how to easily tell if a vendor makes good ejuice (general rule)

[vaperature]

Ahlusion always lists VG first. Most of the vendors I've purchased from list VG first. So my apologies that this one didn't.

I guess though, that the rest of my post was meaningless?

I haven't tried Ahlusion yet. I think that may be my next juice purchase since I'm always hearing about it. I've actually never seen VG listed first from any of the vendors I've used, and I've used quite a bit of them.

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I did go to Alhusion right now and saw that you're correct that they do it in reverse order. That's confusing. I would probably have made a messed up order with them if you hadn't pointed that out. This is one of the areas where there should be some standard ways of doing things among vendors.

 

[shatner]

so, i think i have figured out how to easily tell if an ejuice vendor makes good juice.
*please keep in mind this is a general rule. i understand that rules always have some exceptions*

so i have recently come to the end of my ejuice quest. i have tried almost 100 different vendors now, and have found an interesting trend in the juice i have tried.

after sampling all these juices, i have found that 9 of the 10 vendors i like offer no pg/vg adjustments, and 1 of the 10 only offers 3 different levels. only 70/30 50/50 and 30/70.

so i have come to the conclusion that most good ejuice makers stick to a recipe, and don't let you mess up their masterpiece.
see, changing the pg/vg of a juice will change the taste of it. so if a vendor has a rock solid recipe, then they do not let you adjust the pg/vg.
for example:
if you go into a 5 star steak restaurant and say "can i have some ketchup for the steak?" the waiter will laugh and say NO.

so, imho.....
stay away from vendors that allow you to adjust the pg/vg ratio. well, at least ones that allow you to completely adjust it...like 10 different lvls. i think it shows that the creator of the juice, doesn't really care about the end taste. if they just let you put it to any pg/vg lvl, and change the taste...... then that implies that they do not care about their own recipe.

simply put - good chefs don't let you change thier recipe.....neither do good ejuice makers. (in general, remember)

 

[firephly]

I've found that the best indicator, for me, is if the brand has a nice looking clean uncluttered site and photos that aren't stock pics for the flavors. Also if they have a zillion flavors they probably aren't very good.
It does seem like some of the best don't allow many PG/VG options but I like when they do. Sometimes they offer options but also let you know which option is the recommended one. If they offer a certain option then they should also let you know that if you order 100%VG for example, you might experience much less flavor in that particular brand (I'm looking at you Ahlusion-I caution against ordering maxVG there, however the 50/50 has flavor).

 

[dan1boy]

No need to be condescending bro. Geez. We're just stating opinions here.

 

[rabernet]

I haven't tried Ahlusion yet. I think that may be my next juice purchase since I'm always hearing about it. I've actually never seen VG listed first from any of the vendors I've used, and I've used quite a bit of them.

Here's the Vapor Room

15ml Weekender

I did go to Alhusion right now and saw that you're correct that they do it in reverse order. That's confusing. I would probably have made a messed up order with them if you hadn't pointed that out. This is one of the areas where there should be some standard ways of doing things among vendors.

If you do order from them - please also note, that sometimes, their choices default to 90 VG - so if that's not your thing....

I made the mistake of not paying attention and it took much longer to steep.

To set expectations - many of Ahlusion juices do require long steeps (particularly the tobaccos), so I'd recommend getting them, and putting them away for a few weeks. Un-cap them to smell them, then set them aside.

If you don't like them, try again in two weeks. My first order from them, my reaction was "meh - nothing special". Now - I know what magic happens with Ahlusion juices well steeped. I compare all juices to Ahlusion - usually with the thought "Ahlusion could do this so much better!" LOL

 

[rabernet]

No need to be condescending bro. Geez. We're just stating opinions here.

Who are you directing your comment to?

 

[dan1boy]

Who are you directing your comment to?

Mr. Shatner.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Also if they have a zillion flavors they probably aren't very good.

i agree with this too. in fact, i think i may even add this into the first post.

this is another good sign that the quality of the juice and/or recipe is not that great. (just a sign thou...in general, remember)
if a vendor has tons of flavors, then they probably didn't spend very much time perfecting each flavor....how could they?

 

[vaperature]

If you do order from them - please also note, that sometimes, their choices default to 90 VG - so if that's not your thing....

I made the mistake of not paying attention and it took much longer to steep.

To set expectations - many of Ahlusion juices do require long steeps (particularly the tobaccos), so I'd recommend getting them, and putting them away for a few weeks. Un-cap them to smell them, then set them aside.

If you don't like them, try again in two weeks. My first order from them, my reaction was "meh - nothing special". Now - I know what magic happens with Ahlusion juices well steeped. I compare all juices to Ahlusion - usually with the thought "Ahlusion could do this so much better!" LOL

Thanks man, I'll keep all of that in mind.

 

[Lexx]

Totally called it!

 

[AnnieP65]

Well 4 on your list I have tried and I am not a fan of. They must do something to your taste buds that they surely didn't do to mine lol

Me too lol.

 

[AnnieP65]

Halo, the Steam co (reserve line), Nicoticket, Nitelite, Mad Murdock, Goodlife, Indigo, and Five Pawns.
the one vendor that i do like that offers 3 lvl of pg/vg is the Vapor Chef.

.......

 

[rabernet]

Thanks man, I'll keep all of that in mind.

Woman.... Thus the Herper Chick in my signature. ;-)

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[rabernet]

i agree with this too. in fact, i think i may even add this into the first post.

this is another good sign that the quality of the juice and/or recipe is not that great. (just a sign thou...in general, remember)
if a vendor has tons of flavors, then they probably didn't spend very much time perfecting each flavor....how could they?

Ahlusion is also your proverbial exception there too. ;-)

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[patkin]

My fav juice (vendor because they invented the recipes) comes 50/50... that's it... no exceptions... well, except for a buck they'll do 100% VG for those can't tolerate PG but they tell you up front that its not going to taste the same. I've ordered around 200 ounces in total, ordering from 30 mls to 4 ounces sizes, of the same juice and it always tastes the same. I have not had that kind of consistency elsewhere.

 

[lasttango]

I like your "line of thinking."

Rather than... good... I look for unique and quality...

I have my own little "way" of determining this... sometimes I fail to recognize someone good or over estimate someone that's not so good...

I look at various factors... the flavors they offer... the selection... I can usually tell what kinds of flavorings they use by examining this and looking at reviews...

sometimes I try to engage the vendor... passionate and enthusiastic vendors tend to get my business -

I also get put off by vendors that offer too many choices... I tend to feel most are just mixing juice instead of crafting it...

also, vendors that use unique flavorings or use higher quality nic etc usually brag about it... or they tell you when you ask.

they'll give specific information about their ingredients rather than just claiming high quality etc

 

[Angiebubs]

I am at over 50+ vendors as of now, and only a small handful that I like. I agree with Firephly, that the quality of the website has a big impact....(quality/care going into selling shows hopefully the same quality/care of product) but have seen exceptions to this as well (Zen Mind Vapor).

However for me, the VG/PG ratio hasn't held true. I saw someone else suggest that the weird after taste I get from so many vendor is related to the type of artificial sweeteners they use...I quickly scrambled back through websites and discovered that the vendors I adore do not use artificial sweeteners!!! So waiting to see if this pans out going forward.

The other thing that is so intriguing to me is-How each person can get such different flavors from the same e liquids! For so long reading people reviews on here I would wonder if we had different e liquids, mistakenly listed the wrong flavor/vendor, etc..till I sat down my brother and significant other sampling juices OMG completely different opinions!!!! One of us would describe a tobacco as honey no tobacco, another fruity, and another just like an analog.....or "tootsie roll" "floral" for what to me was a true fruity vape LOL...it all so subjective!!!

 

[Drozd]

As far as what gets listed first PG or VG...
As with most labeling standards...the ingredient that there's the most of gets listed first...

I've yet to see a bottle showing as 20%/80% regardless of which was the 20 and which was the 80.....

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Knowing that taste is subjective and influenced in many ways, I use the same Mod and atomizer to get an initial, then I test, etc. In the end I have a spreadsheet that covers flavors. I am currently just doing fruits and with that in mind, I found 5 different plain apples and I will order each for comparison.

I know it might sound silly, but finding a good blueberry or cherry vape is what my hobby is all about. I imagine I will be doing this for years, so why not.

I WILL find my happiness!

 

[VapinBill]

Well any juice you buy, whether you can adapt the pg/vg or not, is only 10-20% flavorings, or the recipe. The rest is filler liquid (pg/vg) and only minimally affects the flavor.

The vendors that don't allow adaptations do so because they are selling their liquids out of one huge batch. I don't necessarily think that makes them better, but I'm glad you are finding good luck using your methodology.

I totally agree. HHV offers flexibility of mixing and their juices are great for me and they are not expensive.