How Rath (JOHN) of the Rath Juice Beat me for my Money

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basilray

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Bummer, Smokie! At this point, it sounds like all that's left to do is FUHGEDDABOUTIM!

I love your reviews, so I'm taking this one to heart. If it weren't for you, I probably wouldn't have gone out and discovered my personal favorite, Boba's Bounty.

At this point, it sounds like all that's left to do is FUHGEDDABOUTIM!
 

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Bummer, Smokie! At this point, it sounds like all that's left to do is FUHGEDDABOUTIM!

I love your reviews, so I'm taking this one to heart. If it weren't for you, I probably wouldn't have gone out and discovered my personal favorite, Boba's Bounty.

At this point, it sounds like all that's left to do is FUHGEDDABOUTIM!

Thanks, but it is really no big deal about a few bucks lost, it is just principal, and which bothers me more is that I know the Guy, we are not strangers.
 

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Thanks, but it is really no big deal about a few bucks lost, it is just principal, and which bothers me more is that I know the Guy, we are not strangers.

The principal of the matter is what matters to me. I've been in customer service since I was 15, and I'm now responsible for training call center agents. This kind of stuff can't stand if you want to run a successful business, especially in what is still very much a niche market. So, I'll stay away from the Rath juices...there are enough suppliers who make top notch stuff and deliver best in class service!
 

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When your dealing with a product such as this(i.e. a formulation intended for direct human pulmonary inhalation) there should NEVER be inconsistencies.

#1. The product formulation as well as the process and procedure to generate it should be standardized(i.e. there should be one and only one recipe that is followed and there should be an SOP-standard operating procedure- followed on each batch to ensure lot to lot consistency - this SOP & recipe should NOT change). The initial product prototype should also be tested over and over before a final recipe determination is made. All mathmatical calculations required should be checked, double-checked and triple-checked before one drop of ingredient is poured.

#2. Consistency in ingredients and apparatus MUST be adhered too before each lot is started. In FDA cGMP, new materials are required to be quarantined by the manufacturer until said manufacturer can be certain that they match precisely what the recipe/SOP has previously called for each and every lot. Apparatus used must be accurate and graduated to the correct level of precision required for the intended measurement/process intended. Apparatus must also be prepared/cleaned to the proper level proscribed in the SOP(sterilized if necessary and in this case, considering human pulmonary inhalation, it's necessary). Paperwork documenting each lot's creation process and adherence to SOP should be retained for at least several years.

#3. Each lot, after completion, must be randomly sampled and tested to ensure consistency and potency(Hopefully utilizing some type of accepted analytical testing method, HPLC, GC/MS, etc...). Lot #'s & proper, predetermined expiration dates must be assigned and representative samples of each lot must be retained by manufacturer in case a recall scenario becomes a reality. If, for whatever reason, a lot inconsistency crops up after said lot has been released into the market, a recall must be performed to reduce further possible harm and to determine the cause of the inconsistency.

This is a minimum outline of what each eliquid manufacturer should be following and, as I've stated in the past, the eliquid industry as a whole should start self introducing these standards and self-regulating to ensure they are followed. If not, in the future, some willing government bureaucracy will be more then happy to oversee whatever standards they see fit to enact.
 

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This video is about how I was beat by Rath, and does NOT have to do with anyone else, or any Supplier who sells Rath Juice, Just Rath (John) himself as a vendor.

Seems like your not the only one Smokie who has had problems with Rath Juice. I see a few suppliers are dropping Rath Juice from their juice line. One supplier cited "Unsavory Business Practices," whatever that means. What happened??? I remember when Rath juice 1st came out & everyone was going gaga over it's release. I bought some waffle but was very unimpressed-tasted like waxy butter with an unpleasant cinnamon undertone.
 

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Seems like your not the only one Smokie who has had problems with Rath Juice. I see a few suppliers are dropping Rath Juice from their juice line. One supplier cited "Unsavory Business Practices," whatever that means. What happened??? I remember when Rath juice 1st came out & everyone was going gaga over it's release. I bought some waffle but was very unimpressed-tasted like waxy butter with an unpleasant cinnamon undertone.

Just heard last night, which may, or may not be true that he has a gambling problem with AC, not a health problem.
 

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I was just going to post this, saw it on youtube but the forum server must have temporarily gone down. WOW, that IS amazing!!!!! As per my earlier post in this thread- the industry better start self regulating or incidents like these will become more common & someone will eventually be seriously hurt. I'm glad I only ever purchased 1 bottle of RATH and it was barely used. Can you imagine the corners this guy was cutting to make this juice that was being inhaled into hundreds/thousands of vaper's lungs!!!!!!!!!! And then, of course, the most likely untrained, illegal immigrant Rath had working(like an indentured servant) mixing the juice. I'm sure we weren't looking at anything close to cGMP-like quality control/quality assurance going on here. This Rath guy really deserves to go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

This is REALLY a slap in the face to vaping in general and surely makes the whole industry look like a black-market venture in the eyes of the general public. I really hope this story does not get out very far into the general media.

P.S. to the moderators, I know the language in this youtube video is vulgar, but for the sake of the vaping community, please do not remove it from view. Every vaper(whether they purchased Rath juice in the past or not) deserves to see this. If you must remove it, at least leave the link so people can go off-site to see it. Thank you for your consideration!!!!
 
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I was just going to post this, saw it on youtube but the forum server must have temporarily gone down. WOW, that IS amazing!!!!! As per my earlier post in this thread- the industry better start self regulating or incidents like these will become more common & someone will eventually be seriously hurt. I'm glad I only ever purchased 1 bottle of RATH and it was barely used. Can you imagine the corners this guy was cutting to make this juice that was being inhaled into hundreds/thousands of vaper's lungs!!!!!!!!!! And then, of course, the most likely untrained, illegal immigrant Rath had working(like an indentured servant) mixing the juice. I'm sure we weren't looking at anything close to cGMP-like quality control/quality assurance going on here.

This is REALLY a slap in the face to vaping in general and surely makes the whole industry look like a black-market venture in the eyes of the general public. I really hope this story does not get out very far into the general media.

P.S. to the moderators, I know the language in this youtube video is vulgar, but for the sake of the vaping community, please do not remove it from view. Every vaper(whether they purchased Rath juice in the past or not) deserves to see this. If you must remove it, at least leave the link so people can go off-site to see it. Thank you for your consideration!!!!

I feel bad for his wife, she has to be mortified. It is one thing taking peoples money, but to say you have Cancer when you do not, that is LOW, the bottom of the Barrel.
 

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I feel bad for his wife, she has to be mortified. It is one thing taking peoples money, but to say you have Cancer when you do not, that is LOW, the bottom of the Barrel.

Yeah, you said it. This story is just horribly disturbing from so many angles. Stealing money, gambling it away, using your immigrant wife as an indentured servant, selling(when you actually did ship) a product intended for inhaling into human lungs that you know is of questionable quality; finally using the compassion of others while faking a fatal illness to cover all the previous deviousness.
 

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