How much Propylene Glycol is in YOUR house?

[julianka]

I went around my house reading labels:

PG in the mouth:
Equate (Walmart) Vanilla Mint Antiseptic Mouthwash
Equate Night Time Cold Medication (gel caps)

PG on your body and IN THE AIR THAT EVERYONE BREATHES:
Bodycology Coconut Lime Body Mist
Aussie Aussome Volume Hair Spray

PG in your hair?!
Tresemme So Sleek De-frizzing Gel

PG all over your hands!
Germ-X Aloe Hand Sanitizer

Unfortunately a lot of products have the ingredients listed on outer box, which usually gets thrown away. But from now on I'm checking EVERYTHING before I toss the box. We should compile a list to hand to people who have heard the FDA scare reports or have that "they use it in antifreeze" argument, ESPECIALLY products that are oral or get in the air (like perfumes!)

 

[jambo]

does it count if i just ordered one gallon?

 

[Janetda]

It wasn't propylene glycol that the FDA was talking about. They found less than 1% (who knows how much really) of diethylene glycol. I think everyone agrees it should not have been in there and that's what the FDA was referring to. Yes, using the word anti-freeze was a scare tactic, but we should be aware that none of us really knows how good the quality control is at the factories or what we are vaping exactly.

 

[jvapor]

It wasn't propylene glycol that the FDA was talking about. They found less than 1% (who knows how much really) of diethylene glycol. I think everyone agrees it should not have been in there and that's what the FDA was referring to. Yes, using the word anti-freeze was a scare tactic, but we should be aware that none of us really knows how good the quality control is at the factories or what we are vaping exactly.

This just seems like the right opportunity to bring this up. I have herd this said repeatedly but yet to understand how you and others can say that the DG should not have been there when it is used in the processing, mainly the drying process, of tobacco. Of course some will show up from time to time. You will find it in any of the NRT products out there if you test enough of them and are looking for it.

 

[ProfessorDaffy]

Seriously! You forgot about the toothpaste! Mine has glycerin and propylene glycol.

I also found it in the mouthwash/rinse. And propylene glycol is the main liquid in most of the Lorann oils I have for mixing.

Prof Daffy
P.S. Does the 8oz bottle sitting next to my e-cigs count?
P.P.S. Is that propylene glycol in you pocket or are you just glad to see me?

 

[ProfessorDaffy]

It wasn't propylene glycol that the FDA was talking about. They found less than 1% (who knows how much really) of diethylene glycol. I think everyone agrees it should not have been in there and that's what the FDA was referring to. Yes, using the word anti-freeze was a scare tactic, but we should be aware that none of us really knows how good the quality control is at the factories or what we are vaping exactly.

Many e-liquids contain a small amount of plain old glycerin (most of it put there by it's users ) to produce a thicker vaper. It is not uncommon for e-liquids to contain glycerin (also in toothpaste). The most likely reason it was there was because they though they were adding glycerin.

Diethylene glycol is also illegally used as counterfeit glycerin in some nations and sold internationally as a component of cough syrup, toothpaste, and mouthwash. It has in the past been used as an adulterant by winemakers to create a "sweet" wine.

When you purchase any food substance that you put in your body, you take the risk that is it not 100% as advertised. Unless your manufacturing it yourself you never know. And even then you have to be weary of where you get your components. Of what is in the ground it was grown in. Or how clean the preparation area was.

If you want a 100% sure thing go back to cigarettes. If anyone said, hey we found 40 carcinogens and deadly chemicals including carbon monoxide, you'd say... DUH! If you could guarantee 100% that there was only ONE toxic substance in e-cigs it's still better than a cigarette.

When e-liquid is prepared correctly it contains no carcinogens, no tar, no tobacco, and no carbon monoxide. It was proven by the FDA and let's not forget it (remember the other 17 carts that get ignored). If anything it's an issue of quality control; one cart from one manufacturer.


--Prof Daffy
P.S. The best quality control you'll find is probably at a cigarette factory. If there's not enough carcinogens or toxic substances in a batch they probably throw it out and fire someone.

 

[Janetda]

I believe the concern is that this was not a result of the tobacco processing, but rather a contamination of the propylene glycol. There has been a problem with diethylene glycol contamination in pg, particularly that from China. Here's the thing though, is that it's a problem with ALL pg products, not just e-cigs. IMHO, that's what should be made more public, not the FDA's scary semantics. That said, however, this has been a widely publicized problem and the manufacturers of the juice should have known and screened for it.

 

[ritalin]

Here's the thing though, is that it's a problem with ALL pg products, not just e-cigs. IMHO, that's what should be made more public, not the FDA's scary semantics. That said, however, this has been a widely publicized problem and the manufacturers of the juice should have known and screened for it.

My thoughts exactly.

Is the medical grade PG that I have heard mentioned at this forum guaranteed to be free of such low level contaminations?

 

[DaMulta]

55 gallon drum


lol no no I kid I kid or do I lol

 

[Arizona Dad]

How about Schilling imitation rum and brandy extracts? Propylene glycol is listed as the second ingredient. Same thing with a lot of other imitation flavors.

 

[HaploVoss]

Deoderant
Toothpaste
Shampoo
Conditioner
Soda Pop
Hand Sanitizer
Propylene Glycol, USP (from pharmacy for my mixing uses)
Walgreens Multi Antibiotic PLUS
Generic "Chapstick" ointment stoof
Orajel (Polyethelene Glycol???)
Mouthwash
Bodywash
Lots of my wife's Burt's Bees stoofs
LOTS of stoofs in the kitchen....

Wow, I'm actually impressed at just how many things. I'd say PG is pretty tame eh?
lol

Take care,
- Hap

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I believe the concern is that this was not a result of the tobacco processing, but rather a contamination of the propylene glycol. There has been a problem with diethylene glycol contamination in pg, particularly that from China. Here's the thing though, is that it's a problem with ALL pg products, not just e-cigs. IMHO, that's what should be made more public, not the FDA's scary semantics. That said, however, this has been a widely publicized problem and the manufacturers of the juice should have known and screened for it.

Well said Janet---contamination--especally out of China has been a nightmare in years gone by. Hope they have their act cleaned up after that mess down in Panama.

Sun

 

[Kurt]

I think we should encourage and only do business with juice companies that provide GC-MS data, like TW. Order by phone and ask if they do GC-MS, and if they don't just hang up. Its not an expensive thing, and simply reporting the spectrum of the current lot being available for shipping is pretty easy. If we insist on this, companies will step up to get business. $8 for 50 mL of 36 mg juice is suspect at best, but I've seen it.

kurt

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I think we should encourage and only do business with juice companies that provide GC-MS data, like TW. Order by phone and ask if they do GC-MS, and if they don't just hang up. Its not an expensive thing, and simply reporting the spectrum of the current lot being available for shipping is pretty easy. If we insist on this, companies will step up to get business. $8 for 50 mL of 36 mg juice is suspect at best, but I've seen it.

kurt

Very good idea Kurt as not providing the data simply lacks merit and we should not be supporting them.


Sun