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That is so true --, especially about the phones. Most of my adult life has been spent in the hospitality industry and I have worked irregular hours and my phone rings to this day at all hours so it does not alarm me at all when my phone rings. Not one bit. I've had people at my house fairly late in the evening (or early am) and the phone rings and most everyone except me is nervous. As a kid if the phone rang after 10:30 p.m. - someone either died or was in the hospital.
Phones in those days. Even local calls cost to make. A long distance call was around 10 to 15 miles and cost more. Across country call was astronomical in cost, a few minutes for $5 to $10 which was a lot of money
I'm a little late to this convo but my son is fifteen and he has a debit card linked to his bank account that he uses to make online purchases all the time (not vape stuff). In fact, I don't even have a credit card, only a debit card. My son has had his card for at least 2 years, possibly 3. You don't have to be 18 or use a credit card to buy stuff online, just a card linked to an account in your name.
Right, but if the vendor is using age verification, it will check databases that will show age, address etc.
This explains the process:
https://agechecker.net/
Heck, doing a google search for myself shows my age, address, where I've lived before, who my relatives are...
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That makes sense, I guess. My kid has never attempted to purchase something he wasn't old enough to buy (that I know if, haha), so yeah. But just wanted to address the people shocked that a kid the age of 15 could have a means to pay online. Debit card. Bank account. And if the vendor isn't using the appropriate checkers for age-verification, that's a problem.
Also - I think most of this stuff is automated. I sincerely doubt that any vendor is taking the time to Google every single person who makes a purchase. I think they think they're weak warnings that they show on their websites have them covered legally (it may have - what do I know).
I think now you do need real verification. Of course if you're buying with a prepaid card you can easily use a parent's name or an of age friend's name.
It's not that the owners Google, it's that the age verification service uses the same things the people finders do. I don't think the owner searching would be considered real verification, they have to pay someone.
Right, and we pay for it indirectly in the products we buy.
Still beats paying for signed adult delivery tho.
Either way, it's not free. I suppose I haven't thought about it much since I'm (clearly) not underage
... It must get done behind the scenes. .... But, I suppose it's possible that a kid could have access to his/her parent's credit/debit cards (very possible, actually). But still, it would have to be delivered the person whose name is on the card (right?). Maybe they're not home when he is and can accept deliveries. ...At the end of the day, maybe mention it to the parents, but seriously - I know some parents would rather their kids vape than smoke. I know I would (not that I encourage it an any way whatsoever!). I doubt I'd call the 'authorities' on the vape company, though I might send an email saying mentioning what I knew as a heads-up, cuz that's not cool (any more than a liquor store selling stuff to underage kids [in fact that's worse, but we all know it happens]).Heck - where I live, I knew kids in elementary school who smoked weed with their kids, and some who let them throw parties at their house. Not even joking. Lots of parents just don't care.
I sort of expect it to be folded into PACT after deeming is done. Then we can pay $35 shipping on a $5 product. "But it's not a ban."
True, but we, at 15, were not a threat to the tobacco companies the same way underage vapers are to the industry we are trying so hard to protect.Delinquent? Maybe. But "deviant"?
I bet more than half the people here were smoking at age 15.
The only real way to identify would be to ship it with adult signature required but that would also require the carrier to actually check
That's getting into the "but it's not a ban" expensive PACT shipping requirements that cost you $35 to ship a $3 tin of nasal snuff.
People who load their own ammo have the same problem with primers... You have to order in bulk to make it worthwhile to pay the hazmat shipping fee.
Same with blackpowder, made it difficult to sell and costly to ship. At least those really are hazmat (and is only $25).
A tin of nasal snuff has lasted me years. Bulk really isn't an answer.
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