House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

Status
Not open for further replies.

lorderos33

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 6, 2011
2,226
1,563
FL
Lorderos, you don't need to keep apologizing. You made a mistake, you apologized.

You are an asset to the community. I, for one, pretty much take your technical advice as gospel. I know there are others who do as well. You have always been more than willing to give back.

Now, quit beating yourself up.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Thanks grruss :)
 

elfstone

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 15, 2012
2,601
3,018
OH
That's what I don't get. If you want to flip mods and make a profit OR to fund the purchase of other hiked up mods, that's okay... I mean it's not, not in my personal view, but that doesn't mean much: it's a free country, you are free to do asinine things.

What I don't understand is why do these people try so hard to both have their cake and eat it, too. I mean: you're doing the "capitalist" thing and do not accept the "nice", "communitarian" way. That's your choice. But have the freaking balls to stand by your choice. You are doing something that some people consider amoral. But you have made a choice, and you obviously do not share the same moral compass as those some people. Get over it. You can't please everyone, and sometimes your choices reflect on your character or reveal your character in ways that you won't like. Stop trying to justify your actions - it makes it worse. It says that you do get the moral reasoning behind those who shun you for profiteering. That, in turn, moves you from the amoral territory in the immoral one. When you do care about a certain type of moral judgement, and you still chose to act against it, you are by leaps and bounds worse than when your own moral judgement simply differs, or is absent, in a way that allows you to act that way.

/rant

(in fact I understand, it is a typical immature behavior whereby you are entitled at all times to both do what you want and be liked by everyone around)

The ASH list was for those didn't have a Zenesis at the time the list was formed. There was indeed some of us who were lucky enough to pick up a Zenesis elsewhere, while we waited on the ASH. Mike really wanted to get the ASH list out to those people within a month of its creation but due to situations that Mike couldn't control the ASH took longer. Would it have been appropriate to remove people who source a Zenesis while they waited for the ASH, wasnt the list created for those who battled the midnight madness wars and fell short and had no Zenesis at that moment, and we're they not allowed to purchase another if given the opportunity? I don't know.....

There may be extenuating circumstances for higher prices in the classys and many Zenfidels are smart enuff to realize based on location, when the circumstances are as you refer in your example. I haven't seen anyone criticize those who sale an item above MSRP, if they can see the items price was increased due to customs fees. I personally don't see that often and when I do most have tried to sale the item locally or on their side of the pond, that way the buyer completely understands the increase because the buyer would have to pay those same fees if they ordered one from Mike or whomever created the PV.

Thatick was not allowed on the ASH list because he said in this thread that he was going to buy and sell for a marked up price. He ended up getting a few from wh0isjohngalt (sp), according to wh0isjohngalt they were sold at the cost paid. Thatick sold one above MSRP saying the draw was to airy and it wasn't for him, he sold the other at an increase sayin that Genesis attys just didn't seem to be for him and he was sticking with silica/cotton style RBAs. Then he scored a ZAP, sold that at an increased price....not sure what the excuse was on that one.....airy draw prolly. Now he gets the ZAG and sells it cause it's got an airy draw and the flips the ZAU straight away cause he knows that the draw is the same on the ZAU as it is on a ZAG. I'm curious....if he wasn't flipping these for profit each time after the first, then why keep buying them? That all are Genesis style and all have the same draw.....can't you come up with a different excuse?

I sent him a PM when I saw it posted offering a trade of a Cobra for the ZAU and he said I was top of the list but he wasn't committing yet.....minutes later he closed the ad. Then I see where he claims to have flipped a ZAP in order to purchase a bliss and a Cobra, why would you even consider a trade for a Cobra if you already have one....truth has to be that there was never any intent to trade from the beginning. I knew that but wanted to see what the response was going to be, as I had already arranged a new home for the 2nd Cobra soon as it arrives.

What I don't get.....why come in here and try to defend your actions on gouging when you know there is no defense?
 

cryptodogg

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
May 14, 2012
2,012
3,076
Cornelia, GA
How is that Cobra? I have 1 sitting at the PO. It's killin me to wait.

I like it personally, great vaper and taste. I've been rocking Halo Belgian Cocoa and its my first grab on the rotation of 7 genny's when I vape a round. Different flavors in each.....as long as they make different flavors in juice, I can't see a reason to not have a diff Genny for each juice you like. :lol:
 

dearme

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 2, 2011
2,493
2,294
Colorado
That's what I don't get. If you want to flip mods and make a profit OR to fund the purchase of other hiked up mods, that's okay... I mean it's not, not in my personal view, but that doesn't mean much: it's a free country, you are free to do asinine things.

What I don't understand is why do these people try so hard to both have their cake and eat it, too. I mean: you're doing the "capitalist" thing and do not accept the "nice", "communitarian" way. That's your choice. But have the freaking balls to stand by your choice. You are doing something that some people consider amoral. But you have made a choice, and you obviously do not share the same moral compass as those some people. Get over it. You can't please everyone, and sometimes your choices reflect on your character or reveal your character in ways that you won't like. Stop trying to justify your actions - it makes it worse. It says that you do get the moral reasoning behind those who shun you for profiteering. That, in turn, moves you from the amoral territory in the immoral one. When you do care about a certain type of moral judgement, and you still chose to act against it, you are by leaps and bounds worse than when your own moral judgement simply differs, or is absent, in a way that allows you to act that way.

/rant

(in fact I understand, it is a typical immature behavior whereby you are entitled at all times to both do what you want and be liked by everyone around)

Translation...........When you know it's morally wrong and do it anyway, it's worse than not knowing it's morally wrong and doing it out of ignorance...........
 

ian74

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Feb 28, 2012
1,864
5,157
Alexandria, VA
Nice work crypto. That's some pretty damning evidence.

The ASH list was for those didn't have a Zenesis at the time the list was formed. There was indeed some of us who were lucky enough to pick up a Zenesis elsewhere, while we waited on the ASH. Mike really wanted to get the ASH list out to those people within a month of its creation but due to situations that Mike couldn't control the ASH took longer. Would it have been appropriate to remove people who source a Zenesis while they waited for the ASH, wasnt the list created for those who battled the midnight madness wars and fell short and had no Zenesis at that moment, and we're they not allowed to purchase another if given the opportunity? I don't know.....

There may be extenuating circumstances for higher prices in the classys and many Zenfidels are smart enuff to realize based on location, when the circumstances are as you refer in your example. I haven't seen anyone criticize those who sale an item above MSRP, if they can see the items price was increased due to customs fees. I personally don't see that often and when I do most have tried to sale the item locally or on their side of the pond, that way the buyer completely understands the increase because the buyer would have to pay those same fees if they ordered one from Mike or whomever created the PV.

Thatick was not allowed on the ASH list because he said in this thread that he was going to buy and sell for a marked up price. He ended up getting a few from wh0isjohngalt (sp), according to wh0isjohngalt they were sold at the cost paid. Thatick sold one above MSRP saying the draw was to airy and it wasn't for him, he sold the other at an increase sayin that Genesis attys just didn't seem to be for him and he was sticking with silica/cotton style RBAs. Then he scored a ZAP, sold that at an increased price....not sure what the excuse was on that one.....airy draw prolly. Now he gets the ZAG and sells it cause it's got an airy draw and the flips the ZAU straight away cause he knows that the draw is the same on the ZAU as it is on a ZAG. I'm curious....if he wasn't flipping these for profit each time after the first, then why keep buying them? That all are Genesis style and all have the same draw.....can't you come up with a different excuse?

I sent him a PM when I saw it posted offering a trade of a Cobra for the ZAU and he said I was top of the list but he wasn't committing yet.....minutes later he closed the ad. Then I see where he claims to have flipped a ZAP in order to purchase a bliss and a Cobra, why would you even consider a trade for a Cobra if you already have one....truth has to be that there was never any intent to trade from the beginning. I knew that but wanted to see what the response was going to be, as I had already arranged a new home for the 2nd Cobra soon as it arrives.

What I don't get.....why come in here and try to defend your actions on gouging when you know there is no defense?
 

Mr.Mann

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 30, 2011
17,401
40,572
48
All over the place
That's what I don't get. If you want to flip mods and make a profit OR to fund the purchase of other hiked up mods, that's okay... I mean it's not, not in my personal view, but that doesn't mean much: it's a free country, you are free to do asinine things.

What I don't understand is why do these people try so hard to both have their cake and eat it, too. I mean: you're doing the "capitalist" thing and do not accept the "nice", "communitarian" way. That's your choice. But have the freaking balls to stand by your choice. You are doing something that some people consider amoral. But you have made a choice, and you obviously do not share the same moral compass as those some people. Get over it. You can't please everyone, and sometimes your choices reflect on your character or reveal your character in ways that you won't like. Stop trying to justify your actions - it makes it worse. It says that you do get the moral reasoning behind those who shun you for profiteering. That, in turn, moves you from the amoral territory in the immoral one. When you do care about a certain type of moral judgement, and you still chose to act against it, you are by leaps and bounds worse than when your own moral judgement simply differs, or is absent, in a way that allows you to act that way.

/rant

(in fact I understand, it is a typical immature behavior whereby you are entitled at all times to both do what you want and be liked by everyone around)


This was oddly complex and substantially simple at the same time. If I would've tried to write something like that it would have been three times as long.
 

UnFettered_Soul

Exalted Grand High Poobah
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Thank you, Harry, for the explanation, and also MR, and Jonny..........but this is why I refuse to understand electrical stuff. I appreciate someone just telling me what to use.........and I do what they tell me, and I don't experiment..........LOL

Not being mechanically/electrically knowledgeable is very liberating and makes life simpler..........LOL

That's what the hubby is for. LOL

Honestly though, I've tried twisting two lengths of 32.
It was a little harder to wrap and the TH actually made me cough.

I may try a lower gauge wire just to have my coil last a little longer, but here in the past few days, I've been so OCD about working out shorts....
I finally have all of my hybrids working like they should with a 3/4 wrap.
Except my AlumiZen, I think I have a minor short or hot spot 'cause I'm getting a little dark juice.

But, 32 wire, 3/4 wrap with all the shorts worked out, and I'm getting nic comas and huge clouds. Finally. LOL
Zens little vid about turning the device rather than pulling the wire around helped tremendously.
That, and I have a crap load of 32.
 

MissEmma

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 16, 2012
4,250
9,135
West Virginia
And here we go. I cleaned my ASH, the coils were very gunky so got them clean as well as the switch and threads. Now...
N-O-T-H-I-N-G, Nada, zilch. I did manage to get one very thin wisp of vapor, but that's it. I changed batteries as mine are getting old....no help at all.

And....have you ever held the botton for a loooonnnngggg time to try to get it to fire and wondered if the coils were even warm? Then you touch the coils and they turn red at that very second? Yeah? Well, don't do that. I have a little coil mark permanently imbedded in my right index finger.

HELP?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread