How Many Smokers in US Using Vaping to Quit Smoking?

[Pete M]

Thanks, Pete. I do think Snopes was pretty accurate and useful once upon a time, but you might want to look at them with a more jaundiced eye these days. They were great for what they did originally - debunk internet/urban legends. I won't even delve into their advertising based funding, or claims against them that they're liberal. And there are plenty of examples of when they've done a good job, and terrible ones. It's just that their due diligence and transparency before rendering their "rating" isn't always that great, or very consistent at all, even though they wield a lot of power.

Fair - should never believe every single thing you read anywhere. That said this is one of the more concise but fully referenced rebuttal to the popcorn lung myth so it's why I like to send this link to people

 

[sdennislee]

Really though, ECF is a social media.

I agree ECF is a form of social media just like any forum is. But forums tend to be read by a semi like minded group and the truth will surface before damage is done. FB, Twitter, etc... no so much. Far too many people believe anything they read on social media to be the absolute truth.

Personally I think it's tolerable for an individual to be misinformed, but find it completely inexcusable when they share their ignorance with the rest of the world, by posting something to social media that is unverified or just complete BS. Way too many people read a post, tweet, etc and simply repost or retweet believing it must be true because it was already posted.

Remember the old adage "never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" that was meant for groups of people actually assembled in one physical location, not true today, today it's gone form hundreds of people standing together to millions on FB trying to save the world because one lone idiot submitted a post based on information he/she read on the stall door in a public restroom.

I wonder if Al Gore now regrets inventing the internet?

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I wonder if Al Gore now regrets inventing the internet?

 

[Eskie]

Remember, semi like minded groups tend to be self reinforcing. So alternatives may be overlooked. Which is why the internet can really shine at offering a wide range of ideas and schools of philosophy. Where else could you find societies like this thriving?
The Flat Earth Society

 

[somdcomputerguy]

But how long has microwave popcorn been around for?

Early 80's, maybe 1981.
Microwave popcorn - Wikipedia

 

[United States]

Too bad smok don't use their resources to campaign on behalf of vaping instead of developing rainbow colored toys that can start my car from indoors.

 

[englishmick]

I don't usually try to do any online arguing- especially with my mother in law. There's plenty of that out there already. And she's just an old lady keeping busy with her "internet machine," trying to help. Though in this case, I took the opportunity to counteract her misguided post with real information.

I know I, and most of us here can pretty much hold our own with knowledge about vape misinformation. So I wasn't really looking for ammunition, as it's at our fingertips.

I guess with all the vaping numbers out there, it just made me wonder if there was a feasible estimate of the number of vapers out there. Probably not - virtually all studies are related to teens, flawed in their premise, and results skewed to an agenda.

Probably not important - but it would be interesting to put a number on the actual number of adults that will suffer health consquenses in the wake of ecig regulation. Something about her post just made me wonder how many?

Now I'm going to do just what you were warning against, post a fact with no backup. I'm sure I read somewhere in the last couple of weeks that there are around 9M vapers in the USA. And 15% of Americans smoke, meaning around 50M.

If there are 9M vapers that could include a bunch of different subgroups. People who are trying it out to see if it might work for them. Kids doing it because it's trendy. Ex-smokers who still take an occasional vape, smokers who vape in places where they can't smoke, Etc. I think you're right though, getting an accurate number would be quite hard.

 

[sdennislee]

Remember, semi like minded groups tend to be self reinforcing. So alternatives may be overlooked. Which is why the internet can really shine at offering a wide range of ideas and schools of philosophy. Where else could you find societies like this thriving?
The Flat Earth Society

So if I have correctly interpreted your inference you believe the earth to be round? You sir are a Heretic. We must inform Christopher Columbus, the Queen of Spain, etal of this immediately. My FB seance group will get on this ASAP

 

[Opinionated]

But how long has microwave popcorn been around for?

Likely since the 60's. But time is neither here nor there where that's concerned.

Popcorn lung developed after a few years in the factory/industrial environment in employees making the stuff.

The amounts they were exposed to never equated to the amounts vapers are exposed to and never will... it can't even be compared.

The billion dollar a year history isnt a great gauge of number of vapers. It can be too skewed by other factors.

I mean, just look at the shinyitis thread here. Subtract that from the figure, and assuming most people start with $30 starter kits, there can't be more than 20 or 30 other vapers worldwide to make up the difference. Nah, sales figures alone won't help us out.

I'm not using sales numbers as a guessing game for how many vapers there are, I was simply suggesting to allow sales numbers stand alone in a discussion of facts, instead of playing guessing games on how many vapers exist. Guessing always devolves a discussion.

Although when the biggest players on the market where concerns sales are still the cigalike and small pod mod type device manufacturers, chances are vapers number in the millions world wide.. I think a rough guesstimate world wide a year or two ago was more than 10 million, and that does nothing but increase each year.

As far as the shinyitis thread, or even this site, they (we) aren't representative of your average vaper; those who aren't on this site are who is typical, and they don't shop for backups or buy the coolest stuff. The average vaper gets what is hassle free and works for them and they stick with that - they don't advocate, and they don't change coils if they can help it.

Think of ECF like the U.S. political elections. In the U.S. only about 60% of people who are eligible to vote actually do, and only about 11% of actual voters volunteer to help out on political campaigns or raise money for their candidates...

Just think of ECF as those few volunteers.. we are hobbyists, not necessarily vapers, when speaking of vaping as an industry or as a whole.

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Early 80's, maybe 1981.
Microwave popcorn - Wikipedia

Likely since the 60's. But time is neither here nor there where that's concerned.

Well, I'd have never guessed 1947!
Our family got our first microwave in 1975, when a lot of families started getting them. I would've thought it'd be mid 70's for the popcorn.

Happy Thanksgiving, all!

 

[stols001]

mvmm

 

[proax9]

to answer the question in the title, speaking for myself:
+1

 

[scott58]

Has anyone actually died from vape related health issues?

 

[Opinionated]

Has anyone actually died from vape related health issues?

No.. there's only been 1 vaping related death - period - and that was over a battery in a mech.. no vaping related health issues that weren't allergy related, and no deaths from those..

 

[Opinionated]

Well, I'd have never guessed 1947!
Our family got our first microwave in 1975, when a lot of families started getting them. I would've thought it'd be mid 70's for the popcorn.

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Happy Thanksgiving, all!

My mother never had a microwave and I never owned one myself until 5 years ago. My husband had to explain how to use it.. lol..they are handy!

But those frozen tv dinners were popular in the 60's I thought, so that's when I thought microwaves were invented.. guess I was wrong!