How do y'all feel about this law?

[Oberon75]

Its one single page for me. What exactly am i looking for?

Adverse events.
Total adverse events (AEs) for the double-blind treatment period were 82 for nicotine vs 52 for placebo (χ2[1] = 3.92, p < 0.05). However, the majority of AEs were mild and there was no statistically significant difference in the proportion of adverse events within the different severity classifications between treatments (Mann-Whitney test p = 0.97). No severe AEs were classified as related to drug treatment in either treatment group. Adverse event rates by body systems (figure e-3) were generally comparable, with the exception of gastrointestinal and neurologic, for which there were more AEs reported in the nicotine-treated group. More nicotine-treated subjects (4) discontinued treatment for adverse events than placebo-treated subjects (0) (χ2[1] = 3.79; p = 0.05). No withdrawal symptoms were reported by subjects or informants nor were any subjects reported to be continuing to use nicotine after the study was completed.

 

[KGB7]

Adverse events.
Total adverse events (AEs) for the double-blind treatment period were 82 for nicotine vs 52 for placebo (χ2[1] = 3.92, p < 0.05). However, the majority of AEs were mild and there was no statistically significant difference in the proportion of adverse events within the different severity classifications between treatments (Mann-Whitney test p = 0.97). No severe AEs were classified as related to drug treatment in either treatment group. Adverse event rates by body systems (figure e-3) were generally comparable, with the exception of gastrointestinal and neurologic, for which there were more AEs reported in the nicotine-treated group. More nicotine-treated subjects (4) discontinued treatment for adverse events than placebo-treated subjects (0) (χ2[1] = 3.79; p = 0.05). No withdrawal symptoms were reported by subjects or informants nor were any subjects reported to be continuing to use nicotine after the study was completed.

I see it now.

Trying to figure out how much mg or kg or lb of Nicotine was used during the treatment.

 

[Oberon75]

I see it now.

Trying to figure out how much mg or kg or lb of Nicotine was used during the treatment.

6 months of transdermal nicotine (15 mg/day)

 

[KGB7]

6 months of transdermal nicotine (15 mg/day)

I see that now as well. Thanks.

One last thing. For how long were the subjects monitored after they were no longer given Nicotine.

 

[KGB7]

Here is a good read, straight from the horses mouth;

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...if-you-could-quit-vaping-today-would-you.html

 

[Oberon75]

I see that now as well. Thanks.

One last thing. For how long were the subjects monitored after they were no longer given Nicotine.

Not sure however nicotine withdrawal from cigarettes generally starts at about 30 minutes and peaks at three to five days.

 

[jpargana]

Article makes my blood boil. A couple of .....y customers complain that they can see people smoking while they're sitting in the outdoors cafe of a restaurant, and the end result is banning smoking and vaping on basically any outdoor area in the entire downtown

(...)

It started as "health concerns". Because of them, smoking was banned indoors, REGARDLESS of the owner's opinion on the matter. As if it was too difficult for ANTZ people to simply CHOOSE non-smoking venues (because the OWNER, the guy who must pay his bills, decided that it was good for HIS business to run a non-smoking venue), and leave people alone on smoking venues - once again, because the OWNER decided that having a smoking venue would be better for HIS business.

(Can you imagine a bunch of rabid vegetarians demanding that EVERY restaurant should be vegetarian? Because "ours is the 'right' way to eat", and also because they "have the 'right' to simply walk into just about ANY restaurant they choose without being troubled by the 'disgusting smell' of roasting meat" ? That's what most ANTZ's look like to me.

See what happened with the pubs in England after 2007: many venues closed their doors, because ANTZ people demanded anti-smoking regulations to be applied in places they didn't even GO to in the first place. Smokers were pushed outside and eventually stopped going there, and non-smokers never got the habit of going to a pub - now that all available pubs were fitted "their" way.

But that's not really enough, is it? Now they are crying for outdoor bans, not because cigarette smoke (much less e-cigarette vapour) is ACTUALLY "harming" them, but simply because they do not LIKE what they see. Really ??

 

[Cullin Kin]

I know dude, ...i think im at 10th episode now? That big lady got killed, and after that episodes tv show just got halted for like 3 month.

Yeah, more and more shows are doing that. Like The Flash and AHS just went on a month break mid-season. Driving me nuts! Well, The Americans third season premiers on January 28th so you have some catching up to do!

 

[KGB7]

Yeah, more and more shows are doing that. Like The Flash and AHS just went on a month break mid-season. Driving me nuts! Well, The Americans third season premiers on January 28th so you have some catching up to do!

3rd season?! I dont think i finished watching 1st season.

Well, i got nothing else planned this weekend, so might as well catch up on my commies legal activities.

 

[Danbrooks2k]

I am a full time RVer... 35 foot Thor residency. I take my home with me. In my home I can vape as much as I please.

I recently took the ferry from bolivar island to galveston texas. There is no smoking on the ferry. I was laying in the back bedroom on my queen sized memory foam mattress, watching a movie on my 32 inch TV, and pleasantly vaping away on my kayfun. Next thing I know a ferry worker in a reflective vest was banging on my rv yelling for me to put out the cigarette. I just pulled the blinds and continued to relax until I heard car doors opening and engines starting.

I wouldnt blow clouds in an indoor public place. I generally follow the law. But i draw the line at invading my personal property where I have the right to do as I wish.

 

[englishmick]

It is addictive, because at least half the people on this forum have been vaping juice with Nicotine for at least a year and have no intention of going to 0mg nic juice. Nicotine is addictive with out tobacco, it is the nature of nicotine, thats what nicotine does, its addictive. Thats why juice with Nicotine as high as 36mg exists in the first place. Thats why people that dripp still use juice as high as 12mg. Its addictive!.

I started out using 24mg nic. I pretty quickly went down to 18mg. No particular reason, I just tried 18mg and it worked fine. I've recently started using 12mg without any problems. Could I have gone from 20 cigarettes a day to 15, and then down to 10? Not in this universe. That's what addiction looks like.

Does my personal experience prove conclusively that nicotine isn't addictive? Of course not. But it has a lot more probative value than your absurd statement that nicotine must be addictive because people use it. I don't know whether nicotine is addictive, but I'm leaning towards thinking it's either non-addictive or at worst mildly addictive, based on a lot of reading plus personal experience. You on the other hand are absolutely certain it is addictive. I've seen nothing from you to support your conviction. Maybe you have some solid basis for your belief, but I haven't seen it on this thread.

I don't know what % of people reduce their nicotine level but it looks to be pretty high based on reading this forum. I'll probably try 0% nic sometime, just to see what happens.

If Nicotine was NOT addictive, there would be NO NEED for juice with Nicotine in the first place.

That's a nonsense statement. If Flavouring was NOT addictive, there would be NO NEED for juice with Flavouring in the first place.

 

[skoony]

Its banned because of "Nictotine" in the juice. If there was no Nicotine in the juice, then this would not be an issue. Plus you have kids who never smoked or chewed tobacco products, are now addicted to vaping.

show me one child 'addicted' to vaping that hasn't smoked first.
less than 1% of vapers as a whole are never tobacco users.
its even doubtful that the use of nicotine is even addicting when
not used in tobacco form first.
The Great Nicotine Myth
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

As has been mentioned, it's not necessarily the nicotine you need to worry about. Big Tobacco over the years has added various compounds that increase the addictiveness of nicotine by altering how the chemical is absorbed, how various compounds interact with your system, making the smoke more saturated with it, releasing more when tobacco is burned, etc.
Some even add things like cocoa to make the smoke smoother so you can inhale more.

That's not discounting the fact nicotine is indeed a very addictive substance, but just stating its the other "stuff" in there that makes it much more dangerous. It's not only nicotine that causes the 400,00 or so deaths worldwide each year, but the body's reaction to binding agents, flavoring, preservatives, etc. The FDA hasn't done testing past ingestion, not inhalation/burning.

At the very least, vaping isolates it without immolation, and that's a step in the right direction. If kids absolutly had to choose one of the two, which would you prefer? (Disclaimer: I do not advocate kids having access to nicotine, but in some cases it's inevitable)

My best hope is somewhere down the line, there's definitive testing that gets to answer some questions.
No, I don't believe vaping is healthy, but I'm confidant it's worlds better than smoking.

in all fairness BT used all those additives to comply with FDA regulations as to
the amount of nicotine in each cigarette down to the puff and what differentiated
one brand as opposed to another. in other words,what makes a Winston a Winston,
and a Salem a Salem.
they de-nic'ed just as much tobacco as they processed to have more.
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

Rewired your brain?? Would love to see a long term study on that.

I smoked cigs for 21 years, i started vaping on day one with 0mg Nic juice and after one month, i have Zero craving for Nicotine. After two month, I vaped my friends juice (8ml, 3mg) and i still had no cravings for Nicotine. So how exactly did cigs rewired our brains??

And yet, people vape juice with Nic for years, because their brains is all jacked the ef up from cigs, but my brain is not? Who are you working for?

Black market?? What the eF?? Now you just fell off the band wagon with your tin-foil suit.


Talk about cray cray up in here.

only 30% of smokers develop a dependency to tobacco.
it can range from mild to acute,depends on the person i guess.
i know social smokers that have to through their pack away do to staleness
because a 5 cig per week would be considered a binge for them.
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

Then your article contradicts it self. First it says there has been no study then it says there has been a study. So which is it?? But thats just one article. From a site thats about e-cigs.

Where is the study from English Medical Journal??

the article does not contradict itself.
he states no trials have been done on non tobacco users
to see how addictive it is for addictiveness alone because
of the moral implications. there have been no studies in modern
times concerning just the addictiveness of a substance in
and of itself. these things are taken into account when testing
new drugs for there medicinal qualities.
until the mid twentieth century such studies were done on
things until it became objectionable due to the moral implications
of causing some ones addiction.
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

There is lack of information from this study;

1. How much Nicotine was used to treat a disease?
2. What is the period of time a Nicotine was used for during a treatment for a disease?

And the last question.

Why do people vape juice with Nic after 2 years??

in some cases more than a smoker,in some cases less.
some studies were up to 6 months.
i started out in July of 2013 at 18 nic and remain there because
it is a non-issue and of no concern to me.
a habit that causes harm is an addiction. a habit that causes
no harm is just a habit.
regards
mike

 

[edyle]

Article makes my blood boil. A couple of .....y customers complain that they can see people smoking while they're sitting in the outdoors cafe of a restaurant, and the end result is banning smoking and vaping on basically any outdoor area in the entire downtown (not to mention smoking and vaping are probably already banned anywhere indoors). I mean, how many areas are there in the downtown that are more than 25 feet from a doorway, and are not a part of any road, sidewalk, park, parking-lot ("public sidewalks and right-of-way" covers pretty much any downtown outdoor space, IMHO).

I suspect the writer of this article has indulged in Colorado's recent openness. Take this quote:

While they are largely seen as healthier than cigarettes, they are blamed for luring young people to a life of potential nicotine addiction with their array of candy-like flavors.

...... Madness, anyone? How can anybody write this crap with a straight face?

What we need is a mod that looks like a coffee cup!

 

[Oberon75]

in some cases more than a smoker,in some cases less.
some studies were up to 6 months.
i started out in July of 2013 at 18 nic and remain there because
it is a non-issue and of no concern to me.
a habit that causes harm is an addiction. a habit that causes
no harm is just a habit.
regards
mike

Not to mention many people who do remain on high doses of nicotine could very much be placebo.

 

[KGB7]

So all of you continue to vape juice with Nic because Nic is not addictive.

Yeah..... all i hear is addicts in denial, just like any drug addict.

Im done here.

 

[Oberon75]

So all of you continue to vape juice with Nic because Nic is not addictive.

Yeah..... all i hear is addicts in denial, just like any drug addict.

Im done here.

Of course you are done here because you have absolutely no scientific proof that nicotine on its own is addicting but I could sit here all day with evidence that says otherwise. I posted one very good medical study which you have now apparently dismissed even though you have no proof against it.

All of us who use high nic levels and continue to do so are ex smokers.

I've quit for months at a time in the past and the cravings never fully went away. Some nights, the cravings were hell even months later. Which is why I always went back to cigarettes. I also know people who quit completely, 10 years ago who still experience cigarette cravings. High levels of nicotine in a vaporizer really suppresses these cravings. But even at 24mg. I'm often times craving an actual cigarettes because it's the other chemicals in the nicotine cocktail which cause this addiction.