
i wish phil left the 'hurricane fail' in the video. i would of liked to see what exactly was happening.
i just won an adt 210 from from a contest on youtube. i'm gonna try and cram the hohm board into it since it's the same layout. cause the adt 210 board likes to freeze after x amount of time. i dunno where im gonna stick the 4th button tho.
has anyone got this to stay behaved when tc' ing kanthal, after being left alone and picked back up for a bit?
i wish phil left the 'hurricane fail' in the video. i would of liked to see what exactly was happening.
i just won an adt 210 from from a contest on youtube. i'm gonna try and cram the hohm board into it since it's the same layout. cause the adt 210 board likes to freeze after x amount of time. i dunno where im gonna stick the 4th button tho.
has anyone got this to stay behaved when tc' ing kanthal, after being left alone and picked back up for a bit?
I have several attys that is all they do is MTL like the Rose V2 and Kaiser which I tried on the G2. But when I can do DTL with good flavor that's what I prefer. As far as the Hurricane, I wouldn't call it DTL like the VCMTs but not as restrictive as typical MTLs. Still I call the Hurricane a MTL. So after trying it with strictly MTL and DTL attys and those in between I still find myself diddling with the settings every time I pick it up. But I can get it to limit.
I too wish they would have shown what the wicking issue was.
Not I. Every time I pick it up I'm diddling with the settings. Though I've gotten to the point I just leave the FSK on 52% and then adjust the temperature only. One time I'll pick it up and it will vape at 380 the next time it wont start until 480. And then once I get the temperature just set where it will vape, I end up having to lower it 10 degrees. If the watts are set high then the difference in vape experience over 10 degrees is large. So adjusting the watts down helps that. But that doesn't fix the instability as Ben calls it or inaccuracy as I call it. It just isn't repeatable. But with fiddling it will limit. Can't call it control yet.
I debated posting this video. If its bad, I'll take it down.
I just finished watching the video. I'm not sure they are going to like it, but I thought it was honest and what needed to be said. If they just want people saying it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and not being honest, then they won't like it. To me, then you would lose all credibility if you did that. Glad you brought up the battery as well. If they want to be looked at as a credible company, they need to not over promise and under deliver. There are too many of us that know that's BS without even testing it!
Cheers,
Steve
That's right. Thanks for letting me know. I know its repetitive and a little bit preachy was just hoping not overly so.
FYI....This is Thomas from the YT videos! I thought i'd pop on in for some further discussion on the G2. Looks like I have a lot of reading in order to catch up! Good 6th video BTW. I also think Hohm Tech has some work to do, but are headed in the right direction. I get the point that working on another mod right now is troublesome as they still have work to do in the firmware.
Having said that, I have not touched any of my DNA or SX devices since getting my G2 wreckers. I like the fact that I can Temp Limit my Clapton builds. Using a DNA (as good as it is), actually overpowers the coils after they heat up. You need that higher wattage for preheat, then its overkill after that. So for Kanthal, SX mini boards and G2 are better performers for my style of vaping.
I also recommend this video in regard to the Hohm Tech batteries. Gives a short history of how these batteries came to be. Also some info in the comments section worth looking at!
Two things about those batteries/video
1. Did he say those are $20 each? My Samsung 25R's were 4 for $15. I just looked and without a coupon they are still only 4 for $16 shipped.
2. As far as I'm concerned batteries should only be marketed/sold by their CDR not their pulse rating. Anything else is misleading at best imo.
I've seen some say 25R's are safe to pulse up to 100 amps, so should we call them 100 amp batteries? Obviously the answer is NO. They are 20 amp batteries and should be sold/marketed as such!
Cheers,
Steve
1. Did he say those are $20 each? My Samsung 25R's were 4 for $15. I just looked and without a coupon they are still only 4 for $16 shipped.
2. As far as I'm concerned batteries should only be marketed/sold by their CDR not their pulse rating. Anything else is misleading at best imo.
I've seen some say 25R's are safe to pulse up to 100 amps, so should we call them 100 amp batteries? Obviously the answer is NO. They are 20 amp batteries and should be sold/marketed as such!
Cheers,
Steve
100% agree with the pulse rating. Should be advertised/labeled using the 20 A continuous rating!! As for the price I believe they are two for 20. I personally use the brown LG's and Sony's. Both fine performers and reasonably priced
I've heard good things about both the LG's and Sony's but in the end my 25R's are solid batteries that have never let me down. Not saying they are the absolute best, but they are a solid choice. I missed the part about the pricing for being for 2. Thanks for clarifying.
Cheers,
Steve
touching on what you said in your video, ( i gave you a thumbs up because you're right, they need to get this right before moving on), the components on the board are honestly, and i could be wrong, plain vanilla ic's. LDO'S, FET'S, ceramic/electrolytic caps, resistors, silicon switching diodes, a couple OP amps etc. so maybe they're using a really good, new to the market MCU???? i dunno, i wish i had good high res pics of the gen 1 board to compare with the gen 2 board.
keep posting those vids. 350
@AtmizrOpin I think the new device will likely be the same board in a new suit.
I am relatively sure the hohm wrecker and the g2 aren't using the same board, I could be wrong but the specs are different.
@350ZMO I have been busy all day and haven't gotten to watch your last video, will comment when I get time to watch. Thanks for your continued support.
I am relatively sure the hohm wrecker and the g2 aren't using the same board, I could be wrong but the specs are different.
@350ZMO I have been busy all day and haven't gotten to watch your last video, will comment when I get time to watch. Thanks for your continued support.
Nice info 2coils.
Thanks all for the comments folks. I'm not a reviewer. I have no intentions of being one. Phil does great for that. Vaping is one of my biggest personal interests so I just try to help. Because I care. I just don't want my videos to come off as anything else.
BTW, I have tested some ceramic coils, most recently the Krixus and the G2 likes it at XXX=32% and the DNA with TCR@.0034.
There are entire threads here on ECF about nothing but battery knowledge and testing. I have many different ones myself, 18350, 18650, 26650 including OEM and rewrap/private labels. I have not done my own tests because frankly there is no reason to, Mooch does a great job.
I'm not saying the HT batteries aren't good batteries, they are good batteries just like the ones they are based on. HT does a good job with this information:
"These are rated by Indonesia Chemistry at 2531mAh, with a pulse & peak rate of 40.6A, and a CC of 21.5A within normal operating temperatures...Battery venting and safety was top priority. To elaborate: 1) modified cathode tag consisting of higher purity aluminum, 2) updated poly seal, 3) enhanced PTC ring (enhanced PTC ring has a greater multiplier of resistance when triggered for safety)...Based off the LG HE2 chemistry foundation, manganese inert compound replaced with additional proprietary levels of cobalt & nickel to achieve unprecedented levels of CC & mAh combination. HE2 chemistry consists of NMC already, but adjusting NMC ratios was key to acheiving recorded levels.
**NOTICE: Hohm Tech themselves do not manufacture batteries. These are licensed and made specific to the collaborated efforts of LG, Indonesia Chemistry, and Hohm Tech.
**CAN BE CHARGED AT 4.25A (this is NOT a misprint, 4.25 as in FOUR POINT TWO FIVE amp charging is possible, tested, proven, and approved within all strict safety protocols set by Indonesia Chemistry. Charging at this energy rate does impede overall battery life."
So I give them kudos for stating all that and working with the battery manufacturer on the chemistry. That's great it really is. It takes a lot to do that and I don't see anybody else doing that including me. So I always dislike comments by those who don't get out there, take the arrows in the back and do something themselves. It's easy to armchair quarterback when you take none of the risk and have none of the skills. My comments aren't about that. I'm trying to help from a consumer perspective. Throwing the pulse on a label without the continuous is typical marketing and to most of the vaping community a joke so they do themselves a disservice and I believe without knowing it. It's obvious they have good people with good knowledge and Ben is proud of that as he should be. What they may not know is how savvy the market is. If Ben can take this as constructive criticism then that will be good. Good for him, the company and all of us vapers. I think they have a lot to offer. And as an avid vaper, I'll take all they and everyone else can offer. I want to see them succeed, I want new tech, I want Kanthal temp control, I love vaping. It's pretty simple. Things like 40.6 and 21.5. What, trying to be Vulcan, live long and prosper? Seriously .6 and 1.5 is within 10%. We call that margin. Want to build a great company image in a savvy market. Under market, leave margin, get a rep for your products always over performing what you market them as and watch what happens.
The batteries are $17.99 for a two pack currently which given what they are I think is fair. LG HE2's go for that and more at some vape shops although you can find them at imrbatteries for $11 a pair. So I don't overlook what they really are just because of marketing. They are good 20A LG based cells as tested by Mooch for $9 a piece. Are they that much better than the LGs at imrbatteries for $5.50 or $6 a piece? Well that's up to everyone to determine for themselves. As for me, yes I wanted HT batteries in the HT G2 knowing I was going to test it.
Thanks all for the comments folks. I'm not a reviewer. I have no intentions of being one. Phil does great for that. Vaping is one of my biggest personal interests so I just try to help. Because I care. I just don't want my videos to come off as anything else.
BTW, I have tested some ceramic coils, most recently the Krixus and the G2 likes it at XXX=32% and the DNA with TCR@.0034.
There are entire threads here on ECF about nothing but battery knowledge and testing. I have many different ones myself, 18350, 18650, 26650 including OEM and rewrap/private labels. I have not done my own tests because frankly there is no reason to, Mooch does a great job.
I'm not saying the HT batteries aren't good batteries, they are good batteries just like the ones they are based on. HT does a good job with this information:
"These are rated by Indonesia Chemistry at 2531mAh, with a pulse & peak rate of 40.6A, and a CC of 21.5A within normal operating temperatures...Battery venting and safety was top priority. To elaborate: 1) modified cathode tag consisting of higher purity aluminum, 2) updated poly seal, 3) enhanced PTC ring (enhanced PTC ring has a greater multiplier of resistance when triggered for safety)...Based off the LG HE2 chemistry foundation, manganese inert compound replaced with additional proprietary levels of cobalt & nickel to achieve unprecedented levels of CC & mAh combination. HE2 chemistry consists of NMC already, but adjusting NMC ratios was key to acheiving recorded levels.
**NOTICE: Hohm Tech themselves do not manufacture batteries. These are licensed and made specific to the collaborated efforts of LG, Indonesia Chemistry, and Hohm Tech.
**CAN BE CHARGED AT 4.25A (this is NOT a misprint, 4.25 as in FOUR POINT TWO FIVE amp charging is possible, tested, proven, and approved within all strict safety protocols set by Indonesia Chemistry. Charging at this energy rate does impede overall battery life."
So I give them kudos for stating all that and working with the battery manufacturer on the chemistry. That's great it really is. It takes a lot to do that and I don't see anybody else doing that including me. So I always dislike comments by those who don't get out there, take the arrows in the back and do something themselves. It's easy to armchair quarterback when you take none of the risk and have none of the skills. My comments aren't about that. I'm trying to help from a consumer perspective. Throwing the pulse on a label without the continuous is typical marketing and to most of the vaping community a joke so they do themselves a disservice and I believe without knowing it. It's obvious they have good people with good knowledge and Ben is proud of that as he should be. What they may not know is how savvy the market is. If Ben can take this as constructive criticism then that will be good. Good for him, the company and all of us vapers. I think they have a lot to offer. And as an avid vaper, I'll take all they and everyone else can offer. I want to see them succeed, I want new tech, I want Kanthal temp control, I love vaping. It's pretty simple. Things like 40.6 and 21.5. What, trying to be Vulcan, live long and prosper? Seriously .6 and 1.5 is within 10%. We call that margin. Want to build a great company image in a savvy market. Under market, leave margin, get a rep for your products always over performing what you market them as and watch what happens.
The batteries are $17.99 for a two pack currently which given what they are I think is fair. LG HE2's go for that and more at some vape shops although you can find them at imrbatteries for $11 a pair. So I don't overlook what they really are just because of marketing. They are good 20A LG based cells as tested by Mooch for $9 a piece. Are they that much better than the LGs at imrbatteries for $5.50 or $6 a piece? Well that's up to everyone to determine for themselves. As for me, yes I wanted HT batteries in the HT G2 knowing I was going to test it.
Specs seem identical. Anyone got a good pic of the G2 board on hand to compare?
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