Oh man. Tough question. On the one hand, it seems pointless and expensive just for the sake of "being cool". On the other hand, disallowing it may scream hypocrisy. I'd say skirt the direct issue and address the point that doing something just for the sake of looking cool is not cool. Either that, or get some 0 nic juice and let him play with your stuff. At least then he isn't wasting his, or worse, your money on a fashion accessory.
Your thoughts on minors vaping 0 nicotine juice
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Because something may be legal, it doesn't mean that it's right.
That said, like another poster commented, I smoked analogs at 16 - and a few months before, I'd been a vehement anti-smoker. I don't believe e-cigarettes are a gateway to "bad things" but I am concerned with the idea of someone that age starting to vape 0 nic and then perhaps believing that using nic juice isn't really any different and then boom they have an addiction.
I don't have children but if I did have a 16 yr old in that situation, I'd focus on talking about the addictive nature of nicotine. I think it's also like a chain - many of us DO get benefits from it, but we're 'perfect' before we put nicotine into our body and once we put nicotine in, breaking the cycle because of the benefits is tough.
That said, like another poster commented, I smoked analogs at 16 - and a few months before, I'd been a vehement anti-smoker. I don't believe e-cigarettes are a gateway to "bad things" but I am concerned with the idea of someone that age starting to vape 0 nic and then perhaps believing that using nic juice isn't really any different and then boom they have an addiction.
I don't have children but if I did have a 16 yr old in that situation, I'd focus on talking about the addictive nature of nicotine. I think it's also like a chain - many of us DO get benefits from it, but we're 'perfect' before we put nicotine into our body and once we put nicotine in, breaking the cycle because of the benefits is tough.
My parents did similar things with alcohol. They'd put a little liqueur over ice cream, allow me a small glass of beer or wine with dinner occasionally, let me taste something they were having, etc. This had the desired effect. My friends who had been totally forbidden alcohol would often "go crazy" with it when given an opportunity, but I never thought it was a big deal. I would drink a little if I enjoyed it, but the psychological "rebellion" factor was absent so I never really drank much.
To me, these threads are always fascinating because of the messages vapers will readily expressed, which does scream hypocrisy to me.
I asked earlier what is the harm in vaping 0 mg and would very much appreciate a response to that. I see it as harmful (or rather as harmless) as being outside on a foggy day. Perhaps someone in the vaping community wishes to educate me and let me know the harm that is present with vaping 0 mg juice. Better yet, link to whatever research you find to back that claim up. I'd like to see it, consider its source and perhaps update my thoughts on this.
In the meantime, there are quotes from this thread that I find interesting and that I take issue with. While I could use quote feature to include who said what, I don't think it is the point. I think it is more realistic to understand that these items are not isolated to one individual. And I mean individuals in the vaping community. If these were said by ANTZ spokesperson for the day, we'd be all over the comments refuting it. But here on this thread, they slip right on by. Well, until this post.
Earlier quote: "I kind of feel like vaping could act as a "gateway" to other things."
Another: (Vaping) "can be considered a 'vice' "
Another: "i don't trust anything labeled 0 nicotine unless i mix it my self"
Another: "Because something may be legal, it doesn't mean that it's right."
I'll just add that what it was like being a kid isn't so foreign to me, especially as most adults I've met act like kids, throwing mini temper tantrums if what they want to do doesn't go their way. Part of ANTZ position, as I understand it, is that the majority of nic addicts start when they are young. I find that a majority of vapers / ex-smokers started smoking under 18. Yet, the politics/biased science concludes that if a child (under 18) smokes, they will surely die, a premature death.
But the anecdotal evidence on vaping forums counters that as many (of us) are alive into our 40's (and well beyond) after starting to smoke at say age 15. And I've learned to trust anecdotal evidence when it comes to vaping rights. Now, with a kid smoking a log at age 15, even I will think that person is plausibly doing some serious harm to their system if they actually pick it up as a habit, become addicted, and keep it up for years and years. But I have a very tough time getting on board with the same child at 15 taking up vaping and doing serious harm to their system if they pick it up as a habit, become addicted and keep it up for years. And right about now, I find it incredibly hard to believe that a child vaping 0 mg as a habit/addiction is doing serious harm to themselves. But I am up for hearing the evidence that would take my incredulous position and (ahem) set me straight.
I asked earlier what is the harm in vaping 0 mg and would very much appreciate a response to that. I see it as harmful (or rather as harmless) as being outside on a foggy day. Perhaps someone in the vaping community wishes to educate me and let me know the harm that is present with vaping 0 mg juice. Better yet, link to whatever research you find to back that claim up. I'd like to see it, consider its source and perhaps update my thoughts on this.
In the meantime, there are quotes from this thread that I find interesting and that I take issue with. While I could use quote feature to include who said what, I don't think it is the point. I think it is more realistic to understand that these items are not isolated to one individual. And I mean individuals in the vaping community. If these were said by ANTZ spokesperson for the day, we'd be all over the comments refuting it. But here on this thread, they slip right on by. Well, until this post.
Earlier quote: "I kind of feel like vaping could act as a "gateway" to other things."
Another: (Vaping) "can be considered a 'vice' "
Another: "i don't trust anything labeled 0 nicotine unless i mix it my self"
Another: "Because something may be legal, it doesn't mean that it's right."
I'll just add that what it was like being a kid isn't so foreign to me, especially as most adults I've met act like kids, throwing mini temper tantrums if what they want to do doesn't go their way. Part of ANTZ position, as I understand it, is that the majority of nic addicts start when they are young. I find that a majority of vapers / ex-smokers started smoking under 18. Yet, the politics/biased science concludes that if a child (under 18) smokes, they will surely die, a premature death.
But the anecdotal evidence on vaping forums counters that as many (of us) are alive into our 40's (and well beyond) after starting to smoke at say age 15. And I've learned to trust anecdotal evidence when it comes to vaping rights. Now, with a kid smoking a log at age 15, even I will think that person is plausibly doing some serious harm to their system if they actually pick it up as a habit, become addicted, and keep it up for years and years. But I have a very tough time getting on board with the same child at 15 taking up vaping and doing serious harm to their system if they pick it up as a habit, become addicted and keep it up for years. And right about now, I find it incredibly hard to believe that a child vaping 0 mg as a habit/addiction is doing serious harm to themselves. But I am up for hearing the evidence that would take my incredulous position and (ahem) set me straight.
I think we don't really know all the dangers with these ejuice yet. But honestly its up to the parent(s) who should be involved in the kids life, I don't think it should be illegal tho IDK if I would let my daughter do it now…
No one knows how to be a parent until they actually are one. One persons parental practices differ from the another's. I rolled my eyes at my wife when she read all those how to be a parent book.
We did not allow our kids to drink soda until they were 12. I liken vaping to sodas... Soda is one of the worst things we can put into our bodies.. yet how many do? If my daughters took an interest in vaping, I would surely discuss it with them.
There are many things I do not allow that other parents do. I also allow things others do not. When my eldest turned 14 we started offering her a small (very small) glass of wine every once in a while at dinner while my wife and I had one... or a sip of it. She still has not accepted it and we do not force it.
We did not allow our kids to drink soda until they were 12. I liken vaping to sodas... Soda is one of the worst things we can put into our bodies.. yet how many do? If my daughters took an interest in vaping, I would surely discuss it with them.
There are many things I do not allow that other parents do. I also allow things others do not. When my eldest turned 14 we started offering her a small (very small) glass of wine every once in a while at dinner while my wife and I had one... or a sip of it. She still has not accepted it and we do not force it.
absolutely not.
aside from the fact that it is factually a potential (highly likely) enabler and gateway, do we REALLY need to ride that fine line and give the government any more of a reason to put a target on our (vapor users) heads?
aside from the fact that it is factually a potential (highly likely) enabler and gateway, do we REALLY need to ride that fine line and give the government any more of a reason to put a target on our (vapor users) heads?
So let's see...on one hand we've got millions of smokers that are not that successful with traditional cessations progs while at the same time we have Antz screaming up and down that vaping among Minors is increasing.
We a have group of adults that are addicted to a drug that has great potential for sickness and/ or death.
On the other hand we some kids that wash to vape because it's "cool".
Sorry I'm a VERY STRONG NO as this could seriously impact a large number of smokers that "have no way out" other than vaping.
When I was sub 16 and smoking Pops told me if I wanted a .... to go down to the park. He was a smoker but forbade me to smoke anywhere near "HIS HOME". Told me if I didn't like it I was free to move out...on my 16 B-Day moved out- problem solved...funny thing is when I would visit for Dinner on Sunday I still couldn't smoke on the property LOL
We a have group of adults that are addicted to a drug that has great potential for sickness and/ or death.
On the other hand we some kids that wash to vape because it's "cool".
Sorry I'm a VERY STRONG NO as this could seriously impact a large number of smokers that "have no way out" other than vaping.
When I was sub 16 and smoking Pops told me if I wanted a .... to go down to the park. He was a smoker but forbade me to smoke anywhere near "HIS HOME". Told me if I didn't like it I was free to move out...on my 16 B-Day moved out- problem solved...funny thing is when I would visit for Dinner on Sunday I still couldn't smoke on the property LOL
I have to laugh when I see the concern of "hypocrisy" kicked about in a discussion involving parenting. Avoiding it is a fine objective from a conceptual perspective... carrying it out in practical application is virtually impossible.
I've got 5 kids... 3 in their 20's and 2 teens still on-board.
There are things you as an adult can and will choose to do... that you won't allow your kids to do. That's a hard reality. To me, successful parents find a balance, but none of us are saints nor will we ever be the ultimate perfect example for our kids. So please save the hypocrisy boloney for something else.
Just because something is "relatively safe", legal and other kids are doing it to be cool... that's about the weakest excuse to let your kid do something ever. The primary reason for parenting is because at whatever developmental stage your kid is at they do not have the knowledge, experience nor maturity to manage a lot of things.
Back on topic... so I smoked and now vape. Poor choices, despite my parents best efforts got me here. Am I willing to allow vaping with 0mg Nicotine by my kids. No way. Call hypocrisy until you are hoarse and the cows have come home!!
The arguments we recovering tobacco users use as to justify this stuff as a harm reduction are null and void for a teenager who is not addicted to tobacco nor nicotine. Doesn't matter the legality. Safety/health is of no concern here. If it's my kid I say no... I don't have open that door. As I said many times to my 15, 16, 17 year old's... in a short time you'll be of an age to make these decisions yourself. At that time, you can spend your own earned money and make your own choices. Sorry until then... it's my call. A lot more discussion usually follows... but that's the bottom line message.
I've got 5 kids... 3 in their 20's and 2 teens still on-board.
There are things you as an adult can and will choose to do... that you won't allow your kids to do. That's a hard reality. To me, successful parents find a balance, but none of us are saints nor will we ever be the ultimate perfect example for our kids. So please save the hypocrisy boloney for something else.
Just because something is "relatively safe", legal and other kids are doing it to be cool... that's about the weakest excuse to let your kid do something ever. The primary reason for parenting is because at whatever developmental stage your kid is at they do not have the knowledge, experience nor maturity to manage a lot of things.
Back on topic... so I smoked and now vape. Poor choices, despite my parents best efforts got me here. Am I willing to allow vaping with 0mg Nicotine by my kids. No way. Call hypocrisy until you are hoarse and the cows have come home!!
The arguments we recovering tobacco users use as to justify this stuff as a harm reduction are null and void for a teenager who is not addicted to tobacco nor nicotine. Doesn't matter the legality. Safety/health is of no concern here. If it's my kid I say no... I don't have open that door. As I said many times to my 15, 16, 17 year old's... in a short time you'll be of an age to make these decisions yourself. At that time, you can spend your own earned money and make your own choices. Sorry until then... it's my call. A lot more discussion usually follows... but that's the bottom line message.
Very well stated.
I also have 5 grown kids and have to laugh with them when they tell what they tell their kids. Stuff they said they would NEVER say to their kids.
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