House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[wh01sjongalt]

I was wondering about draw specifically.

Is it much different on there than other attys?

I traditionally used hh 357's. I know on those I had to draw hard.

I also walk hard.

Hannah u ....! J/k.
(I think it's from a Steve Martin Movie, No?)

 

[Len Warren]

Buddy of mine building a lazy susan for my pv's and apv. It will be a show case of sorts. Place for juices at bottom that will spin too and a place multiple pv's that will also spin. and all in a glass case

 

[Paislia]

... Some of the information I released is starting to appear in another designers product... Can't tell if it's coincidence or it served as inspiration, but it's there and it has given me reason for pause regarding the hints.

This makes me sad. I really hope it's a coincidence. But from here on perhaps the hints more along the lines of "it's not made of peanut butter" would be a prudent path.

PS: Cleaning the atty AND charging the battery did wonders. I almost look forward to rooting out that inevitable coil short now -carry on.

 

[Paradisevap]

Hannah u ....! J/k.
(I think it's from a Steve Martin Movie, No?)

My favorite Steve Martin Movie line has always Been "All I need is this Remote, This Chair and My Zenesis APV"

(ok I modified it alil to stay with the times "

 

[Zen~]

I just completed a long response to a great supporter of the Zenesis PV... he was asking about where we are at with the switch upgrades, and I more or less vented on him... which he really didn't deserve because nobody has any clue what is going on behind the scenes regarding this issue... and that's entirely my fault...

Just so he doesn't feel singled out, I've decided to share the situation with everybody, because if you don't know what's happening, that's because I failed to keep you in the loop...

He was asking me to send parts, which is what I originally said I would do... until it was discovered that there is a teeeeeeeeny tolerance issue to be dealt with... that's when I decided I am going to build entirely new switch assembly's and ship them complete and fully tested. For those that cannot wait... I have offered to have the PV shipped back and I will repair it then return it, that way I will know if everything will function.

The bottom line is I have no idea if the switch button will even FIT your housing... The ever so slightly loose tolerances on the original didn't point out that about 25% of the housings were under by a couple thousandths, and if I send you a button that won't fit I continue to FURTHER enhance the bank account of the post office.

My plan is to get in the switch housings and build full replacement switches. When that's done... ship people one package with a return mailer... do you all realize that's over $1000.00 in postage alone for the round trip? Replacement buttons were 1500.00... Magnet Replacements for the new switch configuration... another 300.00...Replacement tanks... hold onto your hat... 400.00...

that's 3200 bucks... for a couple of little errors... it works out to $32.00 per Febbie... (by the way, I totally botched the math when I sent it to him... these are the corrected numbers, but it's still bad)

Haste is making waste at break-neck speed here.

All things considered, I've kept a pretty even keel here considering the issues... I have received hate mail about this stuff too... really venomous hate...

If people are in a hurry, and really want things sooner, send me the PV... I will fix it and it will be right.

If you don't wish to send it, I cannot continue to keep hemorrhaging money and we can deal with it when I have ALL the parts to complete ALL the upgrades.

I tried this out... it has been a catastrophe, and my only hope for survival in the endeavor is to press on regardless... and so far pretty fair percentage of the payment requests for march have gone unanswered... I'll need to close the door on those and notify the next group that those PVs are available... I've lost a fortune so far and it's not getting better.

I'm sorry.

 

[wickedalibi]

My favorite Steve Martin Movie line has always Been "All I need is this Remote, This Chair and My Zenesis APV"

(ok I modified it alil to stay with the times "

What?? no little red thermos??

 

[the ob]

zen,
I am just speaking for myself, but if you would like to add additional costs to mine that you still have to ship, please do so.

I know you are a man of honor, and do not wish to do that, but please understand, I am happy to do it.

This is as a friend (whether you want me or not ), a supporter of your product, and also as a business owner. I understand how brutal these costs can be.

 

[Zen~]

What?? no little red thermos??

LOL... it was a Royal Stewart Tartan... I believe

"Oh I'm picking out a thermos... for YOU..."

 

[Zen~]

zen,
I am just speaking for myself, but if you would like to add additional costs to mine that you still have to ship, please do so.

I know you are a man of honor, and do not wish to do that, but please understand, I am happy to do it.

This is as a friend (whether you want me or not ), a supporter of your product, and also as a business owner. I understand how brutal these costs can be.

No Sir... these were my mistakes and I will gladly pay them... however people have to understand that, while I can control money... all men are slaves to father time.

 

[the ob]

by the way, just for those watching, it was not me who sent that PM

just saying. I do not want shaitaan getting all up in my grill Kidding buddy! I said that because I see you floating around on the thread......

 

[sinnyc]

zen,
I am just speaking for myself, but if you would like to add additional costs to mine that you still have to ship, please do so.

I know you are a man of honor, and do not wish to do that, but please understand, I am happy to do it.

This is as a friend (whether you want me or not ), a supporter of your product, and also as a business owner. I understand how brutal these costs can be.

OB,

I agree with everything you've said BUT I think it's clear that Zen~ is still being stubborn about this insofar as taking an additional dime (I've discussed this with him privately regarding a parallel topic). So rather than having this turn into a public "I'd be happy to send more $$" thing with him refusing to impose additional charges, my suggestion is that if a Zenesis owner wishes to help defray the cost of shipping the replacement parts over his protestations, you can do what I'm gonna do - send him additional payment via check or money order in the return package for the old switch when you receive it

Let's see him not take my help THEN

- Tim

 

[the ob]

OB,

I agree with everything you've said BUT I think it's clear that Zen~ is still being stubborn about this insofar as taking an additional dime (I've discussed this with him privately regarding a parallel topic). So rather than having this turn into a public "I'd be happy to send more $$" thing with him refusing to impose additional charges, my suggestion is that if a Zenesis owner wishes to help defray the cost of shipping the replacement parts over his protestations, you can do what I'm gonna do - send him additional payment via check or money order in the return package for the old switch when you receive it

Let's see him not take my help THEN

- Tim

I hear ya. point taken.

although, our posts might just have had the same effect

ps, zen these posts are between sinnyc and myself

 

[wickedalibi]

It is tough to please everyone all the time. You sound like me (a little OCD about the product you put out). I personally like this. For any haters out there, how many first runs on any mod were perfect? None that I know of. I recently purchased a relatively inexpensive bottom feeder mod to try that out. There were numerous problems with it, not to mention a bunch of modifications that I would have had to do to it myself, to get it even useable for me. There is a great thread on here from members who love the mod and try to help, but from the manufacturer nada.
I think Zen only has the best of intentions and the integrity to see this through. I do not own one of the one of the APV's but I am on the list for a z atty p. Patience evryone, less stress is a good thing all the way around.

 

[quynhwil]

Like you said before, There's more love then hate( my way of saying it). Just do what you need to do Zen. I'm happy with my APV and will continue to give you money for more product.

With that being said........Where is my mini....Lol

 

[dearme]

I would like to say that as an owner of Zens, and even with the switch and tank problems that some have experienced (my tank is intact so far, but I do have switch issues), I am completely happy with the Zen so far. I have complete faith in the problems being resolved as soon as humanly possible, and the Febbies were still, after all, in the beta testing arena, so the Marchies are will be getting an APV with most of the problems resolved. I would have no reservations in paying for and getting a March Zen even if it needed a tweak or two.

So, if you are a Marchie and have not paid, I would urge you to do so ASAP. The Zenesis really is a wonderful APV and totally worth the money. Just my not so humble opinion from an experienced vaper, but as one who has no electrical or mechanical ability and who was without any experience in rebuildable attys. If I can make my Febbie work and be happy with the results, those with more experience will have no difficulty. I also adopted my Zens and they did not arrive with installed wicks and coils, and I STILL was able to figure out the minor problems. As an aside, I have no patience, but still came thru with flying colors......LOL

 

[bumpi]

No Sir... these were my mistakes and I will gladly pay them... however people have to understand that, while I can control money... all men are slaves to father time.

Like OB, I would like to pay for at least part of that, because the apv I will be getting has become a lot more "refined" than it was when priced....I could see you selling out all your stock even at $50/unit price increase...we got in on a price and waited as changes made it better. They can pay a more appropriate price, as I would, for availability..

I just want it to be known, that i will be sending you a little something extra via PayPal, it prob won't cover all the additional costs, but if other zenfidels can kick in as well, maybe we can leave ya with some beer money out of the whole deal!

idk if the square payers can do that, Just send money, but most I would think most people have PayPal, so send a few bucks,.... this man hasn't slept in 3 months!!! I by no means "have money" but believe in paying a fair price for what I get...I added a few bucks for shipping when I paid, and will be sending more to try and pay for the upgrades zen could have added to the price as he did them.

 

[vicsan]

Oh Gaaawd, I hate to post this, but I must.

zen~, don't yell at me! I did something really stupid. Something I thought could happen before I did it, but took the chance it wouldn't. Stupid move on my part.

I have little magnets, 1/10" x 1/32" and was using one on the switch screw, but then started using my Noalox on the switch screw, so I moved the magnet to the battery tip. It worked great, but it is the PERFECT size to sit snugly in the allen head bolt socket, is lodged in the socket of the bolt and I cannot get it out.

I stacked all the same size magnets I have to see if they could pull it out, but it's lodged in the socket too tightly. I've tried a pointed knife, a dental pick, needle nose pliers...but the magnet is almost flush with the top of the bolt head....which kind of defeats the purpose of it.

Is this going to hurt anything? I don't have to worry about losing that magnet anymore, that's for sure.

Any ideas on how to get it out? I have some 1/2" spacer magnets coming and thought I would try using those. I also have some 1/4" x 1" earth magnets coming that I can make a rod with and use those to see if they're strong enough to pull it out of the bolt head.

Should I worry about that magnet being in there? Is there a way to get it out? Any tips?

Okay...I'm ready for my lashing. I'll be in the corner waiting.

 

[Mr. P]

Oh Gaaawd, I hate to post this, but I must.

zen~, don't yell at me! I did something really stupid. Something I thought could happen before I did it, but took the chance it wouldn't. Stupid move on my part.

I have little magnets, 1/10" x 1/32" and was using one on the switch screw, but then started using my Noalox on the switch screw, so I moved the magnet to the battery tip. It worked great, but it is the PERFECT size to sit snugly in the allen head bolt socket, is lodged in the socket of the bolt and I cannot get it out.

I stacked all the same size magnets I have to see if they could pull it out, but it's lodged in the socket too tightly. I've tried a pointed knife, a dental pick, needle nose pliers...but the magnet is almost flush with the top of the bolt head....which kind of defeats the purpose of it.

Is this going to hurt anything? I don't have to worry about losing that magnet anymore, that's for sure.

Any ideas on how to get it out? I have some 1/2" spacer magnets coming and thought I would try using those. I also have some 1/4" x 1" earth magnets coming that I can make a rod with and use those to see if they're strong enough to pull it out of the bolt head.

Should I worry about that magnet being in there? Is there a way to get it out? Any tips?

Okay...I'm ready for my lashing. I'll be in the corner waiting.

Okay, I just had to laugh when I read this one. Shame on you vicsan,,,

 

[vicsan]

Okay, I just had to laugh when I read this one. Shame on you vicsan,,,

I know! I know! I know! At least I KNOW it was a stupid move.

 

[vicsan]

Shai knows more about the project than any other living soul, and he's been critical of me releasing as much information as I have... And he's right... Some of the information I released is starting to appear in another designers product... Can't tell if it's coincidence or it served as inspiration, but it's there and it has given me reason for pause regarding the hints.

I cannot tell you how sad that makes me. I can't say I'm not surprised, human nature being what it is...especially where business and money is concerned, but still, it's a sad thing to hear.

I'm really sorry this has happened and shame on whomever is doing it.