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[restever99]

I am 2 days new to this esmoking trend. Hated cigarettes but loved the smoking process, if that makes any sense. I picked up a 901b Silver Bullet from ecigsales.com. Think it's a nifty little device.

My main concern is that there is no way this is healthier than cigarettes. I am finding very very little information on what is actually in the "juice," the metal the atomizer is made out of, the fluffy material in the cartridge, the plastic in the cartridge, the materials in the batteries and so on. Yes the heating of materials can make them safer, such as food, but it can also make things very unsafe. Tobacco for instance is normally safe until you heat it and inhale it. Not to mention the insane levels of nicotine we are now able to get addicted too. The mean lethal dose has been estimated to be 30 to 60 mg (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) (Gosselin, 1988). For children the lethal dose is considered to be about 10 mg of nicotine (Arena, 1974). That's around a bottle of super high e-liquid for adults and a medium strength bottle for kids!

I don't really know what I am trying to get at here. I am just a new voice letting his concerns known. I think this has potential to be a safer alternative to cigarettes but at this time it lacks the standardization and regulation to do so. Meanwhile I will do my part as an inventor and a chemist to see what I can do to make this better and safer for all of us.

 

[Smokin]

Restever99 'our saviour'! only joking (sort of) We really need folk like you to not only question but to assess what we are dealing with here?

We are addicts; we need our fix and this seems like a worthy opponent for tobacco for many; however, we are not stupid, nor gullible; many of us believe that this is a heathier alternative to tobacco and it is people like you that will help us prove or dispel this belief.

Do you have contacts that can help test the product?

 

[TropicalBob]

Go THOROUGHLY read the Health section. No section is more important. Your concerns have all been addressed -- by doctors and others. And, yes, there are many unknown -- unlike the known cancers caused by inhaling tobacco smoke. Welcome to our world.

 

[restever99]

You know it! Planning to send some bottles of juice off next week to them. Meanwhile I plan to do some testing on the atomizer. Anything that can burn out usually means there is some oxidation going on, the product of which probably shouldn't be inhaled.

 

[Singalo]

Restever you are the one I'm resting my hope on!! Thanks!!

 

[restever99]

Does anyone out there have access to the schematics for an ecigarette?

 

[Smokin]

Hopefully one of our suppliers will be able to help you; or the good Doctor.

 

[Kate]

... My main concern is that there is no way this is healthier than cigarettes. I am finding very very little information on what is actually in the "juice," the metal the atomizer is made out of, the fluffy material in the cartridge, the plastic in the cartridge, the materials in the batteries and so on. Yes the heating of materials can make them safer, such as food, but it can also make things very unsafe. Tobacco for instance is normally safe until you heat it and inhale it. Not to mention the insane levels of nicotine we are now able to get addicted too. The mean lethal dose has been estimated to be 30 to 60 mg (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) (Gosselin, 1988). For children the lethal dose is considered to be about 10 mg of nicotine (Arena, 1974). That's around a bottle of super high E-Liquid for adults and a medium strength bottle for kids!

I don't really know what I am trying to get at here. I am just a new voice letting his concerns known. I think this has potential to be a safer alternative to cigarettes but at this time it lacks the standardization and regulation to do so. Meanwhile I will do my part as an inventor and a chemist to see what I can do to make this better and safer for all of us.

Welcome to the forum Restever.

You are absolutely right, we don't know that vaping is safer and healthier, there is no evidence, just short term anecdotes.

This thread is as much as we know about the formula of eliquid - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion/2202-ingredients-cartridges-e-liquid.html


This one is a discussion about degradation of atomisers - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...anufacturers-suppliers-whats-my-atomizer.html

The amount of eliquid required for a lethal dose is less than you think. It's measured in mg of nic per ml. It would take less than 2ml of 36mg eliquid to kill an adult and less than a third of a ml to kill a child or pet

This is the final paper on the only proper research on vaping - http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf

 

[restever99]

The amount of eliquid required for a lethal dose is less than you think. It's measured in mg of nic per ml. It would take less than 2ml of 36mg eliquid to kill an adult and less than a third of a ml to kill a child or pet

Wowzers! I had no idea it was measured by mL! I remember experimenting with nicotine in one of my upper division chem class and it was no joke what that stuff could do to you if even the smallest amount got on you. I am afraid to touch this stuff now, good thing I keep nitrile gloves around.

 

[Kate]

Yeah, it's a bit scary isn't it.

To be accurate I should say it's actually sold in mg nic per gram of liquid, we've worked out that a gram is close to 1ml.

The only exception we know of is Johnson Creek who measure mg per 1.2ml for some reason

 

[restever99]

Well I'm going to send some of this stuff to my brother next week and he'll throw it into the mass spectrometer to see what is really swimming around in it.

 

[RainbowznStarz]

Well this thread made me anxious and a little bit scared. Scared of what *I* may be putting into my body but also scared that IF it's bad...will I stop vaping? Probably not. Will I eventually stop? perhaps but I know i'll be back to cigs.

Christ, it's a never ending merry-go-round!

 

[restever99]

Well despite my concern over the currently unknown I feel I have already made a huge improvement to the ecigarette and I want to share it with everyone. I rigged it so that the cartridge is inline with the atomizer. So the path of air goes from cartridge to the atomizer to lung. I noticed a huge improvement in consistent vapor production. I am going to neaten it up a bit, run a couple more tests, and then post how I did it. Anyone know if this has been done previous?

 

[applefr3ak]

Not sure what you mean by "line up" but i align my carts with the atomizer bridge, keep us posted

Jason

 

[restever99]

Basically instead of the cartridge being part of the mouth piece I moved it behind the battery infront of the atomizer. So that when you draw on the ecig the air moves through the cartridge then into the atomizer as opposed to into the atomizer and around the cartridge.

I think all ecigs are BATTERY/ATOMIZER/CARTRIDGE/MOUTHPIECE
and I rigged mine BATTERY/CARTRIDGE/ATOMIZER/MOUTHPIECE

Juice is sucked from the cartridge directly into the atomizer creating a nice amount of vapor. Probably not good for the atomizer but I am currently tinkering with some nichrome wire and a small carbon rod to see if I can construct something a little more hardy.

 

[applefr3ak]

Will be interesting on what frankenmod ya come up with

Jay

 

[Nadia Maximus]

Does anyone out there have access to the schematics for an ecigarette?

Im still trying to figure out how you battery/cartridge/atom/mouthpiece

 

[TropicalBob]

It's not "juice". Repeat three times and wash your mouth out with soap.

 

[restever99]

Forgive me, I am still new to this whole thing.

 

[TropicalBob]

I know. I'm not chastising you, just poking fun. As we try to find socially acceptable terms for what we do, the last words we want to use are any with drug connotations. Juice is awful. Our liquid has nothing in common with any juice. So the sooner that misnomer disappears, the better. Cheers.