Hybrid adapters vs copper pin 510 connection
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It really depends on the hybrid adapter.. A lot of Hybrid adapters are simply "Hybrid-LOOK" Adapters. These adapters usually have a pin - one side makes contact with the atty, and one side with the battery. So you're getting the hybrid look, but not really getting the atty any closer to the battery (My MCR hybrid adapter is like this). Which, IMO, is the goal of a "true" hybrid adapter....
A true hybrid connection moves the atty so that it makes direct contact with the battery, bypassing the 510 connection.....this should, in theory, reduce voltage drop....whether it does or not is up for debate I suppose...
It really depends on the hybrid adapter.. A lot of Hybrid adapters are simply "Hybrid-LOOK" Adapters. These adapters usually have a pin - one side makes contact with the atty, and one side with the battery. So you're getting the hybrid look, but not really getting the atty any closer to the battery (My MCR hybrid adapter is like this). Which, IMO, is the goal of a "true" hybrid adapter....
A true hybrid connection moves the atty so that it makes direct contact with the battery, bypassing the 510 connection.....this should, in theory, reduce voltage drop....whether it does or not is up for debate I suppose...
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Waddup brother!
Haha brooksie and I were discussing this that's why I posted the question ... !
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Haha nice!!
Yeah I have a few mods that I run in Hybrid mode. My MCR and my Anatolian have hybrid-look adapters, but my GP Paps with Heron on top is an example of a true hybrid connection, as the atty has a pin on it that makes direct contact with the battery....I myself have been curious what the voltage drop difference is with the same mod/atty run in hybrid mode and also 510 top cap mode.....It would no doubt be an interesting experiment!
JP
Just wrote a big long reply to this but connection timed out as I'm at work.
Basically, what it said was that I don't understand how the claim that a hybrid connection produces less voltage drop is a thing. Esentially all you're doing is reducing the length of the pin as the atty itself has a pin within it that acts as a conductor.
My last response was much more detailed/smarter sounding but I think this will work
Basically, what it said was that I don't understand how the claim that a hybrid connection produces less voltage drop is a thing. Esentially all you're doing is reducing the length of the pin as the atty itself has a pin within it that acts as a conductor.
My last response was much more detailed/smarter sounding but I think this will work
can't chime in from personal experience, but i saw pbusardo's interview with zen a couple of days ago - zen talked about size and reliability (less parts to break/malfunction) as benefits of hybrid construction, i don't remember him mentioning voltage drop though.
I can say from experience; as JP is saying, a direct atty to batt connection does have less voltage drop (hit harder).
& it makes sense too right, there is nothing that is going to be more conductive than actually connecting the atty's 510 positive pin straight to the battery. Even a chunk on gold between to two.
^So that is the Pro.
The Cons are: Mod has to now adjust for battery rattle w/ button, or by telescoping the tube (ewwh). Usually low v-drop mods are used for dripping; in the case of overdripping (which we all do) juice can get in the TC & tube, leads to more frequent cleaning & occasionally TC can get 'stuck' in the tube which you'll need drill bit(s) or a tool to remove if modder smartly included a feature like two holes to remove TC. And probably the biggest con is safety; the atty's 510 pin must protrude. Also for some reason there are still some mods that do not have a insulated hybrid TC (in this case if you take the atty off w/o removing the batt first you can have a hard short).
Cons are really not that bad as long as Mod was designed properly.
& silver, gold, whatever, as long as the button is designed to also take a high current draw direct battery contact is the way to go if you're looking for big clouds & a hard hitting mod.
Regarding the top connection, it ain't gonna get more conductive than that.
-PS credit to BCV for doing it first.
& it makes sense too right, there is nothing that is going to be more conductive than actually connecting the atty's 510 positive pin straight to the battery. Even a chunk on gold between to two.
^So that is the Pro.
The Cons are: Mod has to now adjust for battery rattle w/ button, or by telescoping the tube (ewwh). Usually low v-drop mods are used for dripping; in the case of overdripping (which we all do) juice can get in the TC & tube, leads to more frequent cleaning & occasionally TC can get 'stuck' in the tube which you'll need drill bit(s) or a tool to remove if modder smartly included a feature like two holes to remove TC. And probably the biggest con is safety; the atty's 510 pin must protrude. Also for some reason there are still some mods that do not have a insulated hybrid TC (in this case if you take the atty off w/o removing the batt first you can have a hard short).
Cons are really not that bad as long as Mod was designed properly.
& silver, gold, whatever, as long as the button is designed to also take a high current draw direct battery contact is the way to go if you're looking for big clouds & a hard hitting mod.
Regarding the top connection, it ain't gonna get more conductive than that.
-PS credit to BCV for doing it first.
Again I'm not seeing how it could lower voltage drop in any other way than shortening the contact. If your atty has a copper pin, then you're still sending power through the copper. So we're essentially eliminating a 1/2 inch ish of copper from the length of the total connection?
The more connections and contact points that you add to an electrical circuit the more voltage loss you will experience. Although the length of the pin will be a potential contributing factor, the bigger factor I believe is adding an additional contact point when you put a firing pin between the battery and the atomizer. You can silver plate the firing pin or use a short all-copper pin but you're still adding another contact point into the circuit.
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Try it, you might like it.
It's not about shortening the length. It's about removing a connection point.
Just like a solid tube has less v-drop than multiple threaded together.
Make sense now?
Shortening the current path would be one reason why the voltage drop could be lower on direct atty +pin to battery contact, though I would think (and I'm no electrical engineer so this is just conjecture) that the biggest improvement would come from having two less contacts that are metal pressed against metal.
Regardless of the material, simply pressing two pieces of metal together would seem to offer a higher resistance pathway that a single piece of metal. It removes a small amount of air and other surface contaminants that would raise resistance. If you were to take a length of wire, measure it's resistance, then cut it in to three pieces and twist the ends together to make it back in to one wire would the resistance be higher?
Like I said, I don't have references for the physics behind this but it makes sense in my head.
Regardless of the material, simply pressing two pieces of metal together would seem to offer a higher resistance pathway that a single piece of metal. It removes a small amount of air and other surface contaminants that would raise resistance. If you were to take a length of wire, measure it's resistance, then cut it in to three pieces and twist the ends together to make it back in to one wire would the resistance be higher?
Like I said, I don't have references for the physics behind this but it makes sense in my head.
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