nic is a poison please don't kill a kid

[chewie]

If I never heard of one child ever dying of drinking nicotine, therefore it must not have ever happened. There is some real logic we can all live by.

Nobody in my family ever died from smoking, therefore smoking must not kill. I have not personally seen or been affected by it, so it can't be true.

If I chose to limit my thinking based on my personal experience, then I wouldn't be vaping now in the first place.

 

[DC2]

I just want to known if anybody else thinks that this product Philip Morris is planning to sell could possibly pose a threat to the vaping experience we have come to know and love? The way we vape will be competition to their product, and a rival the size of Philip Morris may not have too difficult a time getting rid of anybody or anything that stands in it's way, especially after losing the war on smoking tobacco, they will back up this new product with renewed fervor. Anybody else given much thought to his new product Philip Morris has been testing? Or the patents in the link above?

The pharmaceutical industry, which is way bigger than Phillip Morris, is already trying to crush electronic cigarettes, and has been for some time.

 

[DC2]

If I never heard of one child ever dying of drinking nicotine, therefore it must not have ever happened. There is some real logic we can all live by.

Nobody in my family ever died from smoking, therefore smoking must not kill. I have not personally seen or been affected by it, so it can't be true.

If I chose to limit my thinking based on my personal experience, then I wouldn't be vaping now in the first place.

Read this post from another thread awhile back...

These people have been brainwashed by all the propaganda about "fatal doses" of nicotine. They take the dose of nicotine thought to be fatal, compare it to the total amount of nicotine in a container, and conclude that the contents of the container would kill a child if ingested. What really happens is that the nicotine triggers vomiting, which eliminates the vast majority of nicotine from the system. Nicotine that isn't in the system cannot kill the child.

During the past 27 years, the only child death related to tobacco involved a child that had both cigarettes and Valium in his system. Perhaps the Valium suppressed the body's natural defense mechanism against nicotine poisoning. Or perhaps the Valium itself killed the child.

The majority of cases require no medical treatment whatsoever. For example in 2009, out of 8,774 tobacco exposures, 1602 cases were treated in a medical facility, and only 4 cases were considered "Major". Of 1,307 pharmaceutical nicotine exposures, 315 were treated in a medical facility, and 2 cases were considered Major. There were no Deaths in either category.

 

[kfig]

WOW. To everyone who is comparing meds and cleaners to e juice I think the point here is that those things dont usually smell like candy, and aren't going to be used all day every day by the people who own them. I took a sip of ammonia once because I thought it was ginger-ale. Mom turned her back for one second.

That being said, I think the OP did go a bit over board, but i still agree with the message. Just maybe not the delivery system

 

[sailorman]

If I never heard of one child ever dying of drinking nicotine, therefore it must not have ever happened. There is some real logic we can all live by.

Nobody in my family ever died from smoking, therefore smoking must not kill. I have not personally seen or been affected by it, so it can't be true.

If I chose to limit my thinking based on my personal experience, then I wouldn't be vaping now in the first place.

The latest availble statistics from the national poison control database says there were 5400 some odd poisonings of children under 5 by cigarettes and none by ejuice. Not no deaths, no reported poisonings. That's not personal experience, that's statistics. If there were one, we'd surely know about it. The prohibitionists would be shouting it from the rooftops.

 

[Antidevil]

If I never heard of one child ever dying of drinking nicotine, therefore it must not have ever happened. There is some real logic we can all live by.

Nobody in my family ever died from smoking, therefore smoking must not kill. I have not personally seen or been affected by it, so it can't be true.

If I chose to limit my thinking based on my personal experience, then I wouldn't be vaping now in the first place.

Yeah, but more children have been killed by toys, which are things that are manufactured specifically for children and are definitely not supposed to kill them, then have been killed by drinking nicotine. Of all of the things in the world today that will kill or hurt a child, liquid nicotine is at such a very, very low point of the list that everything above it is stuff like "apples," "refrigerators," and "inane internet comments." I may have already killed a few children with this reply, in fact.

Is it preventable? Yeah, sure. Don't be an idiot and leave your stuff where your kids are going to grab it and jam it into their face and eyes. Also, don't raise kids that jam things into their face and eyes. It's the same level of common sense as "don't leave your knives near the toys" and "don't use a sippee cup as a martini strainer and then leave that sippee cup near your kid's non-alcoholic sippee cup when you go to the job you hate."

Look, kids are idiots. We know. The number of PG-13 movies out there is proof, but you know what's a bigger threat to kids than nicotine? Stupid parents. That's really high up there. Do you want to start slapping Mr. Yuk stickers on their foreheads too? Because I kind of want to, now that I've thought about it.

 

[kenetix]

I don't know about all this. I think the parent/adult needs to take some responsibility. I grew up as a kid in the country. My parents had loaded guns and owned a pest control company. I was exposed to alot of stuff as a kid. I can remember my dad teaching me gun safety at a very young age. He took me outside and showed me the 410 and 22 he got for me when I was older and at that age he had me shoot the gun and kill a squirel and then showed me what it was that happened. He also taught me to never just pick up something and shove it in my mouth. Prior to that my mom always watched me and made sure stuff was put up in a safe manor. Really the bottom line don't throw your kids in front of the cartoon network and leave your liquid on the coffee table and leave the room for a few hours to go drink excessively and you should be ok. Really take the time to teach your kids actions come with consequence..... touching that stove is going to hurt, pull a gun and it will kill, and that poison in the little bottle or under the sink will screw your world up.

 

[SuperLuckyLady]

Yea, so many people keep saying that chemicals under your sink do not taste like peanut butter or blueberries. Umm, do any of you not get some juice on your lips? E-Liquid does not TASTE a bit like the way it vapes. It "tastes" like holy crap in liquid form.

Oh, I have some quote*premium organic*unquote juice that actually tastes really good......

 

[Antidevil]

Oh, I have some quote*premium organic*unquote juice that actually tastes really good......

I assume your avatar photo is you enjoying said premium juice.

(Please tell me where you got it. I've been looking for something good. Hoping they have tobacco.)

 

[SuperLuckyLady]

I assume your avatar photo is you enjoying said premium juice.

(Please tell me where you got it. I've been looking for something good. Hoping they have tobacco.)

Virgin vapers. Not sure if they have tobacco though. Pretty expensive stuff. I've recently changed to DYI as I can't afford it any more.

OK, enough. Someone's gonna yell at me for being off topic. Gotta be careful around here.

 

[Antidevil]

Virgin vapers. Not sure if they have tobacco though. Pretty expensive stuff. I've recently changed to DYI as I can't afford it any more.

OK, enough. Someone's gonna yell at me for being off topic. Gotta be careful around here.

They had two different tobaccos, and I ordered both. That $2.50 shipping sealed the deal. Also, I'm breaking the rules, and nobody* can stop me.

I think it's DIYers that actually have to be more careful than anyone due to the high concentration of nicotine you handle when mixing your own stuff. I DIY too. Again, though, there are precautions that you have to take as a DIYer that should extend into your parental safety as well. If you're just leaving your nicotine bottles out for a kid to grab and chug, your kid is probably going to be in trouble anyway at some point, because that is just a very dumb thing to do. Again, it really all boils down to paying attention to your kid and not leaving poison lying around the house.

(*Oh God please don't ban me.)

 

[jamentertainment]

Please no... I can never figure out those child proof caps, my kids are better at them than i am!!

 

[chinsk]

Loud noises!!!

 

[alan21]

Firstly let me apologize for my spelling, I have sustained brain damage from scarlet fever, many years ago. As in most things life gives and takes away, I lost spelling in some deep fundamental way, not the wrote learning but in some underlying ability. Face recognition is gone. Emotional involvement with anything outside of my nuclear family gone. Most of my short comings have been taken care of by staff. Only since retirement have I typed anything longer than one sentence. In C code, G code, a CAD system, BASIC, yes, but English... not really.

My personnel assistant has gone, along with my position, and I haven't figured out how to use a spell checker in a forum post, without typing in an other application.

For forty years I have ended my name with D Eng. Not PhD. Only when needed never privately never when Emailing friends. I thought I was talking to friends in this forum, I mentioned my education since no one knows me yet. Sort of saying I have read the literature, don't explain about ml, mg, etc.

I am also typing on the screen of a tablet, iconia tab, and correcting is a pain in the ...., so you see everything raw.

Only small minds are more concerned with how you say something, rather than what you say.

 

[alan21]

They had two different tobaccos, and I ordered both. That $2.50 shipping sealed the deal. Also, I'm breaking the rules, and nobody* can stop me.

I think it's DIYers that actually have to be more careful than anyone due to the high concentration of nicotine you handle when mixing your own stuff. I DIY too. Again, though, there are precautions that you have to take as a DIYer that should extend into your parental safety as well. If you're just leaving your nicotine bottles out for a kid to grab and chug, your kid is probably going to be in trouble anyway at some point, because that is just a very dumb thing to do. Again, it really all boils down to paying attention to your kid and not leaving poison lying around the house.

(*Oh God please don't ban me.)

see why I Posted

0.1 mg per kg of body weight is the lethal dose for a child... for a 22 lb child that is 1 mg.... of 6mg ejuic, the kid needs to "drink" 3 drops!!!!

 

[VapingRulz]

I know almost everyone here is going to yell about this post and I wil probably get banned but here goes. [...] Nic is honestly and truly a poison just like lots of drugs we like to use.

I read your whole post and while I can't argue with you, I have to wonder why you feel the need to point out the obvious. I'm pretty sure that we all know nicotine is poisonous to children and it should be stored safely, out of their reach. I routinely keep all sorts of dangerous things away from the kiddies: aspirin and medications, bleach and other cleaning supplies, sharp objects, etc. I have a child-proof fence around the pool, I use car seats and seat belts, yadda-yadda-yadda.

Most people are capable of keeping their children safe without an advisory.

 

[alan21]

Well it started when a vapetv host told me to vape all you want, when I asked how much is too much.
Then I asked in a chat, the response was, you can drink the stuff it is safe.
Then I researched it, and found that it is not safe.
some quick math and .. the e-liquid in most carto's is enough to kill you..mmmmm
as much as you want... safe to drink .... deadly ?
the " experts of vaping " say safe to drink F D A said poison mmmmm post

 

[dearme]

I quit believing anything I heard on TV at about age 12......

 

[Blakd]

Why someone would say that is beyond me. Have they ever looked at cases where people have killed a spouse, or someone died of a mysterious heart attack, and upon further inspection they found that the cause was pure nic and the person didn't even smoke. Some hospitals now check nicotine levels after death from heart failure because if the right amount is injected it can cause a death that looks like a heart attack. This is a very sticky subject with a downward slope and is the reason people should use common sense if they have it.

I am not justifying the way you posted this but I do agree that this is a serious issue as most teen and lazy parents don't even watch there children when in walmart these days. I believe that this could have been worded differently..Definitely. But look around when you go out to a store, there seems to be a lot of people that either don't care, are lazy, or are just plain stupid that are breeding for the hell of it.

 

[Traver]

see why I Posted

0.1 mg per kg of body weight is the lethal dose for a child... for a 22 lb child that is 1 mg.... of 6mg ejuic, the kid needs to "drink" 3 drops!!!!

That would be true if it was injected into the bloodstream. It would take much more if swallowed. When you swallow juice it is diluted by the contents of the stomach and it also takes much longer to get into the bloodstream. Another factor to consider is that the nicotine is being metabolized and rendered harmless at the same time it is being absorbed into the bloodstream.