They changed the porn naming in the previous update.Does the Hohm Slice have modes that weren't named by a horny 14 yr old? That'd be a big improvement over the Hohm Wrecker, right there.
HOHM Wrecker 151W TC ?
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Oh, good. I hope they also fired whoever came up with that juvenile crap. The Slice does intrigue me. I look forward to reviews, and need to learn more about the pros/cons of one 26650 vs dual 18650's in a mediumish mod. At this point; I'm pretty sure my next purchase will be a SXMini Q Class. I need to save up mah vape budget.
I really dig the SXMini Q but I just couldn't pay $200 for a device with a zinc shell. I mean it was so light and cheap feeling they had to add weight to it.
Broken down you're paying like $110 for a zinc shell (with stainless buttons), $20 for wiring and 510, and $70 for the board. It should be all stainless or machined from billet aluminum at that price IMO.
This is me personally, you know this already and are perfectly willing and will be happy with it I'm sure.
Broken down you're paying like $110 for a zinc shell (with stainless buttons), $20 for wiring and 510, and $70 for the board. It should be all stainless or machined from billet aluminum at that price IMO.
This is me personally, you know this already and are perfectly willing and will be happy with it I'm sure.
You make some good points. I'll definitely wait for a review from pbusardo and/or DJLsb Vapes, (so I can see how the board actually performs, and the quality of the internal construction/wiring), before making a final decision. The device looks so sexy though, especially in blue.
Two 18650s will be able to handle more current, and will give you more battery runtime. 18650s are generally better batteries, and will remain so as they are used in many more applications. I don't really get the recent 26650 trend (well, I guess I do, but I'm sure it'll blow over as quickly as the 26650 trend for mechs some time ago). And as 26650s can't handle more current than 18650s these new mods really shouldn't be 100w-capable.
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Only if the two were in parallel otherwise in series like the G2 is limited to the current of a single battery. 26650s are 25A capable and generally have more capacity CDR for CDR.
Read this page with latest (3/26/16) recs based on testing from @Mooch.
Read this page with latest (3/26/16) recs based on testing from @Mooch.
I have kind of a silly question. Why would the original Wrecker be $180 and $200 while the G2 is $130 and $135 and the slice only $60 and $70?
Parallel or series doesn't matter in a regulated setup. A series mod will have more voltage available, which is traded for amps.
Watts (+10% for device inefficiency) / cutoff voltage = amp
Examples:
Parallel, two batteries:
64 / 3.2v = 20 amps. Divided between the two batteries so 10 amps per battery
Series, two batteries:
64 / 6.4v = 10 amps. Per battery.
The same amp draw.
Check Pbusardo's review of the VF Stout. There's a reason why the Sony vtc4 can reach higher watts than all but one of the 26650s he tests.
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I like 26650 because it gives you the capability to use both 18650 and 26650, there will eventually be good 26650s I'm guessing.
I think they were trying to place themselves in the high end market but it failed since they were an unknown.
I consider the G2 middle of the road and the price reflects this. I consider the slice lower end and the price reflects that. I think Hohm Tech is doing a good job with pricing now.
So, what chip/board will the Slice use? Same as the G2 or a new/different one?
I'd get one and use an adapter for my 18650s. Not going to start a new battery collection.
I'd get one and use an adapter for my 18650s. Not going to start a new battery collection.
I don't know if I want to buy devices counting on "eventual" improvement of the batts they use. 26650's don't seem to be receiving the same R&D that 18650's are, and now the latter are superior power sources for their size. Unless the 26650 becomes a more popular power source for other devices, this probably won't change. I think people are disinclined, (therefore industry is disinclined), to use such big, fat batteries, and I sympathize with that.
So, I'll be stickin to 18650's until after improvement to 26650's actually occurs, if it ever does.
Ymmv.
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True. And the only real reason (in this day and age) I see for a single-battery mod is size, and 26650s defeat that purpose.
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I'm not arguing 26650s are great, I will likely use 18650s in the device assuming no battery rattle.
I'm saying an 18650 device can't use 26650 batteries, but on the chance 26650 technology improves I will have a device that can use them and 18650s.
I'm saying an 18650 device can't use 26650 batteries, but on the chance 26650 technology improves I will have a device that can use them and 18650s.
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Your first post "Two 18650s will be able to handle more current" is what I was referring to.
Two 20A CDR batteries in parallel would deliver 40A CDR where as in series only 20A CDR.
While your examples are correct I disagree with "Parallel or series doesn't matter in a regulated setup". There is more to the story and more examples.
Example 1: two cells in series: 7.4V supply drawing 10A - delivered to atty: 7.4V at .1ohm and 10A is 74W
Example 2: one cell 3.7V supply drawing 20A to Boost to 7.4V - delivered to atty: 7.4V at .1ohm and 10A is 74W
With example 2 the run time is halved assuming same maH ratings, but 26650s have more capacity which is a reason to go with 26650 versus 18650 for a single cell mod with boost ie Slice.
Also Example 1 can use two 10A CDR batteries. Example two would need a single 20A CDR battery.
Example 3 (0.1ohm atty): At 101W, the current would be 31.76A, and 3.18V at atty. There are no 31.76A CDR 18650s or 26650s so in dual series mods like the G2, it can't get 101W CDR @0.1ohm.
Example 4 (0.1ohm atty): However, there are plenty of 18650s and 26650s that will supply more than half 31.76A CDR or 15.88A, as in two 20A CDR in parallel. So a dual 20A CDR parallel mod with buck down from 3.7V to 3.18V can get to 101W CDR.
Yes I too am ignoring inefficiencies and also pulse, only talking CDR.
And yes I have made a quad .4ohm parallel build that yields .1ohm total and vaped it at 100W.
The point is, both example 3 and 4 are regulated mods, the mod with two in series cannot get there even with adding more batteries but a mod with two batteries in parallel can.
There are other examples at high resistances where more source voltage ie series, and/or with boost where they can get there but parallel cannot.
But these alone clearly prove series versus parallel does matter.
HTH
Your first post "Two 18650s will be able to handle more current" is what I was referring to.
Two 20A CDR batteries in parallel would deliver 40A CDR where as in series only 20A CDR.
While your examples are correct I disagree with "Parallel or series doesn't matter in a regulated setup". There is more to the story and more examples.
Example 1: two cells in series: 7.4V supply drawing 10A - delivered to atty: 7.4V at .1ohm and 10A is 74W
Example 2: one cell 3.7V supply drawing 20A to Boost to 7.4V - delivered to atty: 7.4V at .1ohm and 10A is 74W
With example 2 the run time is halved assuming same maH ratings, but 26650s have more capacity which is a reason to go with 26650 versus 18650 for a single cell mod with boost ie Slice.
Also Example 1 can use two 10A CDR batteries. Example two would need a single 20A CDR battery.
Example 3 (0.1ohm atty): At 101W, the current would be 31.76A, and 3.18V at atty. There are no 31.76A CDR 18650s or 26650s so in dual series mods like the G2, it can't get 101W CDR @0.1ohm.
Example 4 (0.1ohm atty): However, there are plenty of 18650s and 26650s that will supply more than half 31.76A CDR or 15.88A, as in two 20A CDR in parallel. So a dual 20A CDR parallel mod with buck down from 3.7V to 3.18V can get to 101W CDR.
Yes I too am ignoring inefficiencies and also pulse, only talking CDR.
And yes I have made a quad .4ohm parallel build that yields .1ohm total and vaped it at 100W.
The point is, both example 3 and 4 are regulated mods, the mod with two in series cannot get there even with adding more batteries but a mod with two batteries in parallel can.
There are other examples at high resistances where more source voltage ie series, and/or with boost where they can get there but parallel cannot.
But these alone clearly prove series versus parallel does matter.
HTH
And since Mooch is here, thanks for your testing. You do a great test. I see now even friend Phil is leaving the battery testing to you. Thanks for all you do.
True enough. Of course, in the meantime, you'll be rockin an oversized device, with an "extra" part involved, (the adapter). If you don't mind that, then by all means, go for it.
My hands are fairly large.
Look how many people love the VF Stout, or even the RX200. The device isn't oversized, it's about as small as a 26650 can be.
The extra piece, well that remains to be seen if it turns out to be an issue. If it is I will grab a couple of 26650s.
I didn't mean that it would be too big, (I love my RX200 and find it extremely comfortable to use). I meant oversized when compared to single 18650 mods.
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