HOW has the Provari not been cloned?
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I don't see how that could hurt anyone's feelings. But okay, I'll bite...there were numerous previous references to The ProVarinati previously. That symbol is recognized by many here as one of the made up secret society. Perhaps you did not know this. It is certainly a silly graphic, and it is borderline irrelevant, and it does contain a some Latin jargon...I grant you that much. I think you have me on this part of your post.
Yep, that is all true. It was meant to be a humorous explanation of why cloning of this device does not happen. I think you are the only one who was bothered by it...but I could be wrong. You are more or less squared with the facts of the post.
Now who was it that showed up first here and posted irrelevant crap meant to flame the thread... what was the accusation called?
TROLLING?
Well, the post was doing so well up until here...such a shame. How was any of this meant to flame the thread?
Silly, yes. Irrelevant, maybe. Flaming? You will have to show me why my posts were flaming the thread for me to concede that point in your post. I challenge you to back up that assertion.
The "defense" rests.
But I am not quite finished, let me turn the attention to your posting style, sir. I believe if you review the forum rules, you will notice you have missed something. It boils down to this: You can disagree with any idea on this public forum, you have that right so long as your post is reasonably polite (I think yours was) and does not use abusive language (it clearly did not) you have a great deal of latitude in attacking the post. Your post, however, clearly, and in several instances, attacked the poster. This is not permitted. I don't mind, but some people are quite funny about this sort of thing.
So while you no doubt thought that post was insightful and clever (and it was in places, I concede that much) it was also a violation of the spirit of the rules here on ECF. I believe all of my posts, while perhaps silly and irreverent, were much more compliant with the rules.
IMO, the answer is post #11, uhmm that would be you.
It is obvious you've never looked at one closely or held one or you'd know the display is not "just screwed in there".
The two external Phillips head screws attach the clear plastic window, the display itself is recessed into the body for protection with an easily replaceable impact resistant window for further display protection.
Imagine that, double protection for the display, IMO, a great design.
Show me the regulated mod that doesn't have a clear plastic window, attached somehow to the tube/box, that isn't the actual plastic window of the display on the circuit board.
Double protection? Now that's reaching, man.
It's ugly, and to stay on subject, why the heck would anyone want to clone that? They haven't...
Those screws on the Provari are unacceptable at that price tier, but that's just my opinion. Clearly, a screwed on external window has long been unacceptable for any given mods design, on seemingly every price tier.
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Turn the Provari around so the screws aren't visible. Whatdoyaknow! Looks great to me 
Probably because its a rather bad design. People only buy it because its expensive and a provari, if its affordable and not a provari then people just don't feel like they are doing their fair share in diverting money away from starving children.
We buy Provari's because they are reliable, accurate, and quality. That's something China has yet to produce. Take the Evic, people talk about "superior displays" yet I haven't personally seen one that lasted two months without screwing up. Anyone had a Provari display completely stop working?
So I guess, because we value these things, we hate the starving children in China. I suppose you send half of your monthly wages to those poor, starving kids, huh?
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In not sure if my point is getting across, nothing chip related or quality related, just off the shelf vv boards in a clone of the proavi body.
People keep bringing up all the quality components china wouldnt be able to copy when i have said three times now im just talking about current vv chips being dropped into a clone body.
People keep bringing up all the quality components china wouldnt be able to copy when i have said three times now im just talking about current vv chips being dropped into a clone body.
Yeah I missed that part. Thanks for clarifying.
Okay, I don't think that has happened because while I do like the look of the ProVari, I didn't get it for it's looks. I mean, if it simply appeared to be a ProVari but had the same old 33.3 hz chip in it, no warranty, flimsy threads, and a balky button...why would anyone want that? The button rating for 5,000,000 presses is critical for the single button design. It won't work without a reliable button, you know?
Actually I like them too. Enough that when I made the template for my vinyl cutter to cut wraps for mine, I made cutouts for the screws instead of covering them.
This is the recent post in the thread he was addressing.
Ok, I don't have a pony in this fight but you appear to be the fisherman in this thread. He was in fact addressing a recent post in the thread, I've quoted it for you. So did he why would you say otherwise? So if you were not flaming anybody what is the point of your post?
I like my Sigelei Zmax Telescopic V3. This doesn't look anything like a Provari. In fact, Sigelei sells a lot more APVs that look like a Sigelei than the ones that look like Provaris. That's because Provaris look gaudy and over-styling is just plain ugly.
I like the V3 better than the Provari. It costs 25% of what a Provari costs and does more.
What Sigelei Zmax V3 does that Provari won't:
-VV/VW
-accepts 18350, 18490, 18500, 18650 and 2x18350 batteries right out of the box
-uses button top or the less expensive flat top batteries
-heavy stainless steel build
-removable top cap for easy cleaning
-510/eGo connection. The threads are one-piece stainless steel and the best on the market
-flat top cap available so wider atomizers don't look dorky on it, unlike the Provari
-one of the smalest VV/VW tube mods available
I even love the rattlesnake sound that comes from LR cartos. Lets me know the goodness is coming on the highway.
Good post my friend I love my V5 with LR cartos.
Someone might have already responded on this but I have not read the whole thread yet so I'm sorry if I'm redundant.
Anyway, The poster you were questioning in your statement above was responding to another poster, HawaiiVPr, who was asking if it would be a good move for Provape to sell just their chip like Evolve does.
So then he was responding to a specific post & wasn't criticizing the Provari itself, but rather the value of the chip if it were to be sold on its own.
I don't think he was flaming or anything like that but rather sharing his thoughts on that chip.
edit: ...and I AM being redundant since I see someone above me already explained exactly what I did lol. Oh well, just trying to help.
Someone might have already responded on this but I have not read the whole thread yet so I'm sorry if I'm redundant.
Anyway, The poster you were questioning in your statement above was responding to another poster, HawaiiVPr, who was asking if it would be a good move for Provape to sell just their chip like Evolve does.
So then he was responding to a specific post & wasn't criticizing the Provari itself, but rather the value of the chip if it were to be sold on its own.
I don't think he was flaming or anything like that but rather sharing his thoughts on that chip.
edit: ...and I AM being redundant since I see someone above me already explained exactly what I did lol. Oh well, just trying to help.
No worries mate this ENTIRE THREAD is redundant.
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I don't see how Hawaii wondering if ProVape might sell the chipset separately has anything to do with a crack on the "limited underpowered chip" in a ProVari. How was he addressing Hawaii's point, exactly?
To answer your question, I was challenging a post that didn't make sense for the reasons I stated in my post. I stand by it.
Hawaii wasn't wondering if Provape would sell the chipset. He was wondering if selling it would be "a hit" for Provape. And chuckie's response was an implied, 'I don't think so' with his comment about the limited underpowered chip. Seems pretty clear.
JMO: China doesn't clone ProVari's because it's not cost effective, material wise and ease of manufacturing.
Obviously they wouldn't provide a 1 year warranty, gratis, or a repair center, so why bother when they can just pump out mods VV and/or VW with no obligation to the customer other than a "tail light guarantee"?
China manufactures with mass Quantity first, Quality second. And much of their vape gear can and does reach a level close or identical to the authentic/brand name products. I like KFL's. I have had absolutely no issues with the ones I've received out of China, and was kind of surprised at the issues the original KF/KFL's were giving their users when I checked out the Kayfun thread here at ECF. Leaking? Insulator traveling? Wicking and juice groove issues? O-rings detaching? Customer response from manufacturer? Customs rejection of packages?!?! Haven't had any of them.
I can't see why they'd venture into a ProVari style mod because they can't deliver on the entire package, which is why most people buy a ProVari. That would be like buying a brand new vehicle for thousands less, but not having a bumper to bumper warranty. Once you drive off the lot, you're S.O.L.
And as far as "ugly"......not going to buy that. All mods are conspicuous. They stick out like a sore thumb, whether box, tube or pipe. Is there really a beautiful or pretty mod out there? They might have a nice finish or design on them, but really, they're still just trying to distract from the fact that you have something bigger than a cigarette in your hand.
JMO, folks.........
Obviously they wouldn't provide a 1 year warranty, gratis, or a repair center, so why bother when they can just pump out mods VV and/or VW with no obligation to the customer other than a "tail light guarantee"?
China manufactures with mass Quantity first, Quality second. And much of their vape gear can and does reach a level close or identical to the authentic/brand name products. I like KFL's. I have had absolutely no issues with the ones I've received out of China, and was kind of surprised at the issues the original KF/KFL's were giving their users when I checked out the Kayfun thread here at ECF. Leaking? Insulator traveling? Wicking and juice groove issues? O-rings detaching? Customer response from manufacturer? Customs rejection of packages?!?!
Haven't had any of them.I can't see why they'd venture into a ProVari style mod because they can't deliver on the entire package, which is why most people buy a ProVari. That would be like buying a brand new vehicle for thousands less, but not having a bumper to bumper warranty. Once you drive off the lot, you're S.O.L.
And as far as "ugly"......not going to buy that. All mods are conspicuous. They stick out like a sore thumb, whether box, tube or pipe. Is there really a beautiful or pretty mod out there? They might have a nice finish or design on them, but really, they're still just trying to distract from the fact that you have something bigger than a cigarette in your hand.
JMO, folks.........
No problem, it's understandable some stuff would get overlooked in the onslaught of.... whatever it is that goes on whenever someone mentions a Provari. Sorry if my post came off with a bit of attitude, I was just getting frustrated about thread drift and having to repeat myself
I think you're probably right, as were a few others, that the main selling points of the Provari aren't something that's going to be present in the clone. I guess I just underestimated how many other people find the thing hideous, probably because you don't really hear that frequently. "Works great, looks like a ...."
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