HOW has the Provari not been cloned?

[MasteroftheVape]

*disclaimer, i did not read past page 1 of this post* clones all use relativly the same 33.33hz chip that comes mass produced out of china. cheap, easy to come by. The provari is like 800hz or something and is patented/owned by said company. Provape has sole rights to use the chip, unlike a zna20 or 30 chip that any manufacturer can buy to use in their products.

 

[HawaiiVPR]

I wonder if it would be a hit if Provape sold the chipset separately like Evolve does with the dna boards?

 

[supermarket]

Theory: As you move up into the price/feature chain the market gets smaller. In other words... the clones would be competing for an already smaller crowd.

Nothing to base this on mind you. Do other high-end mods get cloned?

Ummm....yea.

It is the high end mods that are the ones that get cloned.

 

[KenD]

Ummm....yea.

It is the high end mods that are the ones that get cloned.

Not vv/vw mods though.

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[v1ck]

I think the Provari is a US Only interest, I've only ever seen one and i work on the ground for an e-cig retailer, The guy said he spent a fortune importing it from the US and even after all the money he's spent, he hates it

It did look pig ugly too

I'm in west yorkshire, where do you work/who for?

I'm desperately searching for a good B&M shop.

 

[tj99959]

Simple, they can't produce it for enough less than what Provape sells them for. Why would the clone it if they would have to sell it for the same price to make any money.

 

[milescadre]

tldr the whole topic, but the Zmax v2 is awfully similar to the function and form of a older provari... just saying =P

I dont think theres literally a provari clone, but theres alot of mods by their own names that look ALOT like a provari (sid, zmax v2, etc)

my 2 cents for what its worth

 

[chuckie]

I wonder if it would be a hit if Provape sold the chipset separately like Evolve does with the DNA boards?

Not sure why anyone would want limited underpowered chip when there are much better ones available.

 

[Baditude]

Not sure why anyone would want limited underpowered chip when there are much better ones available.

Very few vapers need nor want to vape super high voltage. Very few need nor want to vape in the sub-ohm range.

The Provari fits what the majority of vapers need and want. Something that is dependable and reliable, consistant from the first to last puff, and durable yet backed by strong customer service for life should a problem arise. It is these qualities that make the Provari so popular.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Not sure why anyone would want limited underpowered chip when there are much better ones available.

I am not sure why you would post this since it doesn't address a recent post in the thread, and it doesn't seem to address the OP. It is apparently intended to be inflammatory.

Some people might consider this post an attempt at flaming the thread, others would just call it trolling. I personally just see the post as an ill-defined and poorly-worded random comment.



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[Visus]

They could easily clone it but the cost are significant the provari does use expensive modules. Are the modules better than the cheaper modules -- most definitely that unit may last three or four lifetimes like old tv's.

I disagree with anyone who says they will never vape over 20 watts. When someone tries a mod that hits over 20 watts with a proper coil and wick they are then changed and know now, this', this is what I seek, now i are vaping; by accident I started vaping as so was my foray into above 20 watt vaping regulated and there is no going back.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I've always imagined it something like Si-gar-ree.

That's Japanese, not Chinese.

 

[EddardinWinter]

They could easily clone it but the cost are significant the provari does use expensive modules. Are the modules better than the cheaper modules -- most definitely that unit may last three or four lifetimes like old tv's.

I disagree with anyone who says they will never vape over 20 watts. When someone tries a mod that hits over 20 watts with a proper coil and wick they are then changed and know now, this', this is what I seek, now i are vaping; by accident I started vaping as so was my foray into above 20 watt vaping regulated and there is no going back.

I have tried, and hated 20W sub-ohm vaping. Then I took a break from it. I tried again about a month later (mainly because my Caravela was too pretty to just sit there). The second time around I found a set up for my drippers that works pretty darn well. So you are right in a sense. One should be hesitant to say "never", because that is a very long time. And you are absolutely correct, wicking, air flow, coil configuration, having the right atty to set it up properly, etc. all contribute to make it a workable experience at 20W+. If any one of these is done improperly, the flavor is ruined.

However, some vapers simply will never feel the urge to try it if they are satisfied with their regulated 8-12 Watt vape. Now, determining who those vapers are is a dicey prospect.

EDIT: I do go back, though. I vape most of my juice on a ProVari between 1.2 and 1.5 ohms. I do vape regularly on my 'vela at 0.7-0.8 ohms, and enjoy it too.

EDIT 2: I also would like to see a beefier ProVari which would fire to 0.6 ohms and had a maximum Wattage more like 20Watts (or a bit more). I would gladly pay for such an improved ProVari.

 

[FearTX]

Clones are made for the people that want to get the most for their money. Most features, be able to afford more than one or two. Etc.

Clone a Provari and you will have the bargain hunters saying "meh" does not do variable wattage, the people that buy the Provari for their own reasons will look at the clone and go "meh" no US based service, no warranty, build quality is "meh"

I own several clones of various devices, I own several authentic mods. I have no issue with either. I look for what is an acceptable price point in the device I am going to purchase and click buy.

M16 mechanical - not worth near 200$, very much worth $30 or so.

Nemesis mechanical - Not worth 200-250, very much worth 25$-50$ Might be worth 150$ or so but I dunno, haven't seen one at that price.

Provari - Worth every penny that I paid for it.

MVP2 - Worth every penny of the 40$ I paid for it.

Hana V3 - Worth every penny I am about to spend on it.

Billet Box - If I can ever load the page fast enough it will be worth every penny spent. Now that's a seriously limited device, VV only, that costs what a Provari does. I am ok with that.

Reo - Probably going to be worth it, seriously ugly though, would rather buy a PDib

Poldiac, Gus Lord etc etc, worth it.

Prism - might be worth 160$, still trying to make my mind up on it, probably will do so once the Colt matching atty is released.

It's your money to spend as you wish. I do not really care what anyone buys, I do hope they are enjoying the journey, but again, don't really care. I am having a blast....

And, free from tobacco.

 

[Robino1]

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Can't remember why I picked this quote up......

Pardon moi, he is a vase.

It looks like a bowling pin

Who are you kidding, anyway? That Bobo is a bowling pin, not a vase/vas/vhaahs.



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Uh huh

Nuh uh.

Product Description
1. BoBo is made of white and blue porcelain, on the exterior is the traditional Chinese pattern, elegant and graceful.
2. BoBo is a variable voltage mod, with adjustable voltage from 3. V-6.0V, and variable wattage from 3.0W-15.0W.

It wouldn't be practical to make a bowling pin out of porcelain.

Still looks like a bowling pin to me. Always did.

There is no reason to clone a ProVari.

The people who purchase ProVari's purchase them for the exact features that would not be cloned.
1. Build Quality
2. Performance.

I have a chinese clone Kayfun by ECigar which is excellent, but it's easy to take measurements and simply machine the parts. The Kayfun is a great atty, but almost anyone will tell you it's intentionally overpriced and supplies are kept low specifically to give a certain cache to the purchaser of an original Kayfun. Hell, even the Russian is a high priced Clone that is built in China, but it too is kept priced intentionally high so that now people consider a Russian as a separate product instead of the clone that it is.

A ProVari is not artificially rare. A ProVari is readily available with little or no wait time.

Also, it makes no sense to an exact clone of the Provari if you are not going to clone the chipset.

Instead, China attempts to compensate in build quality and accuracy in three ways.

1. Feature set. Almost all current Chinese Mod's include VW in addition to VV. Many of them have a more "advanced" displays and some of them use built in batteries that charge directly from USB or allow you to charge another device. The chinese compensate for their build quality with more features.

2. Flexibility. A Chinese tube mods are either telescoping or include all the tubes necessary to allow for battery size. A Sigelei V3 or V5 can adjust from an 18350 up to stacked 18350's without the need to purchase additional product.

3. Although not as accurate as a ProVari, many are "accurate enough". I think of it as the difference between buying a steak at Longhorn or Outback to buying a steak at Ruths Chris. Some think a Ruths Chris steak is sublime and everything below it is crap. Some say a Ruths Chris steak is overpriced, and for the price of a single piece of meat, they can get a whole dinner at Outback. No one says that Outback is "better" but many say it's "good enough". Same thing is said of the Sigelei or MVP. Maybe it's not as accurate as a ProVari, but people are satisfied enough with the performance.

I personally find the whole rattlesnake thing overrated. I have an MVP 2 and a Sigelei with the 33hz chipset, and I can't for the life of me tell the difference betwwen the two, even though the MVP 2 has a flat signal like the ProVari and the Sigelei has visible PWM on the output.

I also think some ProVari owners suffer from Placebo effect.

A ProVari costs 4 times as much as a Sigelei or MVP2 so it has to "taste better". Taste is affected by so many things. I guarantee that my Kayfun clone on a Sigelei at 33hz tastes a LOT better than a ProVari on a Protank 2 or Evod.

The bottom line is that the most desired things about a ProVari, build quality and accuracy are two of the things that would be lost by cloning them.

China is now competing with ProVari building high quality mods like the VTR or iTaste 134 that have excellent build quality, but have their own identity and feature set.

Now I want Ruth's Chris again. It's been too long. it is a better steak and the service.....outstanding. Outback has great steaks but they don't come out to you on a plate that is still sizzling even after a couple of minutes sitting on the table.

Damn, it's morning and I'm hungry for a steak! Thanks

 

[InTheShade]

...You have to be able to enjoy one liquid for a large portion of the day. It's much easier to change out a tank or 2 than it is to change out the bottles on a bottom feeder...

I open the door on my REO, unscrew the bottle, screw in a new bottle, close the door, squonk and vape.

Now fair enough, you will get some mixing of flavors for the first few hits, but that's it. I swap flavors several times a day with minimal effort.

The VMOD takes a tad longer as you usually have to remove the drip tip and unscrew the outer skin from the inner before changing the bottle out - but again, it's hardly a major hassle.

 

[Funk Dracula]

I am not sure why you would post this since it doesn't address a recent post in the thread, and it doesn't seem to address the OP. It is apparently intended to be inflammatory.

Some people might consider this post an attempt at flaming the thread, others would just call it trolling. I personally just see the post as an ill-defined and poorly-worded random comment.

Says the guy who enters the thread with a silly graphic, no statement of any relevance, just some jargon in LATIN.

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The the next posts from the same guy insinuates that somehow, he's an actual Lion, and we are left with said lions recollections of stalking someone, with pictures of course.

Because I will eat anyone who tries to copy our device.

They look around to make sure the coast is clear. But they don't see me lurking in the high grass as the afternoon light fades. They think they can get away with making just one copycat.

I stalk closer.

They fumble for a battery tube machined in a US shop made by pure US Steel bar stock....they search for a circuit board made in the US....they know it's taking too long. But they think they are soooo close to building the clone....they just need a few minutes more.

I stalk closer.

They reach for the threading machine, knowing the need only to thread the tube's end cap....they are so close now they can taste it. Victory is within their grasp! They hear a rustle nearby....they look up, and then....they see me.

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Now who was it that showed up first here and posted irrelevant crap meant to flame the thread... what was the accusation called?

TROLLING?

 

[Robino1]

He's just an over grown kitty cat.

 

[bluecat]

My experiences with Sigelei were, well, they bit (if I must be blunt). Mods didn't hold up, and asking for help was about as successful as trying to get a date with a supermodel (for me, at least).

My experiences with Provari, on the other hand, were... "different" (aka "phenomenal").

Let me guess? You but a battery in. Put a good atty on top and vape?

Hmmmmm.

Not knocking Provari.. they do what they do... just knocking clones is silly. It's a tube/box with a battery a device attached and some liquid inside.

Yes, I have tried a Provari. It has a slightly different vape than others. Is it worth the extra 100+ bucks? That all depends on your wallet. My wallet doesn't think so.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Now who was it that showed up first here and posted irrelevant crap meant to flame the thread... what was the accusation called?

TROLLING?

IMO, the answer is post #11, uhmm that would be you.


It is obvious you've never looked at one closely or held one or you'd know the display is not "just screwed in there".
The two external Phillips head screws attach the clear plastic window, the display itself is recessed into the body for protection with an easily replaceable impact resistant window for further display protection.
Imagine that, double protection for the display, IMO, a great design.