How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

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jpargana

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A business has to make a certain amount of profit, otherwise those who own the business will decide they are better off doing something else. When a business makes, say, 15% profit and the government comes along and slaps them with a 20% tax, do you really expect them to keep selling at the same price and take a 5% loss on every sale? Sorry, but your view is unrealistic.

You example is an extreme one - the new tax, imposed on vendors alone, is higher than their profit margin. In that case, of course I would not expect them to lose money on every sale.

On the other hand, if that tax is not very high, and the vendor is afraid of raising their prices - maybe demand is low - then yes, I expect them to pay *their* taxes from *their* pocket, just like I pay mY taxes from my wallet.

I'll give you a good example: VAT increased in Portugal sometime ago. Now, VAT is a tax supposed to be paid by costumers. No-one would really expect vendors NOT to raise their prices: they would need to collect some more money from us, to later return it to BigG.

Well, guess what? Because it was a small raise, and economy was already low, some shops did NOT increase their prices. "The VAT increase did not enter our shop", they annouced. Well, of course it did. They simply did not collect that raise from custumers - but BigG will, of course, demand that raise from them. BigG does not care if that raise is being enforced by vendors or not. They just demand to see the money.

So, in order to not raise prices, some vendors were even willing to pay for *some* of their *costumers* taxes.

On the same circunstances, if it was little raise on a tax meant to be paid by vendors, I would expect them to NOT raise their prices.


All in all, it depends on how the economy is going: if vendors feel they would lose business by unfairly raising their prices, and if they feel they have a comfortable profit margin already, they will not. Even if it is a tax NOT meant to be paid by them. :)
 

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You example is an extreme one - the new tax, imposed on vendors alone, is higher than their profit margin. In that case, of course I would not expect them to lose money on every sale.

I don't think extreme at all. Maybe in general, but not once you get specific to the industry.

Some proposed percentages I've seen are 30%, 40%, 60% and 95%.

Some to be paid at every step along the distribution line. Others to be paid directly by the consumer.

That's a larger profit margin than most industries run at.

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Exactly. If we were talking a few cents per ml of finished liquid, I could see vendors eating that. But 40%-95%, which are some of the numbers being proposed in various US states? Not gonna happen.

The bottom line with those taxes like that, when they are implemented by individual states, is that neither the vendors nor the consumers will pay them. Consumers will order from states that have not yet imposed outrageous taxes, while vendors in states with such taxes will end up going out of business.
 

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The bottom line with those taxes like that, when they are implemented by individual states, is that neither the vendors nor the consumers will pay them. Consumers will order from states that have not yet imposed outrageous taxes, while vendors in states with such taxes will end up going out of business.

If the taxes goes the way of existing cigarette taxes (i.e having a tax stamp on the product), buying online from out of state would not be an option. You would have to drive across the border to the non-taxing state and purchase it from a B&M.
 

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If the taxes goes the way of existing cigarette taxes (i.e having a tax stamp on the product), buying online from out of state would not be an option. You would have to drive across the border to the non-taxing state and purchase it from a B&M.

If e-liquid sales are Restricted to Face-2-Face Transactions Only at the Federal Level, the concept of Internet buying becomes a Moot Point.
 

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If the taxes goes the way of existing cigarette taxes (i.e having a tax stamp on the product), buying online from out of state would not be an option. You would have to drive across the border to the non-taxing state and purchase it from a B&M.
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If e-Liquid sales are Restricted to Face-2-Face Transactions Only at the Federal Level, the concept of Internet buying becomes a Moot Point.


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