Hybrid Mods?

[dixonjosh77]

Hi all,

I've been informed that hybrid mods are unsafe to use with an Aspire Atlantis tank. I currently am using a copper Nemesis clone. I do not believe that it is a hybrid, but can someone give me a yes or no answer as to whether it is a hybrid mod? I really appreciate it.

If you also feel inclined, would you be able to give me a clear description of the difference between hybrid mods and regular mech mods?

Thanks!

JD

 

[tearose50]

If you can screw a 510 threaded atty on it, it isn't a hybrid. (the Atlantis has 510 threading)

Edit and correction: Some mech "hybrids" have a "510 connection" wherein the pin of the atty directly touches the battery. Read the next couple of pages for data about these and pictures of original Hybrid no pin style and the more recent Hybrid topcap style.

As I recall -- hybrid was a term made up for mods where the atty and tube were threaded to match---and I believe somehow the atty part was more directly connected to the battery. I believe I've read about hybrid kits for the nemesis---but Hybrids or Nemesis are not my forte.

The comment doesn't make sense to me at all. You couldn't attach an Atlantis to an original hybrid without some sort of connector adapter, which would invalidate it's hybrid status. Though I personally prefer regulated mods, I also see no reason why an Atlantis couldn't be used on a Mech, as long as you are using the appropriately rated battery for the sub ohm of the coil.

Soon after you get your post count over 5 you will be able to ask questions in other areas of the forum and find some areas where the Nemesis and Atlantis are being discussed.

 

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[WattWick]

Just to elaborate a little on what Tearose wrote...

There are two ways of making a Nemesis into a hybrid. One is "the proper way". Which is fitting it with an atty made to thread directly into the battery tube. The atties one could use for this are the ones made by the same company, like the 3D and the Dome.

The other way is by using a hybrid adapter. Which - unlike a normal top cap - fits inside the battery tube and has a 510 threaded inner hole. Your atty will make direct contact to your battery. The problem with these adapters is that not all atties are made to be compatible. Some will short circuit due to the design of the 510 connector.

By default the Nemesis uses an ordinary top cap. I took a quick and dirty picture just to make it clearer. On the left you have a (dusty) ordinary Nemesis top cap. On the right is a hybrid adapter. If your mod is using the one on the left - it is not set up like a hybrid.

Oh.. and welcome aboard!

 

[NancyR]

Hi all,

I've been informed that hybrid mods are unsafe to use with an Aspire Atlantis tank. I currently am using a copper Nemesis clone. I do not believe that it is a hybrid, but can someone give me a yes or no answer as to whether it is a hybrid mod? I really appreciate it.

If you also feel inclined, would you be able to give me a clear description of the difference between hybrid mods and regular mech mods?

Thanks!

JD

No that mod is not a hybrid, the hybrids they are talking about do not have a connector, the atty screws on and the base of the atty touches the battery.

If you can screw a 510 threaded atty on it, it isn't a hybrid. (the Atlantis has 510 threading)

As I recall -- hybrid was a term made up for mods where the atty and tube were threaded to match---and I believe somehow the atty part was more directly connected to the battery. I believe I've read about hybrid kits for the nemesis---but Hybrids or Nemesis are not my forte.

The comment doesn't make sense to me at all. You couldn't attach an Atlantis to a true hybrid without some sort of connector adapter, which would invalidate it's hybrid status. Though I personally prefer regulated mods, I also see no reason why an Atlantis couldn't be used on a Mech, as long as you are using the appropriately rated battery for the sub ohm of the coil.

Soon after you get your post count over 5 you will be able to ask questions in other areas of the forum and find some areas where the Nemesis and Atlantis are being discussed.

This use to be true, but the latest hybrids are not like that, they look like a standard mech mod but instead of having a 510 connector, they just have a hole you screw the 510 into, the center pen of the atty is what makes contact with the battery. Personally I feel they are dangerous and do not like the fact they are even out.

 

[dbrandt01]

Not the best picture, but I've sold the mod so i don't have any other pictures. This was my hybrid mod. There was no top cap or postive contact pin. You screwed an atty on top and the pin that stuck out on some atty's would make direct contact with the battery. I've never used the Nemesis so not sure what it's like. Just figured I'd add in what my hybrid looked like.

 

[NCCTC]

The positive pin on the Atlantis is short enough to be considered dangerous ... in my opinion.
It's easy to overtighten your cap, pushing down on the battery, and denting the battery top.
This can, and eventually will, cause a short. Not a good idea. As far as mechs go, I'd suggest
using Atlantis tanks only on top caps with adjustable 510 pins. I've tested the Atlantis on
my hybrid, using button top batteries. It works, but I wouldn't trust it in the long run.

 

[Susan~S]

As far as mechs go, I'd suggest using Atlantis tanks only on top caps with adjustable 510 pins.

I'd take this a step further and include all clearomizers with regards to hybrid top caps. None of them should be used with a hybrid top cap mod. There are even some RDA's/RTA's that should not be used with hybrid top caps.

Hybrid Top Caps & Battery Failure

 

[tearose50]

Glad I responded to this thread and followed up. You all have helped this old time vaper learn of the hybrid changes and how those "adapters" work, even the ones made with just that "adapter" part. Eeks -- I'll stay with my regulated mods.

Hope the OP checks in and thanks all of you.

 

[Thrasher]

Hybrid Atty



Hybrid mod
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1411/10007989/1704200-armada-style-18500-18350-hybrid


I use a lot of real hybrids and I wish they would find a different name for these other ones, maybe pinless 510 because they are starting to give real hybrids a bad name

 

[NCCTC]

I'd take this a step further and include all clearomizers with regards to hybrid top caps. None of them should be used with a hybrid top cap mod. There are even some RDA's/RTA's that should not be used with hybrid top caps.

Hybrid Top Caps & Battery Failure

100% agree. Take the "ounce of prevention .." route.

 

[dixonjosh77]

Just came home from college and was pleasantly surprised at the amount of responses I received. Thanks to every single one of you that replied! You took me from having hardly any knowledge of hybrids to having a clear and thorough understanding. The pictures made your responses even clearer, and now I'm not worried about using my Nemesis and Atlantis, because I'm 100% sure they're safe. Once again, thanks everyone!!!!

 

[tj99959]

Hybrid Atty
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Hybrid mod
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1411/10007989/1704200-armada-style-18500-18350-hybrid


I use a lot of real hybrids and I wish they would find a different name for these other ones, maybe pinless 510 because they are starting to give real hybrids a bad name

Actually it's past time for a recall on those hybrid 510 top caps IMO.
Sure, they work well for those that know what they're doing, but 4 have blown up that we know about (all user error).

 

[nyiddle]

Not the best picture, but I've sold the mod so i don't have any other pictures. This was my hybrid mod. There was no top cap or postive contact pin. You screwed an atty on top and the pin that stuck out on some atty's would make direct contact with the battery. I've never used the Nemesis so not sure what it's like. Just figured I'd add in what my hybrid looked like.

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/dannylbrandt/20150206_174542_zpsaf2792f1.jpg

How'd you like the Godfather? I was totally considering getting one (and I'm also considering the 18650 version). Just can't justify buying a 200$ mod on its first run, y'know.

I've been following the dude since the beginning, his story is pretty inspiring (his father recently passed, he started Made Man Mods in his dad's honor).

 

[CynikalMindset]

I use an atlantis on a smpl mod BUT I modified the treads on 510 on the atlantis for the positive pin to never sit near flush

 

[dingo1799]

 

[Thrasher]

Actually it's past time for a recall on those hybrid 510 top caps IMO.
Sure, they work well for those that know what they're doing, but 4 have blown up that we know about (all user error).

That's my point, gonna show up somewhere and someone will ask what is that and I'll say oh its my fusion hybrid and get kicked out of the shop lol

I've been following the dude since the beginning, his story is pretty inspiring (his father recently passed, he started Made Man Mods in his dad's honor).

Same kinda story for MMVAPORS but his brother if I remember right. If he puts the same dedication into his mods as mmv does I'll be interested as well


To the op, as long as you got a decent one you'll love the nemesis great mod ,have 2 a very good daily driver, easy to find parts if needed as well

 

[nyiddle]

I use an atlantis on a smpl mod BUT I modified the treads on 510 on the atlantis for the positive pin to never sit near flush

http://i.imgur.com/85QgSqf.jpg

It's your prerogative, but all it'd take is some slight indentation in the top of your battery or the positive pin to get pushed in and you've got a big problem on your hands.

Personally, I'd just play it safe and throw it on a non-hybrid mech (or a regulated mod).

 

[edyle]

Hi all,

I've been informed that hybrid mods are unsafe to use with an Aspire Atlantis tank. I currently am using a copper Nemesis clone. I do not believe that it is a hybrid, but can someone give me a yes or no answer as to whether it is a hybrid mod? I really appreciate it.

If you also feel inclined, would you be able to give me a clear description of the difference between hybrid mods and regular mech mods?

Thanks!

JD

A hybrid mod has no 510 thread, and instead the tank/topper screws directly onto the tube using m20x0.5, m20x1, m21x1 or whatever thread.
Example the 3d rda threads onto the nemesis mod directly with no topcap on the nemesis and no 510-to-m20x0.5 adapter on the 3d.
The hybrid tank has a big center pin .

Hybrid mods are perfectly safe to use with compatible hybrid tanks/toppers.

The unsafe practice which has been occurring is manufacturers save money by cutting corners and producing mods with a 510 outer thread and no positive center pin, so that IF the tank/topper center pin protrudes enough, the connection will work ; but if not, the battery gets shorted out.
These unsafe mods (like the SMPL) are not hybrids;
they are usually described as "hybrid look" mods because on a hybrid mod you don't end up with a gap between the mod and the tank; with a fixed centerpin mod you tend to end up with a gap between the mod and the tank; with the standard adjustable centerpin on most mech mods, once you adjust the topcap screws to the tank/topper you get no gap.

SMPL v2 "Hybrid Look" mod
It has no center pin.

Astro mech mod:
Note the center pin in the middle

Chi you topcap:
m21x1 topcap: note the center pin and center pin screws

Vapelyfe hybrid mod: dripper screws directly onto the mod tube; dripper has one big..... centerpin which makes obvious contact with the top of the battery

 

[tj99959]

Where's the video? Wanna hear him say "hybrid top cap mechmod" one more time