HOW has the Provari not been cloned?

[UncleChuck]

JMO: China doesn't clone ProVari's because it's not cost effective, material wise and ease of manufacturing.
Obviously they wouldn't provide a 1 year warranty, gratis, or a repair center, so why bother when they can just pump out mods VV and/or VW with no obligation to the customer other than a "tail light guarantee"?

China manufactures with mass Quantity first, Quality second. And much of their vape gear can and does reach a level close or identical to the authentic/brand name products. I like KFL's. I have had absolutely no issues with the ones I've received out of China, and was kind of surprised at the issues the original KF/KFL's were giving their users when I checked out the kayfun thread here at ECF. Leaking? Insulator traveling? Wicking and juice groove issues? O-rings detaching? Customer response from manufacturer? Customs rejection of packages?!?! Haven't had any of them.

I can't see why they'd venture into a ProVari style mod because they can't deliver on the entire package, which is why most people buy a ProVari. That would be like buying a brand new vehicle for thousands less, but not having a bumper to bumper warranty. Once you drive off the lot, you're S.O.L.

And as far as "ugly"......not going to buy that. All mods are conspicuous. They stick out like a sore thumb, whether box, tube or pipe. Is there really a beautiful or pretty mod out there? They might have a nice finish or design on them, but really, they're still just trying to distract from the fact that you have something bigger than a cigarette in your hand.

JMO, folks.........

But China pumps out a MASSIVE variety of products. They aren't shy about throwing something out and seeing if it sticks. It just seems odd, even now, that with the tons and tons of crap they have designed they never just made a 1:1 external replica to drop a chip into.

Perfect example is the Itaste 134 clone. Really, the 134 is not a common popular mod. It's a novelty item. That thing is FAR more complex to design and manufacture than a simple provari body. Yet they still chose to clone that thing, but not a provari?

Sigelei cloned the Zmax from Smoktech, few differences here and there again, but the point stands, China is not shy at all about cloning anything, mech, APV, it doesn't matter. They have produced tons of clones of random stuff nobody really wants (not to offend the person in this thread that loves bowling pin looking APVs )

Give me an hour, calipers, and a provari and I'll give you an Autocad or Solidworks file with an exact 1:1 Provari body. That body will not cost anymore to manufacture than any other tube of the same material. Give me a bit more time and the inside of the tube will be able to accept a Zmax board drop-in. Manufacturing it would be no different than making a Vamo, or a Zmax, or an SVD.

It just seems strange that they are willing to try so many different ideas and designs, but not something that seems so obvious.

 

[jrs99]

ETA: I just Googled "Murica" and am now deeply depressed.

Can't freakin stand that term. It's sad patriotism and pride in the US has become so politically incorrect and frowned upon.

 

[NiNi]

But China pumps out a MASSIVE variety of products. They aren't shy about throwing something out and seeing if it sticks. It just seems odd, even now, that with the tons and tons of crap they have designed they never just made a 1:1 external replica to drop a chip into.

Perfect example is the Itaste 134 clone. Really, the 134 is not a common popular mod. It's a novelty item. That thing is FAR more complex to design and manufacture than a simple provari body. Yet they still chose to clone that thing, but not a provari?

Sigelei cloned the Zmax from Smoktech, few differences here and there again, but the point stands, China is not shy at all about cloning anything, mech, APV, it doesn't matter. They have produced tons of clones of random stuff nobody really wants (not to offend the person in this thread that loves bowling pin looking APVs )

Give me an hour, calipers, and a provari and I'll give you an Autocad or Solidworks file with an exact 1:1 Provari body. That body will not cost anymore to manufacture than any other tube of the same material. Give me a bit more time and the inside of the tube will be able to accept a Zmax board drop-in. Manufacturing it would be no different than making a Vamo, or a Zmax, or an SVD.

It just seems strange that they are willing to try so many different ideas and designs, but not something that seems so obvious.

Maybe it's as simple as the international patents and copyrights? Or that people who buy the ProVari do so specifically because of the warranty and customer service?

And like it's been said, similar products are being produced in China, like the SiD and eVic, both of which I have, but I like the ProVari specifically because I have "options" beyond the trash can if it craps out on me. <----Huge selling point for me.

BTW: I also have an iTaste 134.....definitely a novelty, but it's cool looking!

 

[bulldog63h]

Maybe it's as simple as the international patents and copyrights? Or that people who buy the ProVari do so specifically because of the warranty and customer service?

And like it's been said, similar products are being produced in China, like the SiD and eVic, both of which I have, but I like the ProVari specifically because I have "options" beyond the trash can if it craps out on me. <----Huge selling point for me.
BTW: I also have an iTaste 134.....definitely a novelty, but it's cool looking!

I love the looks of the 134. Mainly because it's modeled after one of the most beautiful weapon system ever devised by man. The diameter is just too much for me. I don't want to spend money on something that's going to be a home only device. I just don't have the funds for it.

 

[Gato del Jugo]

Not taking a dig.. but an honest question...


Do any non-US PV companies, specifically but not limited to China, do a cerakote finish?

I haven't seen any...


Yes, my black ProVari sort of reminds me of a firearm..

 

[zapped]

They could easily clone it but the cost are significant the provari does use expensive modules. Are the modules better than the cheaper modules -- most definitely that unit may last three or four lifetimes like old tv's.

I disagree with anyone who says they will never vape over 20 watts. When someone tries a mod that hits over 20 watts with a proper coil and wick they are then changed and know now, this', this is what I seek, now i are vaping; by accident I started vaping as so was my foray into above 20 watt vaping regulated and there is no going back.

You just met one of them then.I tried P Busardos setup at Vapercon this past October, he was rocking sub ohm and 20 watts instead of his trusty Provari and I hated it. Thinking it might have been the juice or that it just caught me by surprise, I tried someone elses at 30 watts. It was even worse.

Might come as a shock to you but some of us dont like hot vapor.

 

[p.opus]

We buy Provari's because they are reliable, accurate, and quality. That's something China has yet to produce.

Funny. I have not had a single issue with any of my MVP's and i consider them acceptably reliable, accurate and quality given the price point.

I also think my $40 Zmax v3 is acceptably reliable, accurate and quality, as long as I don't overtighten the telescoping sections into the control board. A two dollar bottle of Noalox smooths the threads incredibly and removes a lot of the thread slop.

So I have three mods with 2 18650 batteries, for 20 dollars less than one ProVari without batteries.

Will any of these mods "out last" a Provari?....Nope, not even close. But they are very inexpensive to replace, and by spacing my usage across three. I have the ability to make them last quite a long time.

For the cost of a single Provari starter kit....I got Two MVP2's (with included Iclear 30 and Iclear 16), 1 Sigelei V3, 2 16850 batteries, A charger, and two Kayfun clones.

Like someone said, how you spend your money is my own business. But I will put up my MVP2 with a Kayfun Clone against any Provari with a Kanger Protank 2.

Just sayin....

 

[Myrany]

Speaking of Provari I ordered my Silver Satin Finish with extended cap and blue display this morning. Although I am always going to be predominantly a REOnaut I did want one Durable and solid VV device for the vapocalypse prep.

So someone let me know where to find info on the Provarinati initiation practices.

 

[irwink]

I'm not sure why any manufacturer, Chinese or otherwise, would want to make a more exact cosmetic clone of the Provari than they already have. I've got a Smoktech Zmax that looks pretty close although a little longer when both are powered by an 18650. Minus all other factors they're both just battery tubes on the surface. In that light it's already been pretty much cosmetically cloned except for the color choices.

The chips make the performance difference. There are chips that are arguably close enough, equal or better performing with more features available than Provape's though. Cosmetic cloning alone is meaningless to me.

The biggest thing the Provari has going for it imo is a track record of ruggedness, dependability and customer support. That hasn't been surpassed yet despite one's opinions on performance and features.

Cloning appearance alone to me would be pointless.

 

[zapped]

Give me an hour, calipers, and a provari and I'll give you an Autocad or Solidworks file with an exact 1:1 Provari body. That body will not cost anymore to manufacture than any other tube of the same material. Give me a bit more time and the inside of the tube will be able to accept a Zmax board drop-in. Manufacturing it would be no different than making a Vamo, or a Zmax, or an SVD.

It just seems strange that they are willing to try so many different ideas and designs, but not something that seems so obvious.

Youve never tried a Provari for any length of time have you?

The setup you just mentioned, an exact copy of the Provari's body with a Z-max chip inside, would fail miserably.

A Z-max oscillates to arrive at an average voltage or wattage. For a setting of 5 volts, it could go as low as 4 volts and as high 6 volts and believe it or not, many of us can taste the difference.

A Provari has a linear filter that turns that oscillation to a flat line so that youre getting a true 5 volts. As a result its a much more consistent and satisfying vape.

Go to a local brick and mortar and ask to try both side by side, you might be pleasantly surprised. Some vapers tend to think of a pv as a battery holder or a tube and thats not the case with the Provari.

 

[potholerepairman]

The provari imo may be clone-able, but its following is toughness and good feeling of the company, costco comes to mind in a lot of ways.This coming from one who had issue with a pro(that they serviced) and loves disposables(chromebooks).The pro just feels and gives a charge to me like no other.I have bought and use some close to it and like those too, but when the lights out and grabbing one off a table, you just know its a pro.

 

[Robino1]

Speaking of Provari I ordered my Silver Satin Finish with extended cap and blue display this morning. Although I am always going to be predominantly a REOnaut I did want one Durable and solid VV device for the vapocalypse prep.

So someone let me know where to find info on the Provarinati initiation practices.

Welcome to the dark side

 

[edyle]

I wouldn't want one, and please let's not get into clone ethics, but it just struck me today how is it possible that the Provari hasn't been cloned yet?

I know the Vmax was kinda a clone, similar appearance and function, as well as the later Zmaxes both Smoktech and Sigelei, but today we are seeing 1:1 near exact replicas of tons of different devices, but not the Provari? It's a very popular, well known, and expensive device, which should make it ripe for cloning, yet nothing.

I wouldn't expect them to get the board anywhere near that of a Provari, but they would have no issue copying 1:1 the entire body and external design and sticking the old 33hz chip in there, and I'm sure it would sell.

Does Provari hold an ancient secret that allows them to fight cloners with some sort of dark magic? Does the Provari command such great respect even the Chinese refuse to make an exact copy? Kind of a looking into the sun type of thing?

In all seriousness I do find it very surprising we haven't seen a 1:1 Provari copy out there, anyone agree?

No I do not find it surprising.

What exactly would you clone? Or are you another one conflating clone with counterfeit?

If somebody made an almost exact duplicate of a provari, but in chome plated brass and called it Propapi, there'd be no reason to additionally include VW and eGo threading, but then it wouldn't be a clone anymore.


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ALSO: Where are you going to get a Provari?
As far as I know, they seem to be ordered direct from Provape anyway

 

[edyle]

Wow, two viral thread hot button issues in one title!

One important question - What would you consider a clone to be? You said not the same board. What are the other features of a Provari?

Tube shape and made of metal - many out there.
Horrible one button interface - many out there.
510 connector that seats larger devices flush but has airflow - many out there.
Can use an assortment of 18XXX batteries - many out there.
High price - a few out there.
Bragging rights - not so much out there?

Yes what constitutes a clone.

And in particular: can you clone a warranty?

 

[edyle]

Could it be Just the name itself Provari? Maybe people just buy the name ? There are a lot of same shaped units out there that do the same thing ...hmm maybe people just buy the name..Like Levi or Coke well not coke there is just one Coke..

Yup, they order direct from Provape, and get a Warranty.

 

[vapomike]

Why clone something when you can make something better... The provari is lackluster in features. I can't believe the price has stayed where it is at with as far as vaping has came since it's release. It doesn't offer vw which will always beat vv imo. When I came back to vaping I was like I should get a Provari. I'm sure the price has came down that or they have added VW by now. Nope... still overpriced for what it offers and not keeping up with modern vaping. I ended up with the MVP and I'm happy with it. I paid $50 for it and if I get a year out of it I'll buy another and still have less tied up in a 2600mah vw device than I would for a 1100mah vv device. It doesn't have a native ego/510 connector. This isn't even mentioning the ability to charge other usb devices off of it. While I find that point novelty in nature it is still added value to the MVP.

So why would the China manufacturers care to clone something that isn't keeping up with the times? They would sell more of the cheaper mods that do more. Yes I actually did try a Provari last week in a local vape shop. It vaped about the same as my MVP once I found the voltage that would be equivalent to my wattage setting on the MVP. It's not some kind of magic vapestick. It still uses a battery to heat up a coil that then vaporizes a liquid to make vapor. At this point an APV that doesn't offer ego/510 threading nor offers a wattage setting is kind of pointless. Provape seriously needs to update the Provari with modern features for the China manufacturers to even start thinking about cloning it.

 

[Plumes.91]

I love when I get to read comments that sound just like me before I got to see & feel & vape a Provari.

I hope you can try one soon man. Until then, keep on using the "behind the times" line I guess.

 

[Myrany]

Why would clone something when you can make something better... The provari is lackluster in features. I can't believe the price has stayed where it is at with as far as vaping has came since it's release. It doesn't offer vw which will always beat vv imo. When I came back to vaping I was like I should get a Provari. I'm sure the price has came down that or they have added VW by now. Nope... still overpriced for what it offers and not keeping up with modern vaping. I ended up with the MVP and I'm happy with it. I paid $50 for it and if I get a year out of it I'll buy another and still have less tied up in a 2600mah vw device than I would for a 1100mah vv device. It doesn't have a native ego/510 connector. This isn't even mentioning the ability to charge other usb devices off of it. While I find that point novelty in nature it is still added value to the MVP.

So why would the China manufacturers care to clone something that isn't keeping up with the times? They would sell more of the cheaper mods that do more. Yes I actually did try a Provari last week in a local vape shop. It vaped about the same as my MVP once I found the voltage that would be equivalent to my wattage setting on the MVP. It's not some kind of magic vapestick. It still uses a battery to heat up a coil that then vaporizes a liquid to make vapor. At this point an APV that doesn't offer ego/510 threading nor offers a wattage setting is kind of pointless. Provape seriously needs to update the Provari with modern features for the China manufacturers to even start thinking about cloning it.

No it is not a magic vapestick at all BUT

If things go the way they are looking like they will ordering vape stuff on the internet will be a thing of the past. For those of us without a good B & M in a reasonable drive it makes sense to buy a nearly indestructible device NOW while we can still get it. Once internet sales shut down many of us are just SOL for getting anything.

 

[p.opus]

Youve never tried a Provari for any length of time have you?

A Z-max oscillates to arrive at an average voltage or wattage. For a setting of 5 volts, it could go as low as 4 volts and as high 6 volts and believe it or not, many of us can taste the difference.

A Provari has a linear filter that turns that oscillation to a flat line so that youre getting a true 5 volts. As a result its a much more consistent and satisfying vape.

Go to a local brick and mortar and ask to try both side by side, you might be pleasantly surprised. Some vapers tend to think of a pv as a battery holder or a tube and thats not the case with the Provari.

I have an MVP 2 which also has constant flat line voltage out and a Sigelei Zmax V3 and I can tell you honestly that on my Kayfun clone they vape identically. I bought the whole "rattlesnake" argument before I got my Zmax. I looked at the graphs that pbusardo put out and was convinced that rattle snaking had to make a difference.

Maybe it's the Kayfun, but I can't hear the rattlesnake on the Zmax, and I definitely can't taste it.

If you can taste the difference, fine. But I also think that much of this is due to placebo effect.

You know you have the ProVari in your hand, You know you're vaping it and you know it should taste better because you paid 3 to 4 times more for it...So you notice a difference. I would be interested in finding out how many ProVari owners would be able to identify in a double blind test on the exact same topper with someone putting the device in their mouth and actuating the button.

And finally, a PV IS a battery holder or tube. The ProVari happens to be one made from stainless steel and made with high quality components and highly accurate voltage regulation. If those are your overriding concerns for purchasing one, then that is fantastic.

However, my contention is that a high quality topper beats out a mod any day. A kayfun on a Zmax V3 or MVP is going to kill a Protank on a Provari.

Luckily for ProVari owners there are very high quality Kayfun Clones out there so they don't have to pay over 300 dollars for a Kayfun ProVari combo.

 

[meanckz]

The Russian designed and engineered Semovar uses an off-the-shelf Russian designed and engineered Nivel chip, do they not?

that doesn't make it a clone, it makes it a co-production