Ya, it works great at 6 volts if you keep it wet. Vapor is really good.
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Ya, it works great at 6 volts if you keep it wet. Vapor is really good.
A post mortem was conducted this am on our beloved friend. These are the results.
Dis-regard the scorched marks on the length of the batting, this was saw cutting the chest cavity open as well as the scorch mark on the right of the "protective sleeve"
However, during post mortem there was clear evidence of scorching, burn through of the batting, Although the protective cover (small piece) shows evidence of scorching, no hole was found and it did do its intended job, prevent burn through. OTOH whilst the protective sleeve did its job, the heat generated was sufficient to burn a hole in the batting as can be seen in the pics (upper right corner).
This is the evidence displayed by the deceased, what may have cause this to happen based on its life?
Not having conducted a post mortem on the regular 510 cartos it is difficult to say what caused its premature demise. However based on the data collected to date, opening the chest cavity leads us to some possible conclusions:
Disclaimer: The following observations are intended for the review of this particular carto only. To encompass the remaining cartos still in testing alongside this review would be presumptuous and pure conjecture.
What kind of life did Silver lead?
The fine bouquet of RY4 was delivered to my senses in clouds of fresh flavourful vapour. I do not use clouds of vapour very often in my observations or descriptions, to do so means what it states: Clouds of Vapour. All this with a straight Dekang liquid which is said to have an 80/20% PG/VG ratio, not dissimilar to my own liquids.
It performed extremely well on the eGo and on my 3.7V box mod. At 5V (4.6V under load) a burnt taste was noticed. Use at 5V was discontinued and previously mentioned device were used for the duration of testing until the BeGo was completed.
With the BeGo, tha maximum this carto could withstand was 4.2V loaded. Anything over 4.2V started to render the burnt taste, even with a fresh top off. Based on the autopsy it is evident that burning did occur and not solely the liquid.
I did not try these cartos at any voltage higher than 5V because of the observations and experiences at 5V. To vape at a higher voltage IMO would have been reckless and absolutely worthless - if it is burning at 5V, it will definitely burn at 6V or higher.
I do not like using other products for comparative purposes, but at times a picture is worth 1K words. If we take the KR8 mega cartos, it can be clearly seen that the wick extends an enormous amount past the coil. In my learned opinion this permited greater wickability of the carto in general, it covered a greater area, and the majority of the liquid charge available to the vaper.The batting was similar to what is found in the reg 510 cartos. (verified against a reg 510 carto, both 510s have this build method) IMO this is an important observation, because the reg 510 flow and wick extremely well. That being said, vapour production of the regular cartos leave allot to be desired, comparatively speaking.
Because their is barely any wick extending past the coil in this test subject, it can be concluded that only the liquid present at the coil would vaporise, and only the top 1/3 of the carto usable (pics substantiate this). It was also observed that after a rest period where the liquid was once again allowed to permeate the remaining batting, one could vape once again. That being said, this was for a couple of hits before VP and taste started to wane.
In conclusion it is my learned opinion and experience, that this particular carto, in its present configuration, is not designed to be vaped at HV as intended. Would the carto perform better if some of the observed flaws are corrected? I honestly do not know, but in its present configuration with the "blanket" vs polyfill, I doubt it.
This carto is a great performer second to none I have had the peasure to try, but it still requires some looking into if its life is intended as an HV carto.
Dis-regard the scorched marks on the length of the batting, this was saw cutting the chest cavity open as well as the scorch mark on the right of the "protective sleeve"
However, during post mortem there was clear evidence of scorching, burn through of the batting, Although the protective cover (small piece) shows evidence of scorching, no hole was found and it did do its intended job, prevent burn through. OTOH whilst the protective sleeve did its job, the heat generated was sufficient to burn a hole in the batting as can be seen in the pics (upper right corner).
This is the evidence displayed by the deceased, what may have cause this to happen based on its life?
Not having conducted a post mortem on the regular 510 cartos it is difficult to say what caused its premature demise. However based on the data collected to date, opening the chest cavity leads us to some possible conclusions:
- It is my opinion that the coil in this particular carto was improperly constructed. One side of the coil was up against the end of the wick. This is an important find as this tidbit of information as been discussed in the past that sufficient wicking material need to be in place at the end of the coil (atomiser mods sub forum) to prevent the coil ends from overheating;
- The wick barely extends past the coil, which is uncommon for most atty as we can clearly see the wick in standard 510s;
- there is clear evidence of carbon build up on the coil, leading to extra current draw, especially at high voltage;
- from testing and as one of my fellow testers have found out, they require topping off quite often, compared to the regular cartos. Topping off at a rate of 10-12 drops whilst a fresh charge is 35 drops, results in 2/3 unusable fluid to the user. In normal circumstances this unusable liquid sits around 20-25% or at best 1/3;
- the aforementioned observation leads me to believe that the batting did not merely hold the liquid in suspension, but held it in. The wickability of the batting is questionable;
- I believe a longer wick might have improved the wickability of this carto; and
- the protective sleeve did its job.
Disclaimer: The following observations are intended for the review of this particular carto only. To encompass the remaining cartos still in testing alongside this review would be presumptuous and pure conjecture.
What kind of life did Silver lead?
The fine bouquet of RY4 was delivered to my senses in clouds of fresh flavourful vapour. I do not use clouds of vapour very often in my observations or descriptions, to do so means what it states: Clouds of Vapour. All this with a straight Dekang liquid which is said to have an 80/20% PG/VG ratio, not dissimilar to my own liquids.
It performed extremely well on the eGo and on my 3.7V box mod. At 5V (4.6V under load) a burnt taste was noticed. Use at 5V was discontinued and previously mentioned device were used for the duration of testing until the BeGo was completed.
With the BeGo, tha maximum this carto could withstand was 4.2V loaded. Anything over 4.2V started to render the burnt taste, even with a fresh top off. Based on the autopsy it is evident that burning did occur and not solely the liquid.
I did not try these cartos at any voltage higher than 5V because of the observations and experiences at 5V. To vape at a higher voltage IMO would have been reckless and absolutely worthless - if it is burning at 5V, it will definitely burn at 6V or higher.
I do not like using other products for comparative purposes, but at times a picture is worth 1K words. If we take the KR8 mega cartos, it can be clearly seen that the wick extends an enormous amount past the coil. In my learned opinion this permited greater wickability of the carto in general, it covered a greater area, and the majority of the liquid charge available to the vaper.
Because their is barely any wick extending past the coil in this test subject, it can be concluded that only the liquid present at the coil would vaporise, and only the top 1/3 of the carto usable (pics substantiate this). It was also observed that after a rest period where the liquid was once again allowed to permeate the remaining batting, one could vape once again. That being said, this was for a couple of hits before VP and taste started to wane.
In conclusion it is my learned opinion and experience, that this particular carto, in its present configuration, is not designed to be vaped at HV as intended. Would the carto perform better if some of the observed flaws are corrected? I honestly do not know, but in its present configuration with the "blanket" vs polyfill, I doubt it.
This carto is a great performer second to none I have had the peasure to try, but it still requires some looking into if its life is intended as an HV carto.
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I made sure to top off often today with my silver one, that made it good for about 30 min, so not a lot better in my opinion.
The black one for me is still the best one for the HV vaping.
They are both getting kinda mucky and need cleaned.
I made sure to top off often today with my silver one, that made it good for about 30 min, so not a lot better in my opinion.
The black one for me is still the best one for the HV vaping.
They are both getting kinda mucky and need cleaned.
Hey Guys & Girls, cant forget the Looker that's for sure so dang pretty, well not to change the subject of our testing these Cartos but I received a huge order of the CE2 R4 version, the latest and best release of the newer CE2 Cartos today. They are very good this latest version, I had version CE2 R3 last week and was not happy at all and since I had a huge order coming from the factory I was bumming out, but that has changed, after seeing the inside of Switcher's Cartos on his post from today and tearing into mine I have really been thinking about health concerns as of the last month. With that being said I wanted to get into these newer filler less cartos and ordered a bunch of this latest and last revision so it seems. They have been perfected I think, I vaped two different ones today and had plumes of vaper with a great tasting vape. They seem to be made to run at 3.45V for the 510 version as that's what I got in the Regular size and the XL size, I split my order half and half. I don't want to go on and on since this thread is specific to the Iken Beta thread but just wanted to let you all know that these latest CE2 R4 are pretty darn good so far, Issac you surely may want to look into these as I think they could become very popular.
Over & Out
MWA
Over & Out
MWA
I don't care for the e2s very much. They make my juice lose it's flavor. The ones I really like the most are Ikenvapes megas. I can vape one of these for a very long time. They produce good vapor and taste. I got e2s regular and xl 510 and 808 and they all do the same thing.
You don't have latest batch that just got released from the plant 5card, that I just received I don't believe anyways, I too enjoy the Iken cartos, I was just posting what I received and tried today, as for health reasons as well no filler is a great thing, like I said I like my LR AND HV filler Cartos too, but until you've tried these latest ones that have just been released and people are just now receiving them today then you don't know buddy as these are pretty good
I realize what your saying but I heard that before and ordered them and now I have a bunch of cartos I don't care for. Health reasons aren't a factor if you use the regulars right and not vape the filler but just the juice. The e2s work great in vapor production but I just don't taste that much flavor when I use them. I'm very happy they work well for you and everyone else who uses them but they're just not as good as the Megas for me and I'm not saying that just because this is Ikens thread. I honestly believe it. It's also good of you to spread the word on them for those that do like them. I was just stating my opinion. It's all good.
not to happy with the Ce2 r4 I got. They get hot and it tastes like its burnt. They also dont work on my little Chuck. I wont be ordering any more. I guess it boils down to some will like them and some wont. Just my 3 cents.
Let's not highjack this thread any further with the CE2s folks. They have their own thread. Thanks 
Yesterday evening the black carto's performance droped significantly, therefore I discontinued its use.
Dis-regard the scorched marks on the length of the batting, this was saw cutting the chest cavity open as well as the scorch mark on the right of the "protective sleeve"
During post mortem there was clear evidence of not only scorching, but burn through of the batting. The hole that burnt through the batting had cause the batting to weld itself together at the site. In this case the protective cover failed to do its job and evidence that it burnt through as well was found. The heat generated at medium high voltage 4.6 and 4.2 loaded was sufficient to burn a hole in the batting and protective sleeve as can be seen in the pics.
In conclusion, these cartos rock at 3.7V and 3.2V on the eGo. Producing excellent flavour and tremendous amounts of vapour. These cartos are the bees knees IMHO, at 3.7V and come highly recommended to anyone.
That being said, I cannot endorse the use of these cartos for voltages higher than 3.7V, in their present configuration. They simply cannot withstand the heat generated at the coil. Two things come to mind here, which may have lead to their early demise:
Considering that my liquids flow extremely well in all other devices to include but not limited to vaping LR attys with carts, my closing observations should assist Isaac with a way ahead, if this line of cartos is to be pursued for HV vaping.
I would like to thank Isaac for giving me this opportunity and I hope my review was helpful.
Dis-regard the scorched marks on the length of the batting, this was saw cutting the chest cavity open as well as the scorch mark on the right of the "protective sleeve"
During post mortem there was clear evidence of not only scorching, but burn through of the batting. The hole that burnt through the batting had cause the batting to weld itself together at the site. In this case the protective cover failed to do its job and evidence that it burnt through as well was found. The heat generated at medium high voltage 4.6 and 4.2 loaded was sufficient to burn a hole in the batting and protective sleeve as can be seen in the pics.
- Unlike the silver carto the construction of the coil seemed appropriate;
- The wick extended past the coil, therefore keeping the coil relatively cool. The wick OTOH in this carto is totally burnt;
- there is clear evidence of carbon build up on the coil, leading to extra current draw, especially at high voltage;
- from testing and as one of my fellow testers have found out, they require topping off quite often, compared to the regular cartos. Topping off at a rate of 10-12 drops whilst a fresh charge is 35 drops, results in 2/3 unusable fluid to the user. In normal circumstances this unusable liquid sits around 20-25% or at best 1/3;
- the aforementioned observation leads me to believe that the batting did not merely hold the liquid in suspension, but held it in. The wickability of the batting is questionable; and
- the protective sleeve in this carto did not do its job.
In conclusion, these cartos rock at 3.7V and 3.2V on the eGo. Producing excellent flavour and tremendous amounts of vapour. These cartos are the bees knees IMHO, at 3.7V and come highly recommended to anyone.
That being said, I cannot endorse the use of these cartos for voltages higher than 3.7V, in their present configuration. They simply cannot withstand the heat generated at the coil. Two things come to mind here, which may have lead to their early demise:
- too much heat generated at the coil; and/or
- the wickability of the batting unsuitable for use at HV.
Considering that my liquids flow extremely well in all other devices to include but not limited to vaping LR attys with carts, my closing observations should assist Isaac with a way ahead, if this line of cartos is to be pursued for HV vaping.
I would like to thank Isaac for giving me this opportunity and I hope my review was helpful.
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I would be remiss if I didn't post the following addendum.
We need to keep in mind folks that cartos were never intended to be used more than once or refilled for that matter.
We are using them outside of their normal intent.
They were definitely not designed for HV vaping although many use them as such.
It is my recommendation for folks that use cartos for HV vaping and for extended periods of time to carry out their own autopsy on the cartos. The BB menthol definitely masked the burnt taste sensed with a milder flavoured liquid, but nonetheless as evidenced serious burning was taking place in the black carto. This carto was never taken above 5V, more specifically 4.6 loaded. After discovery of scorching and burn through on the silver, vaping on the black was conducted at 4.2V loaded until its demise.
Longevity at HV is significantly decreased IMHO when compared to life expectancy at 3.7V.
A point to ponder...
If we drip at HV, then why would we think that a carto can supply an atomiser adequately, when a cart is incapable of supplying the thirst of an HV atty. I have had success in the past supplying LRs at 3.7V and 3Ohm attys at 5V, but I mix my own liquid, and in all honesty the process was indeed hit and miss and, this was with attys on the verge of being flooded.
We need to keep in mind folks that cartos were never intended to be used more than once or refilled for that matter.
We are using them outside of their normal intent.
They were definitely not designed for HV vaping although many use them as such.
It is my recommendation for folks that use cartos for HV vaping and for extended periods of time to carry out their own autopsy on the cartos. The BB menthol definitely masked the burnt taste sensed with a milder flavoured liquid, but nonetheless as evidenced serious burning was taking place in the black carto. This carto was never taken above 5V, more specifically 4.6 loaded. After discovery of scorching and burn through on the silver, vaping on the black was conducted at 4.2V loaded until its demise.
Longevity at HV is significantly decreased IMHO when compared to life expectancy at 3.7V.
A point to ponder...
If we drip at HV, then why would we think that a carto can supply an atomiser adequately, when a cart is incapable of supplying the thirst of an HV atty. I have had success in the past supplying LRs at 3.7V and 3Ohm attys at 5V, but I mix my own liquid, and in all honesty the process was indeed hit and miss and, this was with attys on the verge of being flooded.
Good lord, I just wrote up my thoughts on this 7th day and the computer wigged out on me!
BBL to write them again
BBL to write them again
Here is a pic of it Ikenvape. I posted it in the modders forum too. It gives me unloaded volts and loaded volts and amps.
Great review and pics switched.
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