How is battery time defined?

[Walrez]

Hi,
I'm a complete newbie, only smoking disposable cigarettes for a couple of weeks.
As many, I felt that a 510 type of cigarette would be ok for me. So I ordered today a 510-t

I already knew about poor battery life and such, but after ordering, I kept browsing and suddenly I read stories about "completely absurd", or "ridiculous" short times, and now I wonder if I made a mistake.

What I wanted to ask is how battery time is defined?

If people say two hours, do they mean "standby" time?
Non-stop smoking for two hours?
Accumulated time? As in: if one cigarette takes 10 minutes, I can smoke 12 cigarettes and then the battery dies, but I can still smoke them through 10 hours?

I've been smoking less for the last months (getting Nicotinell during work time, I know I shouldn't). Without Nicotinell, I smoke 20+, but I tried with the disposables without Nicotinell and they lasted from 2 to 3 days (!). I only do a few puffs each time, instead of smoking for 10 minutes non-stop, but I do it more frequently, it's like making a cigarette to last one hour.

Can a 510-t be more or less fine for starting, or after a couple of cigarettes it will die?
Not only I ordered a 510-t, but I also paid an extra to receive it tomorrow. Take in account that where I live, the kit costs $75.
I guess I can change my order if I call early for something completely different, like an eGo-c, though I'm kind of confused by its shape, or if I would smoke something like that in a pub.
Is the 510t bad enough to try and I change the order?

Thanks in advance,
Walter

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Where did you order it from? Link?

 

[the_vape_nerd]

Really battery life is going to be variable in terms of how often you vape and so on. There's really no such thing as "standby" time when discussing vaping. This isn't a cell phone thats constantly monitoring for signal. Your battery will more or less only discharge current when you hit the button. That said if you charge one and then go back a month later ot use it, I bet there'd be less of a charge than if you took one right off a charger.

Anyway the simple way that people talk about batteries here on ECF is by mah rating. The general rule is for every 100 mah, thats one hour of vaping. It varies but thats a general rule. So if you have a standard Ego it's 650 mah so about 6.5 hours of vaping.

A 510 I think has maybe 280 mah but this is also going to vary by model. Some mod batteries now have upwards of 3000 mah so you can buy things all in between.

If you are looking for an all day device between charges, I'd recommend about 1000 mah.

 

[yzer]

The rule (as listed above) is one hour per 100mAh of battery capacity but I find that is a conservative estimate.

The 1050mAh battery in my E-Power 14650 lasts me all day long. That is, it lasts me 16 hours. I don't vape while I'm sleeping 8 hours per day. I vape 2-3ml during 16 hours.

Interestingly, I looked at pBusardo's video review of E-Power 14650 a few days ago and he got exactly the same 16 hours out of the 14650 1050mAh battery.

There are quite a few rechargeable 3.7V Li-ion batteries to chose from out there in the 1000mAh range. The rated capacity of these batteries range from 950mAh to 1100mAh. Practically speaking they will all last about the same amount of time. These capacity rating are all within a 10% range of difference. Some will be ICR (protected Li-ion), some will be "safer" chemistry IMR without PCB, and some will be Li-Po. The drain rates and capacity will differ between the different chemistry types.

 

[Walrez]

Hi,
I live in Israel, so where I bought it might not be really relevant for you people... This is the link anyway, but you'll get mostly gibberish:
EGO 510-T

I understand about the 100mah per hour... The model I bought is only 180mAH, though.

What I don't understand is what do you mean when you say "one hour of vaping". Just as an example: If I "smoke" for five minutes every hour, will this battery be enough until I get back home after 9 hours?

I know it sounds silly... I have the feeling that I'll understand only when I try it.

Is this cigarette worth of buying, or just a toy? I'm not a "social" smoker. If I don't get nicotine, I turn really, really cranky.

About the replacement batteries... Is it safe to use things that are not originally bundled?

Thanks.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Is it too late to cancel your order? Far better starter kits here for a fraction of the price. They are also an ECF listed vendor which means they must follow a code of ethics to remain listed here:
E-cigarette Kits : Healthcabin Electronic Cigarettes - Wholesale and Retail

 

[yzer]

What I don't understand is what do you mean when you say "one hour of vaping". Just as an example: If I "smoke" for five minutes every hour, will this battery be enough until I get back home after 9 hours?

I know it sounds silly... I have the feeling that I'll understand only when I try it.

Thanks.

Not a silly question at all. By one hour of vaping, I mean one hour in which I use the APV to replace smoking. Example: I spent 10 minutes every waking hour smoking two cigarettes. While vaping I spend 20 minutes per hour vaping to maintain the same nicotine habit.

So, an hour of vaping time is not chain vaping one hit after another for an hour. A vaping hour in my example would be the same as chain vaping for twenty minutes.

To make vaping as time efficient as smoking you can take two different paths. You can use higher concentration nicotine juice or you can simply cut down on vaping time and undergo some mild nicotine withdrawals. I chose the latter. When I'm too busy to vape twenty minutes per hour I can get by fine with ten minutes. When I have free time I can vape 20 minutes per hour and be as happy as a clam. If I vape more than twenty minutes per hour I get jittery, just like I did when I smoked a heavier than usual amount.

 

[Mroutlaw]

Many of the companies, especially the "mini's" post how long a battery will last. For example, I have seen websites say "last up to 2 hours" or "150 puffs". From what I can figure, they are using a formula of ohms law and it seems they all use a 3second puff for the computations. I may be wrong, but I did the math on every site that I looked at that gave times and the only way I came to the same figure was using the 3 second puff.

Not to get too boring but here is the computation. Volts of battery divided by resistance of coil. Then take the mah of the battery in metric form and divide by the answer from the first equation. Then multiply that by 60 to get how many minutes the battery will fire the coil. Then, if you are basing it on 1, 3 second puff per minute, divide 60 by 3= 20. Now multiply the minutes you got by 20 and that will give you how many puffs. If you divide that by 60(minutes) you get how long the battery will last. Here's as example. We will use a 180mah battery at 3.7v using a 2.8ohm carto. 3.7/2.8= 1.32amp. Now 180mah equals .180 in metric so .180/1.32 = .14. .14*60seconds = 8minutes and 24seconds. That is how long the battery will actually fire the coil. Now we vape in short bursts not a straight 8minutes. So if we vape 3 second puffs, once puff each minute, we will only use the battery 3 seconds per minute. So if you divide 60 by 3 you get 20. Now multiply 20 by the minutes you got( 8). = 160, 3 second puffs. Now since you are only vaping one of those puffs minute, divide by 60 =. You get 2.67 hours of continuous vaping

Here's the problem with that. Most of us take longer than 3 second hits and many of us take more than one hit per minute. Myself, I take 5-6 second hits, so using the same computation, I would only get about 80 puffs and that battery would last me 1.33 hours. Everything comes down to how long do you puff for and how often. My wife can make a 320mah battery last an entire day and I can use it up in 2 hours.

Now this is just an estimate, it's not perfect since it doesn't take into account how old the battery is or how long it's been sitting since being charged, but it's pretty close. To test it, I actually counted puffs once on my 320mah battery with a 2.8ohm coil and it was within 5 puffs.

So, that's how I believe they get their numbers and they use a very low number to make it seem like you get a longer battery life.


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[Kay1959]

A 180 mah battery will last you approximately 1 hour and 80 minutes. That is a VERY low battery! You could do much better and still keep the cig look alike. The Volt has something like 380 mah. I would check into something like that if I were you. Be forewarned that those smaller batteries will not last very long. By that I mean that over time, you will have to recharge them more frequently than when you first get them. Something like the eGo would give you a better battery, if you can handle having something about the size of a sharpe in your hand. Good luck!

 

[Mroutlaw]

A 180 mah battery will last you approximately 1 hour and 80 minutes. That is a VERY low battery! You could do much better and still keep the cig look alike. The Volt has something like 380 mah. I would check into something like that if I were you. Be forewarned that those smaller batteries will not last very long. By that I mean that over time, you will have to recharge them more frequently than when you first get them. Something like the eGo would give you a better battery, if you can handle having something about the size of a sharpe in your hand. Good luck!

I agree Kay, except a 180mah will last just under 2 hours.

If you want a mini, get a smokeless image volt. They are the most recommended mini on here, their 78mm battery lasts about 3-4 hours of continuous vaping.

If you can handle something a little bigger, like the width of a cigar, get a kgo.


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[Walrez]

Thanks for the answers...

I read about the Volt in this forum. The problem is that I don't think that the model is sold here in Israel, hence it will be more difficult or take more time to get the replacements.
Maybe I don't understand and can use other models parts (like joyetechs)?

I think I won't be able to cancel the order, I'm afraid, or that it will be quite messy.

Can I get better batteries for the 510t from joyetech (buying from abroad)?

 

[Mroutlaw]

Thanks for the answers...

I read about the Volt in this forum. The problem is that I don't think that the model is sold here in Israel, hence it will be more difficult or take more time to get the replacements.
Maybe I don't understand and can use other models parts (like joyetechs)?

I think I won't be able to cancel the order, I'm afraid, or that it will be quite messy.

Can I get better batteries for the 510t from joyetech (buying from abroad)?

That same formula applies to any battery.


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[recidivus]

A 180mAh battery won't handle a pack/day smoker long. I started with 180mAh and was swapping batteries upward of 5* a day.

You'll want to bring a spare (charged) battery and a charger with you, at all times. Right when you need it most is when it will be drained. A PCC is also handy for when you don't have access to a socket or USB.

Since it's all 510 threaded I see no reason why you couldn't buy an ego-c/twist/kgo or some such and use that, though the battery tends to be the more expensive replaceable part. A 650 should last through business hours, possibly through the day to charge overnight. A 1000 should push through a full day without needing a recharge.

I also don't know if that charger is compatible, but it LOOKS like my ego-c charger.

 

[Walrez]

Well, I just received it.
It comes with two batteries. Apparently one is 220mah and the other (xl) is 340. The website wasn't updated about this.
Lets see how long this combo lasts.

If it won't be enough, I'll surely end up buying one of the big models for home/work, and use this for pubs/outdoors.

 

[DaveP]

Two things that have already been said are important.

1. The MAH rating of the battery translates to vaping time at the rate of about 100mah per hour.

2. Vaping time is defined the same way you would judge how long a pack of smokes used to last you. If you smoked one every fifteen minutes, the pack would last you 5 hours. If you smoked one an hour, it would last you 20 hours. It depends on how often you vape and how hard you hit it when you do. It also is dependent on the resistance of the atomizer. If you use low resistance atomizers, you will get a little less vaping time from a battery between charges due to higher current draw at lower resistances..

 

[Walrez]

I wanted to thank you for all the useful replies.
I'm testing with both batteries and so far its acceptable (It gets quite hot every time I inhale, though).

 

[Kay1959]

Glad it's working for you! If you end up wanting a KGO though, you can get one here. They ship internationally.

KGO