House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[Murdock Ruml]

I know you all miss karma, so here you go:

WOOOOOOOOOOT

Matched Pair Zenesis Standard 042 and Zenesis Mini 042 have arrived in the most improbable of manners and was delived by a group of little white mice dressed up in a human suit, it was a completely surreal experience talking to a group of mice that were looking out at me thru the view ports where eyes should have been. Sadly, I had left my towel inside so they refused to take me for a ride..........

Both devices set up and vaping perfectly, no problems and no leaks as of yet, honestly best vape ever, amazing TH awesome vapor production, The wick/Air Intake positioning is perfection, there is this awesome thick vapor that is completely enriched with air because of the cyclonic forces created by the shape of the atomizer and the wick positioning, Honestly the fact that you are able to create a device that honestly takes into account all aspects of the engineering is amazing. There are very few people that can see as much in a simple device that can understand the sciences and the interactions of all the different design points, the fact that all aspects of this were planned tweaked, and that even after I am holding 2 of the greatest PV's ever created, not to mention the fact the Genesis atomizer is hands down the best design as well; and yet you are still trying to perfect it further............

I love the LineV2 it looks stunning, I love the G-tank, STURM is the God Father and creator, and I am excited about the versatility of the GTUS, but I can honestly say none of those designs can match the raw science behind the Zenesis. I am not bashing any of these products or Modders, far from it, STURM is one of my engineering idols in this field. Van, innovates and refines creating devices that impress the crap out of me, I can't wait for my silver dog Not only is the zenesis a a marvel of engineering, it is a beautiful as anything STURM has created, it takes the design a step further like Van did, which amazes me. I honestly am aware that you guys are not all the same, that you are all doing your own thing. Honestly this device while made by Zen~ is something that all the modders at Vapor Wall can take pride in. Heck I have no actual influence in this device other then owning 2 of them, and I am as proud as of them as I am my children, my wife, my best friends, and my dogs.

The Zenesis is the penultimate in genesis design, at least for the moment, and is hands down superior to all other Hybrids currently on the market. Zen~ acknowledges being heavily influences by all the amazing modders here at the wall, how their influences encouraged, taught, inspired, and raised the bar for him. I hope that this kind of mutual growth continues to florish here at the wall, and I am thankful to Zen~ not just for this amazing device, but also for being the kind of human being and engineer I try to emulate. This was not my product review this was just me responding to the posts by Del and Later by Zen~, my review will be much more literary,



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[the ob]

that might just send you to the same place he is at right now

we will see.

 

[Murdock Ruml]

that might just send you to the same place he is at right now

we will see.

Really? For quoting a great review of a great product in the supplier's thread of said product?

Now if I pointed people to the vaporwall for his full review that might be different.

 

[Zen~]

You have to get some first.

Zen~'s juice is as hard to get as his APV's

Harder... But not for long... E commerce is coming soon to the house of hybrids, and with it will come an easy way to deal with small orders... Stacie is getting geared up to do order fulfillment, and we have parts bins coming to setup for inventory control... This was never intended to be a "real" business, but it has turned into one by mistake.

A word of caution about my juice... I always use the same ingredients, but the proportions can vary based on my mood. I'm not trying to be a juice manufacturer, I became one as a result of locals that kept asking me to sell them the stuff I vape, because they like it better than the commercial stuff they have had access to. I mix like my grandmother used to cook... Seasoning as I go... And there's a lot of love in it!

You may (will) find that the juice varies from batch to batch... It will always be good, but it will never be the same twice. When I make a PV, I aim for ultra precision... When I mix juice... I go for the emotion.

I have two new flavors coming when the site officially launches... I've been vaping them about two weeks now, and these are real keepers! And they fit right in with Black Ice and Aussie licorice too!

 

[the ob]

Really? For quoting a great review of a great product in the supplier's thread of said product?

Now if I pointed people to the vaporwall for his full review that might be different.

I am not hoping you get in trouble, just be careful.

 

[deemer]

What happened with your crazy expensive to make Luckystrike juice. I remember you saying it wouldn't be for sale, just curious if the project was a success.

 

[Murdock Ruml]

I am not hoping you get in trouble, just be careful.

Edit: I was gonna post a long venting post about how the vaping community sometimes feels like a dictatorship, but decided it would be best if I didn't.

And at that I will drop the topic.

 

[lexi60]

You have to get some first.

Zen~'s juice is as hard to get as his APV's

Maybe... Just Maybe someone will send Murdock a small bottle....
I enjoy his videos!

 

[the ob]

Edit: I was gonna post a long venting post about how the vaping community sometimes feels like a dictatorship, but decided it would be best if I didn't.

And at that I will drop the topic.

I am on your team. trust me. I am just more cautious after what happened to our friend and I like having you around. I was in NO way trying to tell you what to do or anything related to that.

I hope you did not take my posts otherwise.

 

[Zen~]

evening all.

ok. a couple of basic questions.

1) does the coil need to season as well as the wick?

2) what are the dimensions of zens mesh when first cut?

3) how many hours of use do most use the devices before the flavor fully kicks in?

1: A little... The better you get at making coils and sorting out shorts, the faster they come up to speed.

2: Around 13/16" for me... And the first round that I shipped were roughly that size... The ones I shipped yesterday have been reduced to 9/16" and that's where they will remain... They will swell up as they ship and will still need to be rolled down a bit to fit in the hole.

3: it's a funny thing... When I got my first mesh/coil atty it took me a few weeks to get the flavor right... It was a combination of not getting the coil perfect and getting used to the MUCH lighter draw that device had... And the draw on THAT was way more open than the zenesis is. But once I had it dialed in...every mesh and cool I put on it was up to speed in hours. So while the really unsatisfying answer is "your mileage may vary" the real fact is that it will vary with experience... When you get it right... And you will get it right... The vape is satisfying pretty quickly. If the flavor is off... It's probably the setup.

The most frustrating thing about shipping built attys is the vibration of shipping knocks em out of whack... And if the PV is being shipped to a newcomer to mesh/coil, they don't know how to do ten seconds worth of adjusting to get it back to correct.., instead it's hours or even weeks of learning curve... This of course is something I recently learned, being the first person to ship setup mesh/coil hybrids... The reality is that every PV is shipped with a PERFECT coil and mesh... Shipping does them in, and I could get them perfect again in less than a minute... But the only way to learn is to do... It's good for your growth as a Zenfidel!

 

[Murdock Ruml]

I am on your team. trust me. I am just more cautious after what happened to our friend and I like having you around. I was in NO way trying to tell you what to do or anything related to that.

I hope you did not take my posts otherwise.

No OB your good. Sorry if you felt that was aimed at you. It was not.

Now, remember; we dropped the topic.

 

[Zen~]

What happened with your crazy expensive to make Luckystrike juice. I remember you saying it wouldn't be for sale, just curious if the project was a success.

Well, it hit the back burner for just a bit... A machine is being built soon that will be used in the production of that juice, and it will come to market... It will be available on a limited basis at the HoH site... And in larger quantities under exclusive license at Bombay Vaping... As a straight up juice, the stuff is simply amazing... As a flavor base in the hands of a juicing genius like Sayer Kho, it will be some of the best juice ever produced... The juice in question isn't my creation... I'm helping the guy that came up with the concept, scale up... so it doesn't have to cost a couple bucks per Ml

 

[Zen~]

Now, remember; we dropped the topic.

Umm... Who left this topic on the floor so anybody walking through could trip in it? Pick that up and dispose of it properly.... Kids these days, I'll tell you what.

 

[the ob]

1: A little... The better you get at making coils and sorting out shorts, the faster they come up to speed.

2: Around 13/16" for me... And the first round that I shipped were roughly that size... The ones I shipped yesterday have been reduced to 9/16" and that's where they will remain... They will swell up as they ship and will still need to be rolled down a bit to fit in the hole.

3: it's a funny thing... When I got my first mesh/coil atty it took me a few weeks to get the flavor right... It was a combination of not getting the coil perfect and getting used to the MUCH lighter draw that device had... And the draw on THAT was way more open than the zenesis is. But once I had it dialed in...every mesh and cool I put on it was up to speed in hours. So while the really unsatisfying answer is "your mileage may vary" the real fact is that it will vary with experience... When you get it right... And you will get it right... The vape is satisfying pretty quickly. If the flavor is off... It's probably the setup.

The most frustrating thing about shipping built attys is the vibration of shipping knocks em out of whack... And if the PV is being shipped to a newcomer to mesh/coil, they don't know how to do ten seconds worth of adjusting to get it back to correct.., instead it's hours or even weeks of learning curve... This of course is something I recently learned, being the first person to ship setup mesh/coil hybrids... The reality is that every PV is shipped with a PERFECT coil and mesh... Shipping does them in, and I could get them perfect again in less than a minute... But the only way to learn is to do... It's good for your growth as a Zenfidel!

are the dimensions you gave the length and width? In US measurements?

do people draw much slower on there than on traditional attys?

what are the main things that will throw the setup off? The mesh or the coil?

I have watched the video on sorting out shorts, but what happens when someone cannot get them all firing at the same time all the time?

 

[the ob]

1: A little... The better you get at making coils and sorting out shorts, the faster they come up to speed.

2: Around 13/16" for me... And the first round that I shipped were roughly that size... The ones I shipped yesterday have been reduced to 9/16" and that's where they will remain... They will swell up as they ship and will still need to be rolled down a bit to fit in the hole.

3: it's a funny thing... When I got my first mesh/coil atty it took me a few weeks to get the flavor right... It was a combination of not getting the coil perfect and getting used to the MUCH lighter draw that device had... And the draw on THAT was way more open than the zenesis is. But once I had it dialed in...every mesh and cool I put on it was up to speed in hours. So while the really unsatisfying answer is "your mileage may vary" the real fact is that it will vary with experience... When you get it right... And you will get it right... The vape is satisfying pretty quickly. If the flavor is off... It's probably the setup.

The most frustrating thing about shipping built attys is the vibration of shipping knocks em out of whack... And if the PV is being shipped to a newcomer to mesh/coil, they don't know how to do ten seconds worth of adjusting to get it back to correct.., instead it's hours or even weeks of learning curve... This of course is something I recently learned, being the first person to ship setup mesh/coil hybrids... The reality is that every PV is shipped with a PERFECT coil and mesh... Shipping does them in, and I could get them perfect again in less than a minute... But the only way to learn is to do... It's good for your growth as a Zenfidel!

edit. double for some reason

 

[vicsan]

I know you all miss karma, so here you go:

Niiiice. Thanks so much, Murdock.

 

[the ob]

I was wondering about draw specifically.

Is it much different on there than other attys?

I traditionally used hh 357's. I know on those I had to draw hard.

I also walk hard.

 

[sinnyc]

I was wondering about draw specifically.

Is it much different on there than other attys?

I traditionally used hh 357's. I know on those I had to draw hard.

I also walk hard.

I find that a lighter, slightly slower draw works best. You're not trying to suck juice up to the coil like in a 306.

- Tim

 

[RippleInStillWater]

1: A little... The better you get at making coils and sorting out shorts, the faster they come up to speed.

2: Around 13/16" for me... And the first round that I shipped were roughly that size... The ones I shipped yesterday have been reduced to 9/16" and that's where they will remain... They will swell up as they ship and will still need to be rolled down a bit to fit in the hole.

3: it's a funny thing... When I got my first mesh/coil atty it took me a few weeks to get the flavor right... It was a combination of not getting the coil perfect and getting used to the MUCH lighter draw that device had... And the draw on THAT was way more open than the zenesis is. But once I had it dialed in...every mesh and cool I put on it was up to speed in hours. So while the really unsatisfying answer is "your mileage may vary" the real fact is that it will vary with experience... When you get it right... And you will get it right... The vape is satisfying pretty quickly. If the flavor is off... It's probably the setup.

The most frustrating thing about shipping built attys is the vibration of shipping knocks em out of whack... And if the PV is being shipped to a newcomer to mesh/coil, they don't know how to do ten seconds worth of adjusting to get it back to correct.., instead it's hours or even weeks of learning curve... This of course is something I recently learned, being the first person to ship setup mesh/coil hybrids... The reality is that every PV is shipped with a PERFECT coil and mesh... Shipping does them in, and I could get them perfect again in less than a minute... But the only way to learn is to do... It's good for your growth as a Zenfidel!

Makes me glad I'm getting it in person!!!

 

[sinnyc]

ob,

One more thing I should mention is patience. Don't be tempted to just rip out the coil and start again. Take it from someone who didn't follow this advice

I've made nearly a dozen wicks and have wrapped twice that number of coils. Some of this was because I wanted to see how different widths of wick worked and some was just to practice wrapping coils. However, a goodly number were because I'm an impatient son of a b!tch and am perpetually convinced I can do it better.

What I've found is that basically any wick width and any coil will work if you take the time to A) let the wick break in; B) let the coil break in and C) check for shorts and then, after you've removed them, leave the damn thing alone

- Tim