How do y'all feel about this law?

[Bjorhyn]

What is the exact % of kids that have started with 0mg Nic and have been vaping for the past year 0mg Nic?

Answer is; it doesnt matter, because in the long run, its simpler to throw everyone under the same bus. You might not like it, but what solution do you have to separate 0mg Nic vapers from the people that vape with Nicotine??

In my town, from my experience asking around, most. I can't speak for national percentages.
Out of curiosity, what do you define as kids?
Find me a 12 year old on the forum who's started vaping.

I don't have an end-all solution, but it's better for us long term to not throw it all under the bus.
Believe me, though. If I had a solution, if be shouting it from the rooftops.

I didn't start this thread to get into a debate, I did it to share what found and my feelings about it.
If you want to keep discussing certain points about it, please pm me.

 

[KGB7]

In my town, from my experience asking around, most. I can't speak for national percentages.
Out of curiosity, what do you define as kids?
Find me a 12 year old on the forum who's started vaping.

I don't have an end-all solution, but it's better for us long term to not throw it all under the bus.
Believe me, though. If I had a solution, if be shouting it from the rooftops.

I didn't start this thread to get into a debate, I did it to share what found and my feelings about it.
If you want to keep discussing certain points about it, please pm me.

We need to discuss it and debate it, so we can find better solutions for the long haul.

I call every one a kid that still has poop for brains.

 

[Bjorhyn]

We need to discuss it and debate it, so we can find better solutions for the long haul.

I call every one a kid that still has poop for brains.

I completely agree, although I don't want to sit here and pick apart one part of it by arguing. I rarely feel that's effective.

Haha, that actually does make sense. Though, if you're 18 here, you can decide for yourself what idiocy to participate in with no judgement from me.

 

[OlderNDirt]

As long as we, the people are willing to accept government dictating to us where, when, and how we can indulge in ANY AND ALL legal activities, what we want and desire is not even up for debate.

 

[Deeo]

I am just at the point now where I just don't want them to banned mods etc that we can refill ourselves and not banned our flavor ejuices. I have no idea where I would get this stuff black market as no one vapes where I live.

 

[Bjorhyn]

I am just at the point now where I just don't want them to banned mods etc that we can refill ourselves and not banned our flavor ejuices. I have no idea where I would get this stuff black market as no one vapes where I live.

It might be worth learning to DIY juice, so that never becomes a problem.

I've started looking into building my own mech.

 

[twgbonehead]

We need to discuss it and debate it, so we can find better solutions for the long haul.

I call every one a kid that still has poop for brains.

I'm reminded of a line from Casablanca:

Here's looking at you, kid!

 

[Oberon75]

So the people that vape 0mg juice get vaping license and special hat to wear so they can vape in all public places?


It doesnt matter if its a fad or not, Nictoine is addictive and vaping turns in to a long term hobby.

And if they aren't vaping, they are going to be smoking. While I wouldn't approve either way, I would be far less angry if I found an eGo in my son's pocket over a pack of Newports. Nicotine is also far less addictive when not included in the chemical cocktail that is an analog cigarette.

And I know a lot of teens do vape according to my son. But they aren't using the same products that we are using nor would a B&M that I know of even let them through the door. They are getting the kinds of products sold at gas stations and liquor stores from the exact same owners who sold beer & cigarettes to my friends and I, way back when I was fourteen.

This extreme regulation isn't going to cut down on youth nicotine addiction. It's going to make it far worse. Because if they aren't vaping, they are going to be smoking. I only wish vaping was around when I was a teenager, hooked on two packs of Marlboro Red a day.

 

[AndriaD]

Yeah, NY State has just blessed ice cream with up to 5% alcohol. (sigh)

Shoot, that's the same as beer! Good thing I don't live in NY, my sobriety would be in serious jeopardy!

Andria

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

I don't mind having to stand out where the smokers do, and heck I fully don't agree with the "Vaping doesn't smell" because yes, I smell like blueberries, or apple pie, or banana nut bread..ect
Fact is, it still has a scent to it, as for flavors I prefer the taste of E-liquid to cigs a million times over and I really don't see any trucks marketing ECigs to kids like ice cream trucks do so not fully understanding how the government is making that connection to marketing to kids (most sites I see double and triple check your 18, B&M stores def. do by not allowing under 18 in).

Its yet again state and local government ticked about the lack of taxes and such on ECigs, well I don't know about anyone else but last time I checked I pay sales tax online and in a B&M store so they are getting their cut without a doubt there. I do know that Tobacco companies are royally ticked off about sales dropping and more then sure they are putting pressure on state and local government to make laws to regulate devices and liquids. You'll find this whole thing will play out, I do know this though what I do in my house is my own business and the state won't tell me to do otherwise, I'll still continue to vape in the comfort of my own home. Also your car qualifies as your personal property so I can vape there as well.
As once said, where there is a will, there is a way.

 

[Rotowoman]

What are y'all's thoughts on this?

My thoughts on this is that I'm glad I don't live there. The misinformation chaps me badly, and I'm being polite here.

 

[KGB7]

And if they aren't vaping, they are going to be smoking. While I wouldn't approve either way, I would be far less angry if I found an eGo in my son's pocket over a pack of Newports. Nicotine is also far less addictive when not included in the chemical cocktail that is an analog cigarette.

And I know a lot of teens do vape according to my son. But they aren't using the same products that we are using nor would a B&M that I know of even let them through the door. They are getting the kinds of products sold at gas stations and liquor stores from the exact same owners who sold beer & cigarettes to my friends and I, way back when I was fourteen.

This extreme regulation isn't going to cut down on youth nicotine addiction. It's going to make it far worse. Because if they aren't vaping, they are going to be smoking. I only wish vaping was around when I was a teenager, hooked on two packs of Marlboro Red a day.

Those chepo e-cigs come with as high as 48mg of nicotine and thats more then enough to get your addicted.

And as far as if they are not vaping they are going to smoke, thats a speculation. Kids are like monkeys, they copy each other, not all of them, but they have their own groups of smokers, the vapers, the tobacco chewers.

Im against these kind of regulations as well, but we need to stop voting for better idiots we call Politicians.

 

[Oberon75]

Those chepo e-cigs come with as high as 48mg of nicotine and thats more then enough to get your addicted.

And as far as if they are not vaping they are going to smoke, thats a speculation. Kids are like monkeys, they copy each other, not all of them, but they have their own groups of smokers, the vapers, the tobacco chewers.

Im against these kind of regulations as well, but we need to stop voting for better idiots we call Politicians.

How is it speculation when the teenage trend before vaping was smoking? We can only speculate that kids won't go right back to doing what they have for decades and decades before vaping was introduced? Look it up for yourself. Teen smoking rates didn't hit record lows until vaping became mainstream. And Kids have a fascination with contraband regardless of what it is and they will find a way to get it. Just like drugs, it will be far easier for teens to find and be offered black market liquid then law abiding adults who will be hurt by bans.

And as I said. Nicotine isn't very addictive without tobacco and that has been proven over and over again on this board and many other places. eCigs aren't this evil they are being made out to be and millions of kids everywhere are addicted to products far worse then ecigarettes which are perfectly legal and acceptable.

But when there are political agendas at stake and billions lost in cigarette and pharmaceutical revenue, let's use the children as a propaganda tool to get what we want. It's worked with everything else thus far.

 

[twgbonehead]

My thoughts on this is that I'm glad I don't live there. The misinformation chaps me badly, and I'm being polite here.

"Chaps me badly" - that's an expression that's going into my toolbox!

 

[AndriaD]

How is it speculation when the teenage trend before vaping was smoking? We can only speculate that kids won't go right back to doing what they have for decades and decades before vaping was introduced? Look it up for yourself. Teen smoking rates didn't hit record lows until vaping became mainstream. And Kids have a fascination with contraband regardless of what it is and they will find a way to get it. Just like drugs, it will be far easier for teens to find and be offered black market liquid then law abiding adults who will be hurt by bans.

And as I said. Nicotine isn't very addictive without tobacco and that has been proven over and over again on this board and many other places. eCigs aren't this evil they are being made out to be and millions of kids everywhere are addicted to products far worse then ecigarettes which are perfectly legal and acceptable.

But when there are political agendas at stake and billions lost in cigarette and pharmaceutical revenue, let's use the children as a propaganda tool to get what we want. It's worked with everything else thus far.

Amen, amen, amen. To all of it. I could get [that other stuff] YEARS before I could get alcohol -- and when I was 16, I looked 28.

And to those who have never been a habitual *tobacco* user, nicotine is not terribly addictive, if at all. Probably less so than caffeine -- which kids suck down by the gallon, and a wired-up kid is not a pretty sight at all. Especially if it's your own!

Andria

 

[KGB7]

How is it speculation when the teenage trend before vaping was smoking? We can only speculate that kids won't go right back to doing what they have for decades and decades before vaping was introduced? Look it up for yourself. Teen smoking rates didn't hit record lows until vaping became mainstream. And Kids have a fascination with contraband regardless of what it is and they will find a way to get it. Just like drugs, it will be far easier for teens to find and be offered black market liquid then law abiding adults who will be hurt by bans.

And as I said. Nicotine isn't very addictive without tobacco and that has been proven over and over again on this board and many other places. eCigs aren't this evil they are being made out to be and millions of kids everywhere are addicted to products far worse then ecigarettes which are perfectly legal and acceptable.

But when there are political agendas at stake and billions lost in cigarette and pharmaceutical revenue, let's use the children as a propaganda tool to get what we want. It's worked with everything else thus far.

Because many of these kids werent smoking in the first place when they started vaping. To them its just a fad....monkey see, monkey do.

It is addictive, because at least half the people on this forum have been vaping juice with Nicotine for at least a year and have no intention of going to 0mg nic juice. Nicotine is addictive with out tobacco, it is the nature of nicotine, thats what nicotine does, its addictive. Thats why juice with Nicotine as high as 36mg exists in the first place. Thats why people that dripp still use juice as high as 12mg. Its addictive!

If Nicotine was NOT addictive, there would be NO NEED for juice with Nicotine in the first place.

 

[Oberon75]

Amen, amen, amen. To all of it. I could get [that other stuff] YEARS before I could get alcohol -- and when I was 16, I looked 28.

And to those who have never been a habitual *tobacco* user, nicotine is not terribly addictive, if at all. Probably less so than caffeine -- which kids suck down by the gallon, and a wired-up kid is not a pretty sight at all. Especially if it's your own!

Andria

It's 1:15 am and I have a house full of wired up kids I'm still trying to get to go to bed after our new years party. And even worse, they have the Power Rangers Christmas special on. I need peace. LOL

 

[AndriaD]

It's 1:15 am and I have a house full of wired up kids I'm still trying to get to go to bed after our new years party. And even worse, they have the Power Rangers Christmas special on. I need peace. LOL

ROFL!!! My son was seriously into the Power Rangers... I always called them the "Mighty Stupid Power Rangers". To his unending dismay. Until he grew up... now he just laughs. But I'll tell ya... I miss that little guy. Now he's taller than me, cusses like a sailor, and "beards" me when kisses my cheek! So enjoy the munchkins while they're still annoying, I mean young. When they grow up, they can still be really annoying, but they're not half as cute.

Andria

 

[Oberon75]

Because many of these kids werent smoking in the first place when they started vaping. To them its just a fad....monkey see, money do.

It is addictive, because at least half the people on this forum have been vaping juice with Nicotine for at least a year and have no intention of going to 0mg nic juice. Nicotine is addictive with out tobacco, it is the nature of nicotine, thats what nicotine does, its addictive. Thats why juice with Nicotine as high as 36mg exists in the first place. Thats why people that dripp still use juice as high as 12mg. Its addictive!

If Nicotine was NOT addictive, there would be NO NEED for juice with Nicotine in the first place.

Were still dependant on nicotine because because that cigarette death cocktail of thousands of chemicals, rewired our brains.

And while vaping very much is a fad to some, smoking was the fad before vaping and I'm willing to bet that's when the majority of us on here started smoking cigarettes. I had my first cigarette at 12. Monkey see, Monkey do will just bounce right back to cigarettes like it has been with every generation before vaping. Just because they might have been non smokers before vaping, doesn't mean they wouldn't have just become smokers regardless.

And further more, a vaping black market will arise and all you will need to do is attend a middle school or high school to have access while most adults wouldn't know the first place to look. So then when Big Tobacco finally wins, most of us will either go back to smoking while trying to use RJ Reynolds pretty dangerous looking Vuse ciga-like while the kids are enjoying their new underground vape fad which will be a whole lot more cool if illegal considering your average teens rebellious nature.

 

[Bjorhyn]

As has been mentioned, it's not necessarily the nicotine you need to worry about. Big Tobacco over the years has added various compounds that increase the addictiveness of nicotine by altering how the chemical is absorbed, how various compounds interact with your system, making the smoke more saturated with it, releasing more when tobacco is burned, etc.
Some even add things like cocoa to make the smoke smoother so you can inhale more.

That's not discounting the fact nicotine is indeed a very addictive substance, but just stating its the other "stuff" in there that makes it much more dangerous. It's not only nicotine that causes the 400,00 or so deaths worldwide each year, but the body's reaction to binding agents, flavoring, preservatives, etc. The FDA hasn't done testing past ingestion, not inhalation/burning.

At the very least, vaping isolates it without immolation, and that's a step in the right direction. If kids absolutly had to choose one of the two, which would you prefer? (Disclaimer: I do not advocate kids having access to nicotine, but in some cases it's inevitable)

My best hope is somewhere down the line, there's definitive testing that gets to answer some questions.
No, I don't believe vaping is healthy, but I'm confidant it's worlds better than smoking.