House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[lorderos33]

That explains some. Who would have guessed so many people would have one, and with this huge 12,000 post thread I would never have guessed it was not even out yet.

Hey now. I didnt see or make any conclusions. Only question/fact seeking. Is the pot calling the kettle black here?
Put the claws back in. This is not even out yet. What if u get it and its not any good? All the reviews show a decent lack of vapor IMO. This is where all the sheep hang out or what?

Actually Striker911, it is out and has been out for some time. There are a pretty decent amount of Zenesis Standard and Mini APVs out "in the wild" as Zen~ puts it. Many of the people here are speaking from experience when they say how great the Zenesis is. True, the shop is just getting off the ground but there somewhere around 200 devices out that were pre-purchased and the few of those pre-purchased ones that haven't gone out will go out very shortly (at least I believe they will).

As for the lack of vapor you are referring to. One thing I can say from experience with Genisis APVs or mods, however you prefer, is that they can produce as much vapor as anything out there and they have amazing flavor. If/when you do decide to get one you will see. I attribute the lack of vapor in videos to either be high PG juice or fresh non-broken in atomizers or new Genisis users still figuring the devices out. I get very big and very thick clouds from ALL of my Genisis mods using a 50/50 mix and ALL of them are running standard IMR 3.7 volt batteries. No VV or VW, no booster circuits (I do own a Provari, but don't use any Genesis attys on it anymore because I prefer full mechanical battery mods or Hybrids.

I have tried everything there is out there (just about anyway) and one thing I can say, without a doubt in my mind, is that the Genisis design is far and away superior to anything else that I have tried manufactured or rebuildable. I can also stand behind the fact that the Zenesis APV is very near the top of the scale for quality and ease of use in a Hybrid Genisis design regardless of cost. Mike is also an amazing vendor who stands behind his product 100% and has proven time ant time again that he is committed to providing the very best customer service experience to all of his customers.

Also Striker, I am bearing no claws here. I am simply giving you the facts. Welcome to the group if you decide to stay and join in the fun and excellence of vaping found here. If you decide it's not for you, at least you know what it's all about.

Have a great weekend and hopefully you decide to get a Zenesis once they become available on the House of Hybrids website and see for yourself what those of us who own them are experiencing.

 

[lorderos33]

Ive been aching to get a zenesis for ever since ive seen how good it is, I hope i dont miss out when it goes online..

You won't. From what I understand, there will be plenty for everyone. If not, Zen will make more

 

[Paradisevap]

Lorderos is right its not all about visible vapor, the taste and density and efficiency of the Zenesis APV is amazingly awesome.

 

[Mr. P]

Lorderos is right its not all about visible vapor, the taste and density and efficiency of the Zenesis APV is amazingly awesome.

Keep in mind Paradise that to a lot of newbies, and others, vapor has a lot to do with quitting smoking. Along with TH, vapor plays a psychological part in vaping to help them quit the analogs. So when someone mentions that it doesn't produce enough vapor or TH we can't just mention taste, we have to help them past the mental part as well.

 

[Zen~]

also more wraps = more vapor at higher voltage. the more surface that you heat the more vapor you will be able to produce. Look up ohm/watts law for the formula

No really... don't do that... there is no need to know math or formulas of this type to enjoy a nice pleasant vape.

I did the math already... watts x ohms over voltage equals: STOP FIDGETING WITH IT, SHUT UP AND VAPE!

I have this saved from Riddle (I think):

3-4 wraps of 32g Kanthal will be between 1.4-1.7 ohm
3-4 wraps of 34g Kanthal will be between 2.0-2.4 ohm
More wraps...higher resistance....cooler vapor
Less wraps....lower resistance.....warmer vapor

While this is all true... nobody needs to know anything except the last two lines...

just plug in the #'s Ohm's Law Calculations With Power

the 4 wrap coil on my standard measures out at 2.0 ohms.... the 4 wrap coil on my mini measures out at 2.1 ohms....both are 32ga. A-1 kanthal...

LOL... don't make me put you into time out!

Yep... Full function of the provari with 7 wraps....

ob I'm using 5 wraps at 2.2
I used a 901 2.0 smoktech atty at 4.1 to 4.3v on my provari
4.2 to 3.7 of course on my SS GGTS
And 8.7 watts on my Darwin

NUMBERS ARE BURNING MY EYES! MAKE IT STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

thanks. I am just wondering if I was used to 1.5's if four is still going to be better for me. I had a five wrapped at one point and re-did it based on the bottom coil not glowing. I might give it another shot now that I am armed with new info.

I do have the coil seasoned well. I am just wondering if I will screw it up by going to 5 or if I will be ok.

Just try it! You make some seriously good coils now... the time has come to stop fidgeting and JUST VAPE IT!

Based on my research what I have found is as follows: The reason I believe resistance is so widely used is because of the popularity of the ego battery that produces 3.7 volts. So 3.7 volts at 2.2 ohms = 6.2 watts. That really didn't produce a cigarette like effect. most people wanted more vapor and throat hit that simulated a real cigarette. 6 watts just wasn't working for most people, at least not me. By the looks of not to many other people either. Hence a lot of mods were produced to provided the desired effect. Lower ohm attys carts ect, by the way most people like vaping at or around 9-11 watts, which more closely simulates a rear cigarette, throat hit, vapor production ect. Low resistance products were producing around 9 watts. {3.7v at 1.5ohs = 9watts.} The use of ohms took off. That's why the term low resistance is so popular. This is what I believe.

What I believe is that people should never have to become an engineer to enjoy a nice pleasant vape.

The math and calculations stand as a barrier that scares people away from something that is truly simple to master if you JUST DON'T OVER THINK it...

@Len... you're a mechanic and from what I can see, you're a good one... do your customers NEED to know the compression ratio of their engine to enjoy a nice ride in the country? Do they NEED to know how many G's their car will pull in a corner? Do they NEED to know the flow-rate of their fuel injection system?

People... Stop the madness...

STOP FIDGETING AND VAPE... Too HOT or Too HARSH? Add a coil... Too Cool, remove one!

ENOUGH with the watts and ohms....

 

[the ob]

I have always thought the vapor thing was interesting. I have always wondered why so many were obsessed with the vapor amounts their devices created. That being said, when not enough vapor is produced, I often wonder what is wrong.

to me, the taste in the key.

When I think back about what I liked about smoking, it was not the huge smoke clouds that I could create that made me love it. I have always focused on the taste. that being said, I generally do not vape tobacco flavors. I think this is in part because I do not want this to be like smoking to me, but something else entirely. I can totally understand why people would gravitate towards tobacco flavors or away from them.

To me, there has to be balance. Balance between the vapor and taste. to each his (or her) own of course.

 

[the ob]

zen,

I am not quoting your post to keep this clean.

If I am understanding your correctly, and I just want to make sure. I think you are saying.

Stop fidgeting and just vape these things?

 

[Zen~]

HAHAHAHA....

you're not going to believe this...

look at Definition #2

We are famous now!

Urban Dictionary: Zenfidel

 

[Paradisevap]

Keep in mind Paradise that to a lot of newbies, and others, vapor has a lot to do with quitting smoking. Along with TH, vapor plays a psychological part in vaping to help them quit the analogs. So when someone mentions that it doesn't produce enough vapor or TH we can't just mention taste, we have to help them past the mental part as well.

I should have deleted the whole comment ..... I couldnt get my second sentence from my head to the keyboard again (dam head and neck injuries) And by saying he was right I was agreeing to what he was saying about it


I know it puts off tons of wonderful vapor, and im one that doesnt seem to get as much visible vapor as most

 

[Zen~]

zen,

I am not quoting your post to keep this clean.

If I am understanding your correctly, and I just want to make sure. I think you are saying.

Stop fidgeting and just vape these things?

Something to that effect...

 

[Mr. P]

I have always thought the vapor thing was interesting. I have always wondered why so many were obsessed with the vapor amounts their devices created. That being said, when not enough vapor is produced, I often wonder what is wrong.

to me, the taste in the key.

When I think back about what I liked about smoking, it was not the huge smoke clouds that I could create that made me love it. I have always focused on the taste. that being said, I generally do not vape tobacco flavors. I think this is in part because I do not want this to be like smoking to me, but something else entirely. I can totally understand why people would gravitate towards tobacco flavors or away from them.

To me, there has to be balance. Balance between the vapor and taste. to each his (or her) own of course.

I understand where you are coming from but many who have smoked for 10,20, or 30 years can't get past the vape amount. If there were no vape involved at all and just taste many would not stick with it. Like I said, it is a mental thing just like smoking.

I only vape tabacco juices even tho none of them even taste like tobacco. If I wanted cheesecake I would eat it not vape it

 

[Zen~]

I know it puts off tons of wonderful vapor, and im one that doesnt seem to get as much visible vapor as most

Draw just a weeeeeee bit lighter with the hole right over the coil...

 

[lorderos33]

Keep in mind Paradise that to a lot of newbies, and others, vapor has a lot to do with quitting smoking. Along with TH, vapor plays a psychological part in vaping to help them quit the analogs. So when someone mentions that it doesn't produce enough vapor or TH we can't just mention taste, we have to help them past the mental part as well.

I may have been slightly misunderstood... The Zenesis should produce big clouds of vapor (unless of course you are running very high to 100% PG or one of those "smokeless" stealth juices) but even high PG juice produces a better than average cloud in these devices. Again, there are reasons that you don't see alot of vapor in videos sometimes (usually because of a new coil being vaped vs. a broken in and seasoned one or a juice that typically does not make alot of visible vapor). I always get massive thick clouds from all of my Genisis APVs and the Zenesis is no exception. From time to time I even get clouds so big that I choke on exhale (rare because I know how my juices perform typically, but it happens ).

 

[the ob]

HAHAHAHA....

you're not going to believe this...

look at Definition #2

We are famous now!

Urban Dictionary: Zenfidel

what do you mean NOW?

I want us to be #1. but I always want to win.

 

[the ob]

I understand where you are coming from but many who have smoked for 10,20, or 30 years can't get past the vape amount. If there were no vape involved at all and just taste many would not stick with it. Like I said, it is a mental thing just like smoking.

I only vape tabacco juices even tho none of them even taste like tobacco. If I wanted cheesecake I would eat it not vape it

I was agreeing with you. I just find it interesting how important the vapor is to a lot of people. It is interesting psychology. I always thought I did not care at all about vapor. I have realized that it does play a important role. What is funny is that sometimes I product too much and I wish it was less

different strokes for different folks

ps I smoked for about 25 years off and on. I think I purposely do not want the association. I completely understand why some do want it.

pps, with the right draw, even with my new 5 wraps, I am getting massive amounts of vapor right now.

 

[bumpi]

Ive been aching to get a zenesis for ever since ive seen how good it is, I hope i dont miss out when it goes online..

Once it goes online his production level should keep em in stock and available

 

[Mr. P]

If I vape cheesecake then I will want to eat cheesecake and I don't lose the weight as easy as I did when younger

 

[Paradisevap]

Draw just a weeeeeee bit lighter with the hole right over the coil...

Vape is fine





- the Dent's and Shorts Between my head and the keyboard is another story

 

[lorderos33]

No really... don't do that... there is no need to know math or formulas of this type to enjoy a nice pleasant vape.

I did the math already... watts x ohms over voltage equals: STOP FIDGETING WITH IT, SHUT UP AND VAPE!



While this is all true... nobody needs to know anything except the last two lines...




LOL... don't make me put you into time out!



NUMBERS ARE BURNING MY EYES! MAKE IT STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!



Just try it! You make some seriously good coils now... the time has come to stop fidgeting and JUST VAPE IT!



What I believe is that people should never have to become an engineer to enjoy a nice pleasant vape.

The math and calculations stand as a barrier that scares people away from something that is truly simple to master if you JUST DON'T OVER THINK it...

@Len... you're a mechanic and from what I can see, you're a good one... do your customers NEED to know the compression ratio of their engine to enjoy a nice ride in the country? Do they NEED to know how many G's their car will pull in a corner? Do they NEED to know the flow-rate of their fuel injection system?

People... Stop the madness...

STOP FIDGETING AND VAPE... Too HOT or Too HARSH? Add a coil... Too Cool, remove one!

ENOUGH with the watts and ohms....

Sorry Zen~, some of us cling to the old methodology of having to measure and quantify every aspect of performance from our PVs. I try not to get into the numbers and formulas anymore and I think I've been good about that as of late. I think the others are coming around too. For a thread this long about a Hybrid Genisis APV there are surprisingly few technical math/formula/physics type posts in here.

We love ya Zen~ and most of us are trying (reluctantly at times) to hang up our lab coats

 

[Paradisevap]

If I vape cheesecake then I will want to eat cheesecake and I don't lose the weight as easy as I did when younger

See when I vape Desert stuff I dont snack as much