HOW has the Provari not been cloned?
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I don't see the pepper spray similarities but it really is all in the Eye of the beholder. FWIW, I've heard many people talk of what the provari reminds them of too...It really runs the gamut
Everything in this universe is either an innie or an outtie or some combination of the two. Every mod is an outtie on the outside and an innie once you screw off the cap. Freud went bananas seeing bananas everywhere.
I had thought they were much lighter based 0n a post in a Zna30 thread.
But being as you held it in hand and I trust you...I believe it must be heavy. Was the Fit & finish impressive?
Nope. Name one instance where the Chinese market has given a single crap about that.
I don't see the pepper spray similarities but it really is all in the Eye of the beholder. FWIW, I've heard many people talk of what the provari reminds them of too...It really runs the gamut
Ya know, I was just thinking about that earlier and the fact I didn't see the word "pop-up" in this thread. I was very saddened by lack of that word in here but at least you hinted to it.
I feel better now.
And just for the record. My Provari is a defect. It's not ribbed for her pleasure and they screwed up and inverted the lumpy things and made them dimples instead.
Geesh... you would think for the money they charge they'd get something like that right.
Actually it appears that ZEN is adding "mechanical reverse battery protection" similar to the way that ProVape does theirs. Here is something from the ZNA website that implies that they are adding physical reverse battery protection. At least you won't be able to plop down 3 bills and then kill your device because you put in the battery wrong.
Some quick internet searching seems to indicate the Dna30 is a brilliant little piece of engineering. The special edition ZNA30 mod looks Flawless in appearance. Real attention to detail at its very best. The only knock seems to be very limited (Mech)reverse battery protection but they claim that the battery itself can be more accurately monitored with the current set-up....I'm not sure about how I feel on that one. Anyone familiar with the reverse batt issues ?
It looks like a stapler.
Not a whole lot according to MikeOfZen, watch the 2 PBusardo videos with him on the subject, they just work in two very different manners.
I think it looks really slick. It also just oozes quality. I mean it's a tank and the fit and finish is amazing. I didn't think I was "that guy". But there is definitely a difference when you hold a ZNA in your hand compared to a Vamo or Sigelei telescoping. No comparison.
Of course I might be confused if I ever got my hands on a Wizard Evolved. Titanium? The thing would feel so light.....I'd probably not like it.
Of course I might be confused if I ever got my hands on a Wizard Evolved. Titanium? The thing would feel so light.....I'd probably not like it.
The ZNA 30 only takes button top batteries too. For probably the exact same reason.
Here's a more detailed explanation from ProVape's website:
"It is important to know that the ProVari requires a battery with a button top on the positive end. The battery contact pin has been recessed up into the circuit board so flat top batteries will not make contact. This is part of the reverse battery protection we implemented in the ProVari.
We recommend using the AW brand red high drain batteries.
Also, using a flat top battery with a magnet on top will void your warranty. This is not a good idea. We have had customers attempt this and either they put the magnet on the wrong (negative end) of the battery and they wind up frying their circuit board or they put the magnet on the positive end but it shifts and makes contact with the metal tube which will also fry the circuit board.
Please DO NOT use magnets in the ProVari. The circuit board has a lot of delicate components on it that would not be able to handle a hard surge of electricity if anything went wrong."
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I imagine it's quite a bit more advanced than the ProVape (or more properly, the ProVape-1), after all the ProVape-1 is just a 3.7v mod with protection built in. Basically, an almost indestructible eGo (without eGo threading) with replaceable batteries and a lifetime warranty.
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I don't see the pepper spray similarities but it really is all in the Eye of the beholder. FWIW, I've heard many people talk of what the provari reminds them of too...It really runs the gamut
Really...you see no resemblance?
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"Captain....To risk damage to a $200.00 to $300.00 APV to save a couple dollars on a battery is...illogical."
"Yes Spock....I know...."
"Jim.....We're talking Universal Armegeddon and the man is talking logic!!!!!!"
"Really Doctor, your emotions will be your undoing..."
Not sure how this thread got so far off of reality, but here's a dose -
-Chinese don't care about patents, rights or any of that crap, so that's not the reason for the lack of a clone.
-The high price of the Provari theory is also horridly incorrect also. If that was the case why would the clone the Squape, Kraken, Nemesis or other? They don't intend to sell any of those at high prices do they?
-Machining mechs is certainly easier and faster than doing boards, but not cheaper. You'd be surprised how fast a cnc lathe can thread and part simple tubes.
My guess? Why bother. ProVari owners don't necessarily buy them for their good looks. I know I didn't. Matter of fact, I think they could use a bit of a refresh in that department, not to mention some options. On the other hand, one of the big attractions of the Nemesis, Chi, Turtle, etc is their looks.
People are more likely to complete impulse purchases based on the shiny appearance of the thing that caught their eye. Most, not all, people who have bought a ProVari have done it after doing some research. that purchase is made after studied education - i.e. it's not a quick sale.
So in the end there seem to be several factors -
1 - the Chinese apv's decided to go a different direction by offering more bells, whistles, gadgets and gizmos.
2 - I'm sure they figured they could do it cheaper and better - which is totally open to interpretation.
3 - The quick sale, quantity over quality.
4 - Repeat business. The cheapos break sooner and have no repair service offered, aside from what I'm sure is a useless and figurative warranty on some of them. So customers keep coming back to buy more.
5 - ............
Don't think for a second that the Chinese are just mass producing idiots. They didn't become the largest single economy in the world in a very short span of time on accident. I'm sure when considering what to clone next, the above points and 100 more were gone over in great detail.
Oh, and by the way (not that I'm a China fan, but) the next time you knock China, think of who it was that invented the modern ecigarette - A Chinese pharmacist and smoker, Han Lik.
-Chinese don't care about patents, rights or any of that crap, so that's not the reason for the lack of a clone.
-The high price of the Provari theory is also horridly incorrect also. If that was the case why would the clone the Squape, Kraken, Nemesis or other? They don't intend to sell any of those at high prices do they?
-Machining mechs is certainly easier and faster than doing boards, but not cheaper. You'd be surprised how fast a cnc lathe can thread and part simple tubes.
My guess? Why bother. ProVari owners don't necessarily buy them for their good looks. I know I didn't. Matter of fact, I think they could use a bit of a refresh in that department, not to mention some options. On the other hand, one of the big attractions of the Nemesis, Chi, Turtle, etc is their looks.
People are more likely to complete impulse purchases based on the shiny appearance of the thing that caught their eye. Most, not all, people who have bought a ProVari have done it after doing some research. that purchase is made after studied education - i.e. it's not a quick sale.
So in the end there seem to be several factors -
1 - the Chinese apv's decided to go a different direction by offering more bells, whistles, gadgets and gizmos.
2 - I'm sure they figured they could do it cheaper and better - which is totally open to interpretation.
3 - The quick sale, quantity over quality.
4 - Repeat business. The cheapos break sooner and have no repair service offered, aside from what I'm sure is a useless and figurative warranty on some of them. So customers keep coming back to buy more.
5 - ............
Don't think for a second that the Chinese are just mass producing idiots. They didn't become the largest single economy in the world in a very short span of time on accident. I'm sure when considering what to clone next, the above points and 100 more were gone over in great detail.
Oh, and by the way (not that I'm a China fan, but) the next time you knock China, think of who it was that invented the modern ecigarette - A Chinese pharmacist and smoker, Han Lik.
You've been reading those newbie threads again haven't you? You know, the ones that start with, "Hi, I want to sub-oHm vape. What's the cheapest mech and batteries I can buy?" or "I want to sub-oHm, I've got these 18650 batteries from a laptop computer's power pack. I should be fine, right?"
Edit: To kind of get back on topic, the chinese should clone the ProVari's battery tube. I wouldn't mind having more options than "would you like teardrops or crop circles?" A clone of the TeleVari would be nice.
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The ZNA 30 only takes button top batteries too. For probably the exact same reason. I imagine it's quite a bit more advanced than the ProVape (or more properly, the ProVape-1), after all the ProVape-1 is just a 3.7v mod with protection built in. Basically, an almost indestructible eGo (without eGo threading) with replaceable batteries and a lifetime warranty.
If you don't know the reason why the ZNA30 only takes button tops, than you surely have no idea of the comparison between the two, and you should definitely watch the videos with Mike and Phil discussing this very subject.
Although I'm sure it's far more advanced than the Provape-1, Mike didn't discuss that one
Seriously though, watch what Mike has to say about the Provari, quite impressive and reassuring. H
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If there was a clone i imagine a quick cease and desist would be sent via Provari and yep they have enough money to put clout behind it, where as for smaller manufacturers it isn't worth the cost at names sake, hate to say it but sometimes clones make a sale of the original so can be in there best interest to not chase.
No i don't like clones but i know why they sit in the market place. IMO
No i don't like clones but i know why they sit in the market place. IMO
I haven't watched the Mike & Phil video. But I do know that the Kick does not have reverse battery protection, and using reversed batteries with a Kick will destroy it.
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