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Holland bans e-cigarettes

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  1. rolygate

    rolygate Forum Manager Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Mrs Schippers, the Minister of Health, announced yesterday that the sale and import of electronic cigarettes is banned from today. E-cigarettes will require a pharma license.

    Very bad news for the Dutch, and a decision that will lead to the loss of thousands of lives. The Dutch pharmaceutical industry will be very happy now that their income is protected.

    Holland can now prepare for a large black market, the loss of income to the state from retail sales of e-cigarettes, the loss of jobs from retailers, the money going into the hands of smugglers, thousands of smokers dying unnecessarily, and the state bearing the cost of treating their illnesses. All to save the pharma industry shareholders a few bucks.

    Google Translate, the letter of notification:
    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stelda.nl%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Ffood%2Fkamerbrief-status-elektronische-sigaret%5B1%5D.pdf
     
    rolygate, Dec 24, 2011
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  2. twohandedcreations

    twohandedcreations Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2011
    orlando florida
    thats really sad
     
    twohandedcreations, Dec 24, 2011
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  3. Dieseler

    Dieseler ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 24, 2011
    Illinois
    That is very sad, don't the people that make these laws give them any thought before hand ?
     
    Dieseler, Dec 24, 2011
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  4. fumarole

    fumarole Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2009
    I wonder what size bribe it takes to kill thousands of people? Still, someone in the health ministry will be having a nice Christmas.
     
    fumarole, Dec 24, 2011
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  5. Vapeterry

    Vapeterry Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 3, 2011
    AR, USA
    Thank you Rolygate for posting, very sad news that we need to be informed of.
     
    Vapeterry, Dec 24, 2011
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  6. rolygate

    rolygate Forum Manager Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Looks as if all retail and web sales are banned (but only of nicotine-containing products). E-cigs with zero-nic seem to be permitted. At first glance then, this looks like a Canada situation.
     
    rolygate, Dec 24, 2011
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  7. samuelmunro

    samuelmunro Full Member

    Sep 19, 2010
    Aberdeen, United Kingdom
    Why?...too much Competition for the other other rolled weed.
     
    samuelmunro, Dec 24, 2011
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  8. Vapeterry

    Vapeterry Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 3, 2011
    AR, USA
    Rolygate how does one keep up with the world ecig bans, i happen to see only some of the news?
     
    Vapeterry, Dec 24, 2011
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  9. rolygate

    rolygate Forum Manager Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Many people email me when things happen, maybe because I wear two hats: ECF Manager and also Secretary of the UK consumer association, ECCA UK. I have various Google alerts set up, and Facebook notifications.

    To get probably the best overview of world legal status by country, go to Kate's Vapers Network:

    Legal Trends | Vapers Network

    Lots of stuff turns up on CASAA's FB page as well. Most things of note will end up here, anyway, in the Legislation or General news forums.
     
    rolygate, Dec 24, 2011
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  10. Vapeterry

    Vapeterry Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 3, 2011
    AR, USA
    Thank you very much for the info. i will look into it more.
     
    Vapeterry, Dec 25, 2011
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  11. Sophora

    Sophora Full Member

    Nov 7, 2011
    Netherlands
    Actually, it's worse. The wording in the letter suggests that the finished product is banned from sales without license. The finished product
    being the esig itself (combination of hardware + liquid), there's no mention of just nic-containing liquids.
     
    Sophora, Dec 25, 2011
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  12. Vapeterry

    Vapeterry Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 3, 2011
    AR, USA
    I read that link you gave, grim all over the Globe.
     
    Vapeterry, Dec 25, 2011
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  13. trying

    trying Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 11, 2010
    usa
    The Nordic countries only allow non-nicotine E-cigarettes. Hollands close proximity to those countries might have had some influence.
     
    trying, Dec 25, 2011
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  14. frosting

    frosting Reviewer / Blogger Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 11, 2011
    Connecticut
    Sad and greatly hypocritical...for a country that boasts such good health, so much freedom and a high rate of happiness.
     
    frosting, Dec 25, 2011
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  15. Retriever

    Retriever Moved On

    Nov 2, 2011
    Interesting. Just hope it is not in our future. Doesn't big pharma make enough on their products already?
     
    Retriever, Dec 25, 2011
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  16. sqirl1

    sqirl1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 10, 2011
    St. Louis, MO
    you'd think holland being the place where drugs are legal, nicotine wouldn't matter..... just goes to show how crazy these left-wing lunatics really are.
     
    sqirl1, Dec 25, 2011
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  17. throatkick

    throatkick Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Dec 20, 2010
    FL
    Yes but what to do? Something's gotta be done to reverse this tide.
     
    throatkick, Dec 25, 2011
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  18. Running Wolf

    Running Wolf Super Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 22, 2011
    North East Ohio
    All politicians, no matter of national origin are corrupt money grubbing .......s who do not think of anything more than lining their own pockets.

    Gee, pot is decriminalized. Prostitution is legal. ...... is decriminalized..... but PVs are illegal? Am I missing something here?
     
    Running Wolf, Dec 25, 2011
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  19. jtpjc

    jtpjc Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 8, 2010
    Netherlands
    I'm extremely pissed off by this. The stupidity and hypocricy of our rulemakers is mindblowing. Mrs Schippers states that nicotine is a pharmaceutical product since it is capable of influencing the state of the human body. According to this logic so is a cheese sandwich (cures hunger), but for some reason those don't need te be regulated.
     
    jtpjc, Dec 25, 2011
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  20. Sophora

    Sophora Full Member

    Nov 7, 2011
    Netherlands
    Well, the first actions have been taken to reverse her decision.
    Both Stelda (Dutch consumers association) and sellers have demanded a meeting or we'll see her in court.
    (that is to say, financially Stelda is not capable of doing the last bit, the sellers have to)
     
    Sophora, Dec 25, 2011
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