HOHM Wrecker 151W TC ?

[jstrong]

They're still playing in the Joe for the rest of this year and all of next season. I'll miss it being right on the river. Lots of good memories there for me. I actually went to a few games at the Old Red Barn (The Olympia) before they moved to the Joe. Honestly, I was more sad to see the Tigers leave Tiger Stadium. That was a great place to see a ballgame. The upper deck overhung the lower deck. Upper Deck Box Seats were actually a touch closer than lower deck box seats.

Cheers,
Steve

Edit. I started thinking about it after you asked. I remember when I first started driving to games myself. Illitch was giving away a car after every game trying to fill the Joe. Yzerman was a rookie iirc. We use to buy tickets for $5 (under face value). We went a lot. That was the start of a great run. I'm going to miss the place.

About a 50 minute drive from me to Martinsville is where one of your beloved Tigers and one of the best second basemen to play the game played his high school ball. That man's name is Lou Whitaker. It is a shame him and Alan Trammell are not in the Hall of Fame. Those 2 men turned more double plays then anybody.

 

[f1vefour]

The hardware is essentially just alot of fancy words.

No it isn't, it's extremely accurate and efficient.

I agree they are using nonsensical terminology, it doesn't mean the hardware isn't capable.

I personally could care less about Kanthal TC, but once the software is honed for SS it will be a purchase for myself.

Everyone is saying it's a fail, and perhaps it is for Kanthal currently. But as a device that is well built, US supported and firmware upgradeable for $135 it's certainly not a fail.

Between it and the VT200, I would go with the VT200 currently. In a month or so I see this changing as the software matures.

Hohm Tech certainly needs to drop all the goofy terminology to be taken seriously and I hope they do.

Oh and for the SS430 discussion, I have been using it since Unkamen began carrying it. It's awesome in TC and power mode, best all around wire IMO.

 

[KenD]

No it isn't, it's extremely accurate and efficient.

I agree they are using nonsensical terminology, it doesn't mean the hardware isn't capable.

I personally could care less about Kanthal TC, but once the software is honed for SS it will be a purchase for myself.

Everyone is saying it's a fail, and perhaps it is for Kanthal currently. But as a device that is well built, US supported and firmware upgradeable for $135 it's certainly not a fail.

Between it and the VT200, I would go with the VT200 currently. In a month or so I see this changing as the software matures.

Hohm Tech certainly needs to drop all the goofy terminology to be taken seriously and I hope they do.

Oh and for the SS430 discussion, I have been using it since Unkamen began carrying it. It's awesome in TC and power mode, best all around wire IMO.

I don't understand how you can say that it's extremely accurate when it fails so miserably with ss. Sure, the hardware could be very accurate, but there's no indication of that yet.

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[f1vefour]

The indication is the accuracy in Nickel, Titanium, and in power mode.

You never saw Phil adjust the XXX value which is TCR, the device is already relatively accurate when setup properly. Problem is they are trying to generalize (dumb down) the settings to handle all SS and this is what Phil was using..SS mode.

Switch to XXX mode, adjust XXX value (TCR), profit. In trying to simplify the modes they are actually making it less accurate and harder to use.

 

[f1vefour]

Also the temperature control is a bit different than what were used to, it WILL NOT try hard to hold temperature unless you're actually vaping it. Something else Phil failed to wrap his head around.

When not pulling air across the coils the device will not boil off juice like all other TC devices, at the part of the P.Busardo review where he was dripping then firing you can see this in action. Had he simply blown air across the coil you would have seen it come to life and behave like he was expecting.

I have no stock in the company. I just hate to see a potentially awesome device be disregarded because of user error and a claimed feature that doesn't quite work.

I would hold off on purchasing until the software (firmware) matures, but I am confident in a month or two people will see how impressive this device really is.

 

[Mike 586]

 

[Can I Bum One]

 

[Tim Jenson]

Also the temperature control is a bit different than what were used to, it WILL NOT try hard to hold temperature unless you're actually vaping it. Something else Phil failed to wrap his head around.

When not pulling air across the coils the device will not boil off juice like all other TC devices, at the part of the P.Busardo review where he was dripping then firing you can see this in action. Had he simply blown air across the coil you would have seen it come to life and behave like he was expecting.

I have no stock in the company. I just hate to see a potentially awesome device be disregarded because of user error and a claimed feature that doesn't quite work.

I would hold off on purchasing until the software (firmware) matures, but I am confident in a month or two people will see how impressive this device really is.

I watched another review, that I think more accurately describes this box. Like you I think I may end up going for it when it matures as well. Here is the link to another review I think you'll find more level headed and accurate in its description of the device. It's by Suck My Mod.

 

[hazozita]

I’ve had mine for about two weeks and have been really enjoying it. It takes a good amount of fiddling to get it to work well in kathal mode – lots of trial and error, and the process has to be repeated every time I change to a different atty. But, when it works, it does work well. It’s been a lot of fun working with it, after I got over my urge to throw it out the window on days 1 and 2.

Now, when it comes to looks, that’s a different story....

 

[f1vefour]

It's an ugly duckling alright.

 

[f1vefour]

I’ve had mine for about two weeks and have been really enjoying it. It takes a good amount of fiddling to get it to work well in kathal mode – lots of trial and error, and the process has to be repeated every time I change to a different atty. But, when it works, it does work well. It’s been a lot of fun working with it, after I got over my urge to throw it out the window on days 1 and 2.

Now, when it comes to looks, that’s a different story....

Your crazy, TC doesn't work with kanthal.....

Sarcasm of course.

 

[Can I Bum One]

I know everyone is on the topic of Kanthal, but did any of you that have the mod have issues with the mod not firing sometimes? I have the previous version and like Phil, mod doesn't fire sometimes and shows 0v. I honestly wish that I didn't see the mod on sale for half price at the time. I hate supporting companies that hurt our image.

Do you guys honestly believe you will be using the tc after the honeymoon phase? It doesn't seem like it actually does tc with kanthal, more like, maybe not burn my cotton mode. I will need to see temp charts showing actual tc.

Last question, did you buy the 40 Amp batteries that they make? Here are the specs on these bad boys.

"Built specifically for vapers and the vape industry at heart... We emphasized on safety while using battery steriods. TIRED OF REWRAPS? So are we. Hohm Tech cells have a unique authenticity code.

Step 1] Started with the tried and true LG H Series battery chemistry

Step 2] Collaboration & guidance from the source of it all, IC (aka: Indonesia Chemistry)

Step 3] Lowered internal resistance by a multitude of various internal modifications(used UHPAI for cathode tag, shortened cathode tag, among other mods)

Step 4] After 1000’s of trials and tests, we zero’d in on the perfect combination of what we call PPLS (Price, Power, Longevity, & Safety)

Step 5] Expanded our safety efforts by placing EPTC rings in each and every battery as well as integrated updated Poly Seals."

 

[Tim Jenson]

PHIL PBUSARDO REFUTED

Found this video by Hohm tech themselves showing how Phil didn't understand how it worked, they replicate his results and show he was wrong here is the video.

 

[f1vefour]

Well against my better judgement I ordered a silver g2, should be here Saturday.

I don't care about kanthal TC in the least, I use SS430. Everyone seems to overlook this device does more than kanthal TC.

Why I purchased is for a device with over 100w, upgradeable, does SS TC, dual battery, efficient and well made. If the device can provide a similar kanthal TC vape I get on my other devices with SS I will make a video and try to get my money back. If not no worries, I will simply use it as I intend with SS.

I will post my thoughts once I receive it, believe me if it doesn't perform properly I will let you know.

 

[Can I Bum One]

PHIL PBUSARDO REFUTED

Found this video by Hohm tech themselves showing how Phil didn't understand how it worked, they replicate his results and show he was wrong here is the video.

Did you watch the same video that I did? Watch from 42:30 to 50:20 and come back and tell me Phil is wrong.. lol

 

[350ZMO]

Well I decided to take Ben up on his G2 challenge, I've come to agree with Phil 99% of the time but he did get a prototype.

I have a long video I'm posting on youtube but here is the short of it.

1)It is NOT accurate in Kanthal Temperature Protection mode.
2)But it DOES work in Kanthal Temperature Protection mode.

Which to me is huge.

As long as you don't mind a wide temperature variability say set for 360F and get 420F and fine tuning the FSK curve to get that, it does work. I know its early in its development but the G2 does limit temperature as is. And it is software upgradeable. Mine came with version 2.4.4 already loaded.

Some things I found:

I found changing the FSK curve just one point makes a pretty large difference. I had set for 360F and found the thermal couple to stabilize around 460F but lowering the FSK curve one point and I found it stabilize at around 420F. Which hey, close enough for me.

After the temperature testing with a thermocouple I threw a Crown with .5ohm on it and it vaped great. But as I started to edit the video I noticed the display said .6x ohms. So I let it cool down, initiated kanthal temp mode again and it read .53ohm. 521 tab measured .51ohm. Only I wasn't get any vapor at all. So I raised temperature to 700 and FSK all the way to 100% and got some vapor but no where near what even 360F should give. So I tried a 1.5ohm build on an RTA and bingo it worked only this time I had to lower the temperature to 200F. I finally lowered the FSK curve from 54 to 40 and set the temperature to 360F and it was back to working at what I would call a 400-450F vape experience. I took the coil out of the Crown and it looks fine no discoloration and wet. When I first put the Crown on it didn't make contact so I used a 510 heatsink that had adjustable center posts. That might have had something to do with it. So later I did fool the Hohm Wrecker into thinking it was a .6ohm atty by loosening the atty and reinitiating kanthal temperature protection, then tightening up and it started working again. But at .53 700F and FSK 100% it still puts out very little vapor. So...there is something wrong with the Crown, pushed pin and then something wrong with the heatsink, not the Hohm Wrecker.

The included paper manual does not say it does Kanthal Temperature Protection / Control unless I missed it. It does, not real accurate, but it does.

Hohm Tech posted a video for newcomers to the G2. Awesome sound track but unfortunately tough to decipher what buttons need to be pressed to enter the insane menu to set FSK. Hold the mode (menu) and plus and minus buttons all at the same time.

I couldn't figure out how to swap the temperature and power in the display from the manual and videos, maybe I missed it but I did stumble across it messing around. Click the fire button 3 times.

I noticed a difference in FSK setting with a close almost contact coil than a spread one. With the close build I had to lower the FSK from 54 to 40 to get approximately the same vape experience.

Impressions:

In the video I compare it to several mods and it really isn't that bad. It is wide though not as wide as a SMY260. Not as heavy as a 1590B DNA200 with 2200mah Lipo. But I have to agree that other than the male female ohm engravings on the edges, it's a box. That doesn't bother me but aesthetically and ergonomically, its a box.

I would have to say that the prototype Phil got was defective. And I can understand that frustration. The G2 I got works, certainly not accurate, and needs fiddling/calibrating but that's ok. No issues with battery contacts or resets. So it isn't the best choice for someone new to vaping. But for me, someone who is a vaping hobbyist and loves tweaking, I'm glad I got it. In other words not ready for prime time with all vapers but it is for some.

You can tell when your wick starts drying out, the vapor production falls off. But you CAN discolor a build if you set the FSK too high. Keep FSK low, and it won't. Given the wide variability in actual measured temperature by changing the FSK just one point, I agree that Temperature Guessing might be the most accurate description. I don't know how it works but it is good enough for now for some. With any other VW or VV device just hold down the fire button long enough and you can burn a build quickly.

To Phils other point about the 510 spring being weak, well...it is. Not the worst I have ever had though. As is and brand new it's working fine with Kanthal builds though I haven't tried Ni200 yet I believe it will be ok so I can't say it is a problem. But I do believe a little more stiffness wouldn't hurt.

I think the biggest problem right now is the tweaking. It's tough to calibrate it without a thermocouple. And like Ben says there are many parameters involved. I look forward to continued testing. I am also tempted to macguyver an atty with a thermocouple on or in the build and wires coming out the side.

I'm not going to ask Ben for reimbursement per his challenge. The Kanthal Temperature Protection works. And that's what I bought it for. I know its new and all that comes with that but it is SW upgradeable. I'm happy.

I do recommend this over normal VW/VV mods for an experienced vaper.

Improvements:

Right now, I just want to see continued development in the SW and Kanthal temperature control.

 

[edyle]

All that really matter is if it can handle vt with 1, 2, maybe even 3 ohm (hey, why not? heck let's go up to 5 ohm!),

If kanthal is worst alloy to use because kanthal was specifically developed to have low tcr, but there's NICHROME.

The important thing is to get vt control over a more user friendly range of ohms.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Unless they can fine tune it to the point where you set the temperature and it works, calling it Kanthal TC isn't accurate. As it is now you have to set the temperature, then adjust the FSK curve until you think it's at the temperature you set (another word for guessing). Like you said, that's temperature guessing. Doesn't sound a lot different than my Asolo. That worked sometime too.

 

[f1vefour]

@350ZMO

Nice video, honest review. It's not fair to compare the TC of a DNA to the hohm wrecker unless using the same wire. It's apples to oranges since the DNA can't do kanthal TC.

What I would like to see you to do is test the accuracy in stainless steel, no one has done this with a temperature probe.

You should put in for a refund, reason is because you made a proper video and you could let others know if hohm tech keeps their word. Sharing in this thread qualifies as "social media" so you're good to go.

Thanks for sharing, I look forward to receiving my device and giving it a go.

 

[350ZMO]

Thanks.

Well, when they advertise:
Measures Kanthal / Nichrome & ALL Metal Temps (RDA, tanks, & any atty’s temperatures can be measured & limited)
Then I think it is fair and proper to compare how well these temp limit devices do temp limit regardless of technique or material. In other words, how well does my RAM Cummins pull my tractor and trailer versus my old RAM with a 360 did. One uses diesel, the other gas, widely different torque profiles but they both did the same job, pulled my trailer. BTW no comparison, got rid of the old 360. LOL.

I acknowledge this is the only one that I know of that claims Kanthal temperature limiting so it is the only one that does that job. But like wingsfan0310 I can't call it control and only if you can calibrate it on an atty with a thermocouple then wick and wet and go and it is consistent and repeatable and accurate could I say temperature control. But my thermocouple testing proves it does limit, not accurately but it does limit. In vape experience, I would say it is repeatable to a point. I have yet to have it give me a burnt taste so it does protect against burning. But not say 410F versus 420F. maybe 430F versus 460F. I believe that was shown in my video. But when I went back to the same FSK setting it plateaued much lower so I don't know, maybe it was learning like Ben says, but on that single run I was unable to repeat it. That could have just been a test setup limitation or anomaly. Much more testing and development is needed. But I did demonstrate that it worked.

Yeah I know but I don't feel right doing that, it does what I wanted it to do so that's fair. I didn't take his challenge because it was an opportunity to get a free mod. If I was unable to get it to limit with Kanthal, then I would have returned it. Others will determine if they live up to their word. Because it is after all an opportunity to get a free mod, I'm sure there will be plenty.

SS...well I don't have any. Is there a particular brand and type of SS you have in mind?