How do i know if my Chuck is killing my atty?

[ePuffDaddy]

@Poeia: Yes, ordering from China is the better option for me due to proximity. Was in a conundrum whether to get 18650 batteries from DealExtreme or get HV atomizers from Eastmall. I chose the latter, and now smokie says NOT to get the 4.3 to 4.5 ohms variety, which were the kind I just ordered!

@smokie: what's the implication of the aforesaid scenario? Does it mean the Chuck will just burn the 4.3 to 4.5 ohm atties?

Oh my, it's getting harder everyday to justify to the wifey that what I've been doing costs less than smoking!

 

[sc0ut]

@ePuffDaddy - do you have family in California? Or anywhere in the US for that matter? Ask them to order the batteries for you or any other supplies you need and they can mail it to Manila.

btw, I use KR8 style cartos and I've never ruined one. I use the Chuck at 3.7. Haven't tried it at 6 because I'm satisfied (for now) at 3.7. No nic and all VG juice

 

[ePuffDaddy]

@sc0ut: a brother-in-law from California actually hand-carried the Chuck and the RCR123 batteries for me. But you know how long it would take for a balikbayan box to reach Manila, and I can't afford the wait.

 

[ePuffDaddy]

My 4.5 ohm 510 HV atty just arrived and I am now using it with my 6v-powered Chuck. I don't want to get my hopes up considering what smokie said, but so far the atty is not heating up as much as the garden variety atty. I really do hope that my quest for hassle-free Chuck-vaping has ended with my latest acquisition.

 

[smokie]

My 4.5 ohm 510 HV atty just arrived and I am now using it with my 6v-powered Chuck. I don't want to get my hopes up considering what smokie said, but so far the atty is not heating up as much as the garden variety atty. I really do hope that my quest for hassle-free Chuck-vaping has ended with my latest acquisition.

Do not be surprised if that one Burns out too, mine did. What you really need is the 5.2 atty sold by Nhaler, out of stock now.

 

[MastiffMike]

Do not be surprised if that one Burns out too, mine did. What you really need is the 5.2 atty sold by Nhaler, out of stock now.

The difference between the 4.5 and 5.2 attys is really not THAT big.
(stock) Joye 510 @ 3.7v = 5.95 watts
HV 510 (5.2Ohm) @ 6v = 6.92 watts
HV 510 (4.5Ohm) @ 6v = 8 watts

A lot of people find the "sweet spot" to be a stock 510 @ 5v which is:
(stock) Joye 510 @ 5v = 10.87 watts

I just recently started using a HV901 @ 7.4v and it ROCKS!
HV 901/510 (4.5Ohm) @ 7.4v = 12.17 watts!

Testing (by others) seems to indicate that the lifespan can be shortened when using a 4.5Ohm atty at 7.4v if allowed to run dry. Soon as I get some 5.2Ohm attys I'll give them a try as I think that's going to be the HV sweet spot (for me at least, as I like my TH and heat!).
HV 901/510 (5.2Ohm) @ 7.4v = 10.53 watts - which is right about the same as a stock atty @ 5v!

The biggest issue with HV attys IMHO is that the juice requirement goes up and since they get hotter (typically they're run at voltages >3.7v). If that's kept in mind and the attys is never run dry the lifespan should be simulair to a normal atty.

Just my $.01

 

[smokie]

Do not be surprised if that one Burns out too, mine did. What you really need is the 5.2 atty sold by Nhaler, out of stock now.

I also like the Chuck using 18650, 3.7 battery with a 306 atty, almost like that sweet spot.

 

[ePuffDaddy]

Thanks for the inputs, smokie and MastiffMike. Until the 5.2 ohm atties become available, I guess I'll just have to be extra careful when using my 4.5 ohm atty.

Been vaping for 5 months now and should be ashamed of myself for this noobie query, but do you guys have any tips how to NOT let the atties run dry? Is refilling when flavor disappears enough?

TIA

 

[MastiffMike]

FWIW, Ikenvape is expecting a shipment of 5.2 attys end of this I believe so you might check there if you're normal supplier doesn't have them.

I did the Pyramid Tea Bag thing a couple months ago and am too lazy to try any of the newer cart mods. I tend to vape like I smoke, which is to say I don't chain vape. I hit it pretty hard for 5-8 minutes then don't touch it for an hour or so. What I tend to do is every third "smoke break" I drip a couple drops into the atty and top off the cart and this prevents me from ever really running dry. IMO cart mods are very user specific as different people vape differently.

Things are slow tonight but I'm sure you'll get more people to chime in tomorrow on their opinions!

 

[ePuffDaddy]

Thanks for that, Mike (can I call you that?).

I'm now looking at the Zero Filler Mod if it will help prevent my atty from running dry. Hope to get back to you on this and get more inputs from our other friends here.

Thanks again.

 

[smokie]

Thanks for that, Mike (can I call you that?).

I'm now looking at the Zero Filler Mod if it will help prevent my atty from running dry. Hope to get back to you on this and get more inputs from our other friends here.

Thanks again.

You do not refill carts when using 6 volts, because you do not use carts when using 6 volts, DRIP ONLY with 6 volts. To Dam HOT for carts, and on the 510 cart, cut some of the cart off on the atty side, it will burn the 510 cart. Refill carts using 3.7 volts.

 

[MastiffMike]

You do not refill carts when using 6 volts, because you do not use carts when using 6 volts, DRIP ONLY with 6 volts. To Dam HOT for carts, and on the 510 cart, cut some of the cart off on the atty side, it will burn the 510 cart. Refill carts using 3.7 volts.

Wa HUH? I'm vaping at 7.4v as we speak WITH a cart. Lots of people use carts at 5v+ and I've NEVER heard of it being too hot for a cart?!?! The polyfill will melt if allowed to touch the bridge but it'll do that at 3v!

And to cut the cart down? Man I don't even know what to say....

 

[ePuffDaddy]

Whoa! Differing opinions! Now why do i feel doomed...

I'm actually just dripping right now and cart mods were only taken into consideration here because we were talking about how to NOT let the atty run dry. A "keep it wet" technique without cart mods will just be as fine by me.

 

[MastiffMike]

ePuff, if you're fine dripping than have at it! I personally find dripping too much of a hassle but if you don't then you're set!

The differing of opinions (when this extreme) is a little unsettling! I don't claim to be a vaping guru but I have done a fair amount of reading/research and this is the first I've ever heard of a cart melting due to anything BUT a malfunction (i.e. pv in pocket and button sat on - and that was at normal voltage NOT HV!).

In any case, it IS in the best interest of atty life to keep it from running dry. A dry run atty will overheat (at any voltage - just quicker/hotter at HV) thus shortening the life.

Now, where's some more pics of that wife of yours?!?!

 

[ePuffDaddy]

Hey Mike! I'm all open to cart refilling, if that will help me avoid running my atty dry. So the way I understand it, dry burning is definitely a no-no with HV vaping, right? Just checking coz that's the only way I know to effectively unclog my underperforming atties, aside from the usual hard blow from the batt connector.

By the way, the wifey's got a new pic, but it involves a watermelon, not a PV. Apparently not appropriate to post here on two counts.

 

[MastiffMike]

Hey Mike! I'm all open to cart refilling, if that will help me avoid running my atty dry. So the way I understand it, dry burning is definitely a no-no with HV vaping, right? Just checking coz that's the only way I know that effectively unclogs my flooded atties, aside from the usual hard blow from the batt connector.

By the way, the wifey's got a new pic, but it involves a watermelon, not a PV. Apparently not appropriate to post here on two counts.

The problem when running an atty dry is that it gets hotter quicker and thus can kill it. Dry burning itself isn't a no-no, it's when people aren't getting the vapor they expect and so they hold down the button much longer thinking that'll make a difference when actually the atty isn't getting enough liquid (or is flooded) for their vapor needs. (was that a run-on sentence or what?!?!)

If you're running an atty (whether HV or not) it's almost always preferable to "pulse" it (push-release-push-release, etc) then it is to run it for one long burst.

I don't remember a PV being a requirement of the pics! And of course my PM's are always available for pics if you don't feel like a public posting is in order!

 

[ePuffDaddy]

On account of said pic's having already been made available for public viewing, I guess giving you the link is just fair game.

Do note, however, that the shot was taken with a photo contest in mind.

 

[MastiffMike]

WOW! um.... WOW! At the risk of sounding like Paris, "THAT'S HOT!!!"

And how can you NOT share more pics?!?! My avatar was made for just this sort thing!

 

[ePuffDaddy]

I kinda figured that one out. Cherish the link: it's your gateway to a bigger goldmine of whatever sort of thing you're into, if you know where to look.

 

[kase]

7.4 volts with a cart? 2x cr123 3.7 volts immediately explode any atomizer on mine regardless of any variable.