Hot Bath?
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I have decicided that heating plastic bottles is not for me. I have read that leaving bottles of water in the car and they heat up dioxins or whatever chemicals are in the plastic begins to seep into the liquid that is in the bottles. So I have quit hot water bathing my juices in plastic. I transfer them to a nice glass bottle first. I am probably being silly but thought it might be worth a mention to all the women out there. I also am a person that yells at my kids and hubby for trying to heat food on foam or plastic in the microwave.
Yea, it definitely is an old thread. I used to mess around with DIY a wile ago, but gave up. I've recently been reading more about it and hitting Google and ECF for info to try and get back into it.
I never hot water bathed juice before, so I randomly stumbled across this thread threw Google I think.
I sure as hell hate waiting to vape juice. That's why I started buying all the fancy "fanboy" juices at the shops around my hood.... I live in Cali so there everywhere. But I'm so sick of paying high prices for juice; and my finances took a recent hit as well. So I really need this DIY thing to work out for me.
Problem is I hate 80-90% of the juice I try, let alone make. Even the juices I love to death, I usually hate every other juice that same company makes.
Hopefully this hot bath will help me be able to test mixes quicker so I can get what I'm looking for without having to wait weeks/month in-between mixes.
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That's not silly at all. There's been lots of discussion over in the UC steeping thread about plastics leeching undesirable plastic by product in to the mix under heat. This is one of the reasons why we prefer glass bottles for steeping.
Trying to use my kitchen crock-pot for steeping. I put about 2 inches of wather inside, and a heavy glass bowl to hold the juice bottles. It has three temperature settings - warm, low, and high. Both warm and low bring the internal temp to about 135F.
Is this too hot? If so, how about 2 hours on and 2 hours off? (timer)
My reading of this forum seems to find great discussion about upper temperatures. A lot of advice suggests 120F is the upper limit... This is little more than 10% too high...
Is this too hot? If so, how about 2 hours on and 2 hours off? (timer)
My reading of this forum seems to find great discussion about upper temperatures. A lot of advice suggests 120F is the upper limit... This is little more than 10% too high...
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Why not just mix and slow simmer your juice directly in the crock pot? Make like 500ml inside the crock pot at 100-110 degrees... mixing it every 30mins and having it sit in there for 3-4 hours before bottling it up.
I'm sure there's a reason why this isn't done... just kinda throwing it out there to get the guru's to explain to me why.
I know DIY is kinda like cooking, but without the heat.... I guess it's the sushi of the cooking world, Lol. More preparation, quality ingredients, and proper quantities involved than heat.
Just kinda wondering how the heat would negatively effect the outcome of the end product. unwanted evaporation would come into account with an open pot... but the crock pot would keep everything inside.
Curiosity got the best of me... so I had to ask. I'm still a noob in the DIY world.
I'm sure there's a reason why this isn't done... just kinda throwing it out there to get the guru's to explain to me why.
I know DIY is kinda like cooking, but without the heat.... I guess it's the sushi of the cooking world, Lol. More preparation, quality ingredients, and proper quantities involved than heat.
Just kinda wondering how the heat would negatively effect the outcome of the end product. unwanted evaporation would come into account with an open pot... but the crock pot would keep everything inside.
Curiosity got the best of me... so I had to ask. I'm still a noob in the DIY world.
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PG and VG are hygroscopic. They suck water out of anything they come in contact with including air. Nicotine oxidizes in the presence of free oxygen and the process is quickened by heat.
If you're looking to thin you juice with water, but don't want to add it yourself, heating it in a crockpot with a loose fitting lid is a great way to do that. If you like the taste of oxidized nicotine over fresh, it's also probably a great idea.
Also you'd be forced into making only large batches since a 10ml sample is probably just enough to wet the walls of a crockpot.
It would be an interesting experiment for someone who doesn't mind experimenting with large batches.
If you're looking to thin you juice with water, but don't want to add it yourself, heating it in a crockpot with a loose fitting lid is a great way to do that. If you like the taste of oxidized nicotine over fresh, it's also probably a great idea.
Also you'd be forced into making only large batches since a 10ml sample is probably just enough to wet the walls of a crockpot.
It would be an interesting experiment for someone who doesn't mind experimenting with large batches.
Perfect explanation of why you shouldn't use a crock pot and expecially use the entire surface of it to steep. If you like thinner juice and want water added the condensation formed may be just the perfect amount of water needed. Condensation will be present and trapped even after putting the cover on that is unless your working in a 0 humidity room. Would love to see how this works out in the height of the summer months. And theres nothing better then the flavor and moisture essentials eveparating due to a poor fitting lid and lets not forget the person wanting to remove the lid to take a wif of the heavenly aroma every 5 minutes and letting even more unwanted condensation in and flavor out.
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I thought nicotine started to degrade at 120 (or is it 110)? I carefully monitor my UC to keep it below 110 for this reason - so surely the hot water bath is above this temp? Or is it not hot long enough to affect the nicotine?
Nicotine does not degrade (Loose NIC strength) It ozidizes changing the taste of the mix (Not always a bad thing and part of the steeping process). So the Question should be how fast do you want the nicotine to oxidize. The hotter the mix the faster it oxidizes.
I heat mine right after mixing them up and shake the daylights out of them, then again 3 days later. Definitely helps the steeping process.
Heating a mix is sometimes a nessessary evil to thin and shake a mix but prolonged high heat could be an issue. THis is why it's such a hot debate as to what is the best minimum heat for prolonged steeping.
Thanks for the info guys. Maybe sometime I got money and extra nic pg/vg and flavors to waist I'll give it a shot and see what happens. I need to test my crock pot and see what the lowest temperature reads first though.
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It was a sarcastic look at crock pots, I for one don't recommend it. If you do use it keep temperature at a minimum. And use it with sealed bottles of juice sitting in water don't just dump it in the pot.
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Did anyone try heating/steeping the mix without added nic , and then add it after flavors matured?
I have read that it does. Granted I am new to this but I am letting mine sit in a hot bath like Hoosier said. It seems to help a LOT.
I'll use my one recipe that needs 2 weeks of steeping to taste right as an example...
I don't finish the bottle.
When I make a fresh bottle I put 1ml of the old batch in first (the seed) and then make the batch normally. (Ignore that there is 1ml of the old batch in the bottle.)
It cuts a week off the usual steep time for that recipe. I don't know how or why, but it does. The new batch sits for a week sealed up and it's perfect.
Note that I only have one recipe that requires 2 weeks of steep to be perfect so the only thing I seed steep is this one recipe. The vast majority of my recipes don't need any steeping and are completely unaffected in flavor with steeping, even my tobacco mixes. (The one that does need 2 weeks is a tobacco flavor though.)
I seed steep TFA's black honey tobacco which normally takes 5 weeks (Very chemical smelling and tasting). WHen I get to 15% of a bottle left I will make a new batch and add it to the old batch. I've found that it only takes 5 days to a week to steep when added to old mix.
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