House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[Scottinboca]

Zen~, I don't know about bragging rights, but do you know how much @$$ I've gotten showing off my Zenesis!

 

[pchela]

I wish I could triple like that post! Very well said, as usual. I do not like the ugliness... let's get back to the fun snark and sarcasm and love usually abundant in this thread!

 

[thejager]

nice

i dont know about others but i would probably consider sending mine back to get it changed to no serial...though that woud be a lot of work

 

[Striker911]

Then Fine...

I will NOT stop serials...

I'll make DUPLICATES... There will be NO MORE NUMBERS OVER 210... BUT... There will be MANY of the same number!

I am hell bent on screwing up this low serial = big dollars paradigm

Make a statement Mike and number them all 1. They are #1 to so many people anyways.


Okay. Finally caught back up. My ViVi Nova tank says 2.4. Im so ....... On the other hand the value on this Nova was zero before I got it. Just didnt know it yet. I want off this roller coaster.

 

[Jimblob]

Yeah I see your point re the numbers. I couldnt give a stuff about numbers, or bragging rights.

Thats why I would like a standard instead of the one with a giant diamond on it.

Just a quality made APV, that simply works )

 

[wh01sjongalt]

I have a low number I would like to sell for 10$ USA money. Anyone interested?

Just how low are we talking?

negative or positive integers below 10?

 

[zygote]

And Ob, just grounded me...

I needed that.

I'm going to share a thought now about why this upset me the way it did.

I don't know the serial numbers of my 3 GGs... I've seen them... I don't know them. Mine are higher than some, and lower than others.

They are very nice PVs.

I have other PVs with serial numbers... I think... but I don't know the numbers.

I place NO value on the specific numbers. I don't give them even the slightest consideration.

I truly don't care what they are.

I own several wonderful limited edition works by Hiashi Otsuka Hisashi Otsuka

I don't know the edition numbers... they are higher than some and lower than others.

They inspire me when I look at them... I don't see the numbers.

The Serial Number on the Zenesis is not emblazoned out in the open... it was never intended to create competition of value. It's an identifying mark... it was never intended to add or lower value. It's the true name of the PV... "This one is 0024", and "that one is 0101"...

They are not designed to create a hierarchy.

They are not designed to provide bragging rights.

And even though, for the most part and with very few exceptions, they were made in linear order, this isn't supposed to be anything more than a simple identifying mark.

I never intended for there to be status associated with the serial number.

I don't care about them, but having an identifying mark is good... when 6 people are vaping together and they all have their identival PVs on the table... it's good to be able to Identify yours.

That's the whole Idea.

I don't like the competition that it has caused, or the ill feelings. (Both mine, and others)

I don't like the accusation that I somehow ruined the value of the PV buy doing the right thing earlier on, and shipping them out of order instead of halting production... that would have been a little silly. Like I said... the numbers mean nothing to me... and I truly wish they could mean nothing to anybody that owns one. Value was never the intent.

I'm actually considering dropping the numbers and calling it an "open edition" with no serial numbers at all.

The problem with THAT is that it would once again raise the importance of the numbers and people with numbers will hold a higher status than those without. The competition continues.

But I especially didn't like the ugly feeling of true disdain that came from Cardsligers post. It was seething with anger, disappointment and contempt. Some would call it a cheap shot... I won't judge it that way... I see it as misdirected energy.

His further justification of "bragging rights" pushed me deeper into my ire!

Are we to assume that people should position themselves in here based on their serial number?

I would far rather see somebody brag that they own a Zenesis than Brag that they have a low serial number... which by the way... these are ALL low serials that have been shipped...

It's just not in my nature to see the value in a low serial number! I do know others will disagree, but It isn't my intent to entertain that.

But Obs post tugged at me... Calmed me down... reminded me of the Japanese garden in my own back yard, which has yet to be brought into spring condition.

My favorite Lotus has no serial number... But the beauty is astounding...

The sound of the frogs that make this place their home by depostitng 25 billion eggs each year... and croak through the night... they have no serial numbers either. And they enrich my life in a way that NO PV can ever do.

I value these things far above any PV I own... Far above any possession... far and away beyond any physical thing...

Peacefulness... Mindfulness... calmness... Joy...

No serial numbers on this stuff... and that raises the value.

My friends with gardens don't call me and brag that their water lilies are in bloom before mine... They don't compare how many Water Hyacinths have blossomed... or that they got theirs before me.

Serial numbers brought out the ugly side of man... the competitiveness... the braggadocio... one-upsmanship.

I wish I never put serials on them.... but the damage is done... to take them off, well... they makes things uglier... counter to my goal... To continue to use them, well... it fuels the fire!

So... I think the best course of action is to continue... and I will make it well known that these will ship in absolutely random order (within their production runs)

I simply cannot have the number on the PV give an advantage to one person over an other and I refuse to classify people by their timeliness in purchasing a PV.

It would be a slap in the face of everybody involved to create a hierarchy based on who got here first.

We are ALL the same... One Zenfidel is equally as significant as another... Your serial number doesn't define you... and it will not be allowed to.

And I don't ever wish to see this kind of ugliness surrounding this issue again.

Who are you Zen~ a man of wisdom a man of intellect or just a man who seeks peace in a sometimes un peaceful world.

 

[pumasforpets]

Then Fine...

I will NOT stop serials...

I'll make DUPLICATES... There will be NO MORE NUMBERS OVER 210... BUT... There will be MANY of the same number!

I am hell bent on screwing up this low serial = big dollars paradigm

I've said before, I call mine #6600. The reason for that is I truly hope to see you and the Zenesis become that successful.

We are ALL the same... One Zenfidel is equally as significant as another... Your serial number doesn't define you... and it will not be allowed to.

Amen. Very Tyler Durden-esqe though on the other side of the coin

 

[Ma'am]

Zen~, I don't know about bragging rights, but do you know how much @$$ I've gotten showing off my Zenesis!

TMI, Scott, TMI!! I could have lived the rest of my life not knowing that you pimp your Zenesis! ROFL!

 

[zygote]

i thought numbers came about in the early days of printing and stamping, so as the plates and dyes were fresh and they knew when to change them after a certian number

 

[lexi60]

I like my serial numbers. To me, it just shows i've been there from the beginning.
My mini also has machining flaws. But I love how it makes it unique! Nice texture, blueing marks from the heat of the bit, in. the light it shows beautiful colors!
I've had people offer me insane money for my Zens. Nope, not even close! These will be mine forever!

 

[BrandonSi]

So I'm going to be that guy who walks into the party during an awkward moment and says something stupid, and everyone turns and looks at him like "did he just !$!@#@!# say that?".. so bear with me for a minute.. but...

where do I find my serial number?

 

[zygote]

does anybody like bluemist juice, i haven't got a bad flavor yet, they make some good juice

 

[sachavaca]

I agree about the # crap and wished mine did not have one, Expressed my feelings from the start. You will not find my # listed in the zenesis group either, always seemed a bit tacky for my taste.

 

[Scottinboca]

Try their crab juice!!!

does anybody like bluemist juice, i haven't got a bad flavor yet, they make some good juice

 

[pchela]

So I'm going to be that guy who walks into the party during an awkward moment and says something stupid, and everyone turns and looks at him like "did he just !$!@#@!# say that?".. so bear with me for a minute.. but...

where do I find my serial number?

This made me laugh so much!

Check the post inside the tank but remember, the number is not important!

 

[pchela]

I agree about the # crap and wished mine did not have one, Expressed my feelings from the start. You will not find my # listed in the zenesis group either, always seemed a bit tacky for my taste.

To me, it's just a way to keep track of who has what. Nothing to do with bragging rights... mine is a high number (relatively) - doesn't stop me from bragging about my Zini!

 

[zygote]

Try their crab juice!!!

are you serious? I got the crabs once it was not fun very itchy actually.

 

[BrandonSi]

Thanks.. Then I guess I have either 0091 or 1600.. Good to know..

back to your regularly scheduled lotus, zen, flowers, sand and waves..

 

[the ob]

zen glad I could help in some small way.

I should let you know that you started it however.

what I mean is that the reason I ended up at the Japanese Gardens today, was because of your post from the other day. I woke up today on edge and snapped at my GF for things that were largely not her fault. I thought about your post from the other day and decided I needed to find my own "zen" today. That led to my trip to the gardens.

So thank you once again.