How in the heck could this be legal??? Not that it has to be since our government does what they want to do whether it is within the law or not.
This happened to RTS Vapes
This happened to RTS Vapes
Homeland Security Busting Nicotine Vendors????
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home land would only get involved if someone put a bug in their ear to make them think this company was selling bulk high strength nicotine that was flavored, and they are trying to poison people. That would be the only reason they would investigate. The question is who would do this? BT, ANTZ, competition, someone that wasn't satisfied. Thinking if they get rid of nicotine supply they can get rid of e-cigs. Its not Homelands place to control nicotine, that is the FDA's job, its only home land if there is purposeful intent to harm with a poison or chemical. Which we know in this case that is not so. Sounds like to me someone or people are trying to get rid of this company. Or the other thing that our government is starting within to get rid of the peoples ability to mix their own, but I really don't think that is the case. I wonder did homeland take any of the nicotine, remove any product?
That was exactly what I said in the RTS thread. I wondered if someone did not falsely accuse them of doing something that they are not. Until I saw the other thread posted by Bill Godshall. here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...regulation-proposed-approved.html#post9950587
The owner did not say that they took anything at all with them. But, he did mention turning down a buy out offer from BT.
See, the plot thickens.
The owner did not say that they took anything at all with them. But, he did mention turning down a buy out offer from BT.
See, the plot thickens.
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I read recently on another thread about a vendor that posted on his website that he was unable to complete delivery on some orders because customs had impounded his shipment of juice. Here's the link: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...keters-shipment-e-liquids-seized-customs.html
I realize this may be unrelated, but it makes me wonder what's going on and who's prompting whom to do what...
I realize this may be unrelated, but it makes me wonder what's going on and who's prompting whom to do what...
I will follow this and see what develops, but right now I want to say that's outrageous. I can't however without knowing more facts. If the buyout offer is true that paints a clearer picture. But clearly, something stinks. We should all be watching this.
From the owner of RTS Vapes http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nicotine-liquid-made-usa-286.html#post9946253, the federal agents got involved when they said he "lied" about selling flavored nicotine eliquid, which he doesn't.
"Had 3 federal agents from the department of homeland security visit my home and facility yesterday while I am on vacation. ... do they have to do with our US nicotine extraction? They claim they will try to get an arrest warrant from the US attorney for liying to a federal agent. The agent asked me, do you sell the little vials with flavor and nicotine in them and I said no. Then they go to my facility and find we produce flavorless liquid nicotine and think it is the same as flavored. I guess this is a new way for the federal government to go after companies."
"They are not saying it is illegal to sell flavored nicotine. They are saying I am guilty of lying to a federal agent because I said we do not sell it which is true. The department of homeland security does not know the difference between flavored and concentrated flavorless nicotine. There were around 20 other questions asked about the production of pure nicotine being a risk to the country because it is a poison."
"Curious that we refused a buyout offer by a BT company last week and this happens."
Just conjecture here, but this sounds a lot like gang-like retaliation and bullying by out-of-control government or BT hassling certain people in the name of "national security". In reality, it appears to be, "You just upset my bed partner (Big Tobacco) and now I'm going to get even with you for them." Makes you wonder if this incident would have happened had the buyout gone through.
Our government is corrupt (past and recent events continue to prove this) and at the whim of large corporations which seek to monopolize business in their self interest.
I still don't see why Homeland Security would get involved with this. Were they really federal agents? Or were they hired thugs with fake badges? The guy at RTS said they wore torn jeans. Not what I would expect from official federal agents.
"Had 3 federal agents from the department of homeland security visit my home and facility yesterday while I am on vacation. ... do they have to do with our US nicotine extraction? They claim they will try to get an arrest warrant from the US attorney for liying to a federal agent. The agent asked me, do you sell the little vials with flavor and nicotine in them and I said no. Then they go to my facility and find we produce flavorless liquid nicotine and think it is the same as flavored. I guess this is a new way for the federal government to go after companies."
"They are not saying it is illegal to sell flavored nicotine. They are saying I am guilty of lying to a federal agent because I said we do not sell it which is true. The department of homeland security does not know the difference between flavored and concentrated flavorless nicotine. There were around 20 other questions asked about the production of pure nicotine being a risk to the country because it is a poison."
"Curious that we refused a buyout offer by a BT company last week and this happens."
Just conjecture here, but this sounds a lot like gang-like retaliation and bullying by out-of-control government or BT hassling certain people in the name of "national security". In reality, it appears to be, "You just upset my bed partner (Big Tobacco) and now I'm going to get even with you for them." Makes you wonder if this incident would have happened had the buyout gone through.
Our government is corrupt (past and recent events continue to prove this) and at the whim of large corporations which seek to monopolize business in their self interest.
I still don't see why Homeland Security would get involved with this. Were they really federal agents? Or were they hired thugs with fake badges? The guy at RTS said they wore torn jeans. Not what I would expect from official federal agents.
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It was not just this one vendor. According to RTS, there is another large vendor that this has happened to as well.
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RTS lab in Charlotte, NC was ordered to stop extracting nicotine for them as well.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-flavorless-nicotine-liquid-made-usa-293.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-flavorless-nicotine-liquid-made-usa-293.html
Something about this whole story isn't ringing true to me, but I don't know what it is. Why doesn't RTS explain who was the "federal agent" questioning him in the first place that he was subsequently accused of lying to? Or if the lie was supposed to have occurred while the agents were there, what reason did the agents give for being there in the first place? Did they have a warrant or explain why they were called to his business/home in the first place? The FDA has its own agents, so why is Homeland Security involved in what is clearly an FDA matter? If the nicotine is extracted at a lab in Philadelphia, why were they at his business? There is no law against selling flavored nicotine in the US (yet), so what does it matter if he sells flavored nicotine? He obviously sells unflavored nicotine, so if this is a run-around attempt at shutting down e-liquid vendors, wouldn't the government go after companies that openly admit to selling flavored nicotine solutions first?
I don't know - none of this really adds up for me.
I don't know - none of this really adds up for me.
I agree Kristin.
That is why I said that I think there has been a Mistake or some kind of Mix-Up. Perhaps RTS was wrongly associated with the Sweep to Close Down those Online Drug Websites?
I agree that the exact sequence of events has yet to be laid out and all the players identified. One fact that doesn't seem to be in question, though, is that agents from the Dept. of Homeland Security visited the RTS owner both at his home and his place of business. The reason for these visits is not clear at this time, nor can we be sure exactly what questions they asked him, and exactly how he answered.
But the fact remains: a vendor of e-liquid has been visited and questioned (and evidently threatened) by agents of Homeland Security. Whatever happens as a result, this is not good and needs to be monitored. That is this vaper's opinion.
I don't believe Homeland Security had anything to do with the online-drug-website sweep. At least nothing I've read about it mentioned DHS. Curious...
The DHS is Involved with ALL Aspects of Any Potential Criminal Activity.
They are the Top of the Law Enforcement Org Chart.
Maybe someone should drop a dime on Fox News.
We'll never hear about this stuff in the "mainstream media"
Good suggestion and you are 100% right. Except, the mainstream media may distort the story to leave the impression that vaping is some kind of terrorist sub-culture. Would not surprise me.
The PA facility is a back up lab for them. They also have one in Charlotte. Randy stated that the agent showed his badge but would not let him make a copy of the numbers or of the warrant.
He also stated that he was not the only one that this happened to and that another ECF vendor went through the same thing.
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