House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[bumpi]

Ok... you're a materials science guy...

You have metal INSIDE the glass with O rings on it...

What happens when the metal expands?

Crack....and all the kings horses and all the kings men can't crazy glue ur tank together again

 

[Zen~]

Crack....and all the kings horses and all the kings men can't crazy glue ur tank together again

and maybe, just maybe, you didn't get glass in your face!

 

[Zen~]

Key word "ON"

Why does the metal have to be on the inside in the first place? I admit to being a fool at points and this probably one of them.

Look at the design of the tank atty section... if you can figure out a way to put a piece of metal through the center of the tank, while still keeping it on the outside, then you have some kind of crazy command over space and time.

 

[readmermaid]

Hi, everybody! I'm officially a Zenfidel!

Or Zenfidel-in-waiting, anyway. Sent my PM to Zen last night for a Mini in March. Quite a ring to it, right?

Nate, I am in St. Petersburg and adore it. Karmachine, you must have children, "....to Zenfinity and beyond!" LOL.

Zen, I know from nothing about the physics involved with tank materials but color choices would be lovely. People like options. I also know from nothing about the properties of metal but your explanation of cold-welding made me think of dove-tailing and mortise and tenon joints in woodworking, which I do know a little about. Oh, the possible future applications are so exciting....

Also, I can honestly say that I do prefer vaping to smoking. It's not a poor second choice compromise for me. If a 'safe' tobacco cigarette option were to turn up tomorrow, I would turn my nose up at it in favor of vaping, forever.

And so, we march on toward Zenadu....

 

[Zen~]

while would i have to be a master of space and time to make a double thread glass cylinder that screws into a base and then has a cap that screws down on to it, I don't see where metal has to go through the polycarbonate anywhere so why would I have to create new rules to do it with glass?

I need to increase my verbosity, I keep forgetting that people don't take all the steps I take if I don't convery them............So I will drop this, you know a lot of things I do not, and you are more knowledgable about these applications. I was trying to be a smartass at first......but now......I realize I need to shut up instead of causing you aggrivation.

You're forgetting the electrical connections, the ability to put the vape chamber cover on, etc... look at my avatar... you can see the entire section that passes through the clear tube there

 

[Zen~]

You are right I was forgeting that, I basically made the stupid mistake of thinking this was like every other PV on some level, and that section between the atomizer and the tank were not a solid piece. Your design is just to good to allow certain design flaws like glass that can break.........COMPLETELY FORGOT ONE OF THE MAIN REASON I WANT THIS.....................

I was hoping you were on to something, but we can't redesign the PV to put glass there. It does frustrate me that people want Pyrex... but nobody else has done it either. Pyrex with Delrin, yes, that can be done... but Stainless isn't going to happen without a complete new way of looking at the upper section. even then, the materials are so different, we may not have the clearances available to make a reliable seal

 

[Scubabatdan]

Look at the design of the tank atty section... if you can figure out a way to put a piece of metal through the center of the tank, while still keeping it on the outside, then you have some kind of crazy command over space and time.

LOL, I aready have one designed to use pyrex with metal on the inside and out no funky space thing going on here and will seal perfectly with out degrading over time.
Dan

 

[sinnyc]

LOL, I aready have one designed to use pyrex with metal on the inside and out no funky space thing going on here and will seal perfectly with out degrading over time.
Dan

Is the glass threaded or press fit with gaskets, Dan?

- Tim

 

[Zen~]

LOL, I aready have one designed to use pyrex with metal on the inside and out no funky space thing going on here and will seal perfectly with out degrading over time.
Dan

Very cool... has it been tested with temperature extremes?

 

[pseudus]

 

[Zen~]

Well... just to be clear... I am NOT pursuing Pyrex until there are known working solutions in the market place that have stood the test of time.

As I've said before, Nobody has made a Pyrex tank that will work with internal metal putting pressure on the glass yet, and when it happens and can be proven to be temperature stable in northern climates where the temp extremes are really pronounced, I will explore it.

Everything about the Zenesis PV has been well tested over and over again... I'm not going to make a hail Mary play for Pyrex in the 11th hour, only to end up with an unreliable product.

 

[readmermaid]

I feel the same way:

And, then, just when all hope was lost, Dan came riding up with his white (er, black) hat to save the day. "Here, fellas," says Dan, "I had the treasure map under my hat all along. Hey, you can have it." Hands over schematic, rides off into the sunset and the Zenfidels lived happily ever after....

 

[evosil98]

Will a stainless steel option be available in the future?

 

[readmermaid]

But, seriously, what's wrong with your original idea of using (different colors available) polypropylene, other than it showing wear faster?

 

[sinnyc]

Well... just to be clear... I am NOT pursuing Pyrex until there are known working solutions in the market place that have stood the test of time.

As I've said before, Nobody has made a Pyrex tank that will work with internal metal putting pressure on the glass yet, and when it happens and can be proven to be temperature stable in northern climates where the temp extremes are really pronounced, I will explore it.

Everything about the Zenesis PV has been well tested over and over again... I'm not going to make a hail Mary play for Pyrex in the 11th hour, only to end up with an unreliable product.

Preach on, brother Zen~ !

Amen!

- Tim

 

[Zen~]

Will a stainless steel option be available in the future?

The PV is 100% 316LVM Stainless steel now! Except for the tank... and stainless replacement tanks will be available soon, as an option/upgrade.

 

[Zen~]

But, seriously, what's wrong with your original idea of using (different colors available) polypropylene, other than it showing wear faster?

I'm working on that as an option... sourcing the material in the correct size is the issue at this time.

 

[sinnyc]

I should add that it's important to remember that this isn't the last mod Zen~ will ever make. Go back to the early pages and you'll find pix of the many devices he's already created. The Zenesis is only the current iteration.

I think some of us (me included with my request for a carbon fiber version ) are getting a little out of hand and are close to putting the cart in front of the horse. Rather than worrying about what else we all want right now, let's just sit back and let the man get his first production runs successfully built and delivered. He needs to recoup his financial outlays, his peace of mind, and his sleep After that, he'll get going on the other devices he's already mentioned such as the Dragon.

All good things in all good time.

- Tim

 

[Zen~]

I can't be all things to all people...

If I try, I will most certainly fail.

 

[Shaitaan]

The metal will expand shattering the glass. Why not metal on the outside with a gasket seal? That is why caps go on the outside.....and I am being to literal and a smart alec I was trying to just prove that they put metal caps on glass..........(slaps own wrist)

but why change a simple and already working design, only for something that would be a swapable part? not everyone wants the glass...