How to decrease Throat Hit?

[cassandraschild]

When smoking cigarettes, I never understood the concept when others spoke of Throat Hit. In vaping, its killing me. It seems that while vaping, my tonsils and throat get very aggravated. I need to find a way to decrease the throat hit that is coming along with vaping as much as possible. Can you all explain all the factors that increase and decrease throat hit?

From what I have been told these are contributing factors:
High PG
High Nic
Low Ohm coils
High Voltage/Wattage
Using a Kayfun type atomizer or a dripper atomizer.

Any suggestions?

 

[M3CH M0D M4DN355]

The high nic would be the biggest factor from your list IMO.

What nic is your juice? What resistance is your coil? What mod and atty are you using and the wattage if on regulated mod?

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Yep - nic will be the biggest factor. The lower the concentration, the lesser the TH.

You might have a sensitivity to PG, but that usually shows up as a persistent irritation of the throat/lungs and coughing.

 

[cassandraschild]

That would be a very very long list, as I've done a lot of experimentation. I have a provari, and have used anywhere between 2.9-5.5v. I have used a Kayfun light plus, Igo-L, RSST, Kracken, Evod, etc. Coils anywhere from 1.5-2.5 ohms. Nic has been anywhere between 6-24. Mixed PG/VG and 100% VG. Home made and store bought from multiple companies.

The odd thing is this: When I used my old ego and ego-C atomizers a long time ago, this problem did not happen. And yes, I drink enough water to kill 10 horses.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Okay, so your coil resistances are in a range that isn't likely to knock you on your backside using a provari, and you've been vaping as low as 6 mg with voltages as low as 2.9.

Are you experiencing uncomfortable TH with the lower nic on lower power?

 

[supertrunker]

Coil position on a dripper is important as well as making sure it has no hotspots, hot legs etc when you make it.

If you want hardly any TH you will position it below the airhole and use low nic, high VG liquid. If you make your own juice you may need to add more flavour, since such a coil and VG mutes it.

My wife hates TH and for her i make coils at about 1.5Ω, which is far higher than anything i use, but she also runs 18mg nic compared to my 6mg. I'm not a user of Kayfuns although i do have a Fogger and a few genesis tanks. Make sure your wicks and coils are clean, because anything that is not wicking properly will dry hit.

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[M3CH M0D M4DN355]

That does seem a little odd that it happens with 6mg juice, particularly as you are not sub ohming or pushing crazy power through your coils.

 

[cassandraschild]

It gets uncomfortable less fast with lower power and lower nic, but I'm talking hours, not days. I build microcoils because I find them to be easier to build. I recently learned I was doing my wicking incorrectly, and wasn't putting enough in, and was burning it for months. Ive since fixed that problem, but my wicks and coils seem to gunk up in days, no matter the wicking material used.

 

[turbocad6]

I hate throat hit but always vape at 12mg nic. I find that the build itself is a big contributing factor... I find that a coil right in front of the air inlet will reduce throat hit, same reason a kayfun style also gives a smooth vape with less TH... get that coil a little further from the airhole and throat hit will go way up. also with a side air intake, raising the coil allowing more air underneath = more TH, lower the coil can smooth it out and reduce TH... the way the build is set up can be a big contributing factor

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Okay, so taking coil placement and wicking issues out of the equation, do you find you have a problem with 6 mg juice in an evod on the provari?

 

[cassandraschild]

Papa - Yes. It begins gradually but yes. I tested it yesterday. My throat felt torn up by the end of the day.

 

[DavidOck]

It gets uncomfortable less fast with lower power and lower nic, but I'm talking hours, not days. I build microcoils because I find them to be easier to build. I recently learned I was doing my wicking incorrectly, and wasn't putting enough in, and was burning it for months. Ive since fixed that problem, but my wicks and coils seem to gunk up in days, no matter the wicking material used.

Do you have the problem with all wicking materials? And what are you using? Cotton, silica, rayon... ?

Gunking in days can be from a lot of things, but I tend to rewick every couple of tanks on a KF, and for me it's just part of routine maintenance. Clean, remove wick, dry burn, re-wick...

 

[cassandraschild]

So far I have tested Cotton (organic), Cotton (non organic), Cellucotton Rayon (just confirmed), Steel Mesh and Steel Rope, Ready-X-Wick, sillica (which makes my throat feel like someones sticking needles in it even when saturated). I've tested them all in a dripper just to make sure they were staying visually saturated.

 

[DavidOck]

That pretty much rules the wick out!

Maybe just vaping too much?

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Papa - Yes. It begins gradually but yes. I tested it yesterday. My throat felt torn up by the end of the day.

Well, if you are getting TH issues with 6 mg in an evod on a provari, then you've got a sensitivity that is more extreme than most. Since it builds gradually, it might be the PG. Nic TH gets you on the first inhale (thus, the term throat hit).

Have you tried juice mixes with less PG (more VG)?

 

[beckdg]

That pretty much rules the wick out!

Maybe just vaping too much?

I think that might be what papa is getting at.

Although everyone is different I happen to get less irritation with super high nic than with anything lower. Not having to vape constantly gives my throat and sinuses a break they desperately need.

Reading what I'm reading I'd be inclined to suggest trying something like velvet cloud (night shift is good) in high nic on an rda for a while. Play with the build and power level. Adjust coil placement, air flow, etc. Until you get the least irritation and refine from there.

Velvet cloud vapors juices have been tremendously smooth IME. There are others but that's the first that come to mind for me.

Another option is vaping unflavored. Maybe get some vaperstek nic in pg base and some vg at your local wally world. Vaperstek nic is also very smooth for nic base. This would eliminate any problems you have with flavors. If it works out you could start adding flavors one at a time and rule out those that irritate you. In my house lemon flavors seem to be huge irritants. We love them but avoid them. There's so much else to choose from.

 

[Heavyrocker]

I vape 100% vg based juice on a KFL with 12mg nic and i fine the TH perfect.I get less TH on the Kraken tank,i think the size of the chamber has a lot to do with it too.

 

[cassandraschild]

Ive been vaping with 100% VG for a couple of months now, same issue. I may have to try to mix up some unflavored, and see if that helps. Ive gotten my Nic from Nude Nicotine in 100% VG.

 

[dirtybirdy]

You pretty much nailed it.

When I use to smoke cigs I smoked lights because regulars were to harsh or to much of a throat hit and ultra lights felt like air.

To get a nice light throat hit. Try to get a juice in higher VG. Something like 70/30.

I would also suggest drop your nic down to 6mg. If you can do that it will help a ton. Then from there you can go down to 3mg.

Also the volts and watts have some effect on the throat hit. Try to stay under 3.8 volts and under 12 watts.

Hope this helps.

 

[Zanaspus]

Also, the particular juice you're using is a key factor. I get wildly different th from not only different brands, but from different juices within a brand line. Does this happen with every juice, and if so, have you branched out?