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What should I do about shop selling dangerous equipment w/ no guidance?
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The focus of the discussion here is the impact on the vaping industry by the inevitable spectacular accidents resulting from all the other people using unfused devices. It's great you use fused mechs but it seems to be the exception, not the rule. I wouldn't use an unfused mech either. I could never get past the "stuff happens" problem.
I disagree...
Remember: "So, coming off a Nautilus on an istick, I decided to try sub ohming on a mech. Two defective mechs latter, I tried a different shop. This one didn't sell me a defect, they sold me a hybrid mod, and didn't give me any safety info with it."
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I used mechanical mods in the past and I knew mine had protected batteries but I wanted to play with subohm and headed to the local shop here. I asked for good protected high drain batteries and he sold me unprotected sony konion vtc5 though I repeatedly asked if they are protected. I had no idea but I could google the information.
I will never understand the almost constant need of people on hobby vaping forums to bash B&Ms.
It's almost like some people have forgotten that we are trying to get people off cigarettes.
Where I live there are tons of people in different age groups that do not go online. There are tons of people who won't put a credit card thru online (old fashioned people).
The reality is that many many people will find their way off cigarettes because they have a B&M in their town.
It's sad to see that the "hobby" aspect, i.e., "I know what I"m doing and I have all this great stuff" seems to be more important to some than what the entire point of ecigs really is: to get people off cigarettes, to save their lives.
I hope that message and that mission doesn't get lost in all the cloud blowing!~
Many have quit using Blu, and moved on from there. If Blu had not been available at walmart, or the cheapo knockoff ego with CE4 wasn't availagle at the B&M.......all these people would still be wallking around smoking!
From what I have seen, tobacco stores make the best B&Ms, rather than dedicated vape shops...
I will never understand the almost constant need of people on hobby vaping forums to bash B&Ms.
It's almost like some people have forgotten that we are trying to get people off cigarettes.
Where I live there are tons of people in different age groups that do not go online. There are tons of people who won't put a credit card thru online (old fashioned people).
The reality is that many many people will find their way off cigarettes because they have a B&M in their town.
It's sad to see that the "hobby" aspect, i.e., "I know what I"m doing and I have all this great stuff" seems to be more important to some than what the entire point of ecigs really is: to get people off cigarettes, to save their lives.
I hope that message and that mission doesn't get lost in all the cloud blowing!~
Many have quit using Blu, and moved on from there. If Blu had not been available at walmart, or the cheapo knockoff ego with CE4 wasn't availagle at the B&M.......all these people would still be wallking around smoking!
Absolutely agree with ya! I know now that I got completely ripped off with my first set-up. Mall kiosk that charged me about $200 for a cig-a-like kit that sucked royally... but it introduced me to vaping, and I've moved on from there... but at least I'm still vaping and not smoking. That all started about 6 years ago... I still love my mech mods, no fuses, no safety, just simple voltage to a coil. I'm a big fan of personal accountability in all things. We've already had too many cases of people suing companies for their own mistakes (McDonald's for spilling coffee on yourself? Really?!?, and we won't even get into the whole thing about people trying to sue gun companies because someone shot their loved one...) It isn't the store employee's responsibility to educate you, it isn't the car dealership's responsibility to make sure that you can handle 400hp, it isn't the gun store's job to make sure that you can hit your target... it is YOUR responsibility to look after your own safety. All I ask is that we all do our jobs... [end soapbox rant]
Lawd Have Mercy my Brothers, ain't this become quite the polarizing Incitement!
I see & understand your Points and in an Idyllic World such would be a reasonable Expectation & common Actuality. But in that same "Eden", I would be able to expect that all my Orders from the Drive-Through would be correct and not blindly and naively bite into a Pickle every now and then too.
To Expect, or even Hope & Dream for that matter, that such would be or EVER be Reality does a Disservice to Ourselves, this Community, and the "Newberz" that look here for Direction & Advice. Gotta stop Itchin' & Bit,,,n' about what IS and insisting that the Ship "Right Itself" and get on with the Business of Proclaiming and Reinforcing the absolute Necessity of Individual Responsibility & Ownership of One's own Fate and Consequence.
I'll dare go one Big Step further and say that the Lack of such is a Huge Contributor (if not Primary Suspect) to the Woes & Shortfalls of our Age in General.
Self-Reliance IS the only Real and Attainable Answer & Solution to this or any like Situation & Issue.
Of course, One of the Primary Purposes and Functions of ECF and All Responsible Members thereof is an apt Countermeasure. We seek, provide & share Direction, Guidance, Experience (both the Good & the Bad), Advice, and Opinions as best we can. That helps fill the initial Voids that inevitably arise from the "Learning Curve".
Yet we have got to temper and preface that Mission and our Undertakings in pursuit of the Objective with a steadfast commitment to the One Thing that best suits and most effectively provides for ALL Individual Needs in ALL Situations; Personal Responsibility & Accountability, Period.
That's Not "Philosophy" - That's Common Sense. Which unfortunately yet obviously, must not be too "Common" anymore.
AND Keep This In Mind... Continuing to Bemoan & Perpetuate the "Wrongdoings" and Morality & Ethics Crimes perpetrated by these "EVil" Shops and Henchmen Pushers of Vape Vermin and we ourselves are playing smack-dab into the Traps and Snares of the Purveyors of Paranoia and their Reign of Regulations & Confiscations. Feed that Beast and we will ALL get eaten up.
And for God's Sake! Would somebody PLEASE start a "Things I HATE-Wanna Fight About It!" Thread for VNeil so he can cease the incessant and Inane Baiting, Spewing & Splattering in the Threads of others.
Then again,,, Just as Every Town needs "One"; I suppose every Forum does as well
Blather On & Enjoy oh Master of Malcontent & Misgivings
I see & understand your Points and in an Idyllic World such would be a reasonable Expectation & common Actuality. But in that same "Eden", I would be able to expect that all my Orders from the Drive-Through would be correct and not blindly and naively bite into a Pickle every now and then too.
To Expect, or even Hope & Dream for that matter, that such would be or EVER be Reality does a Disservice to Ourselves, this Community, and the "Newberz" that look here for Direction & Advice. Gotta stop Itchin' & Bit,,,n' about what IS and insisting that the Ship "Right Itself" and get on with the Business of Proclaiming and Reinforcing the absolute Necessity of Individual Responsibility & Ownership of One's own Fate and Consequence.
I'll dare go one Big Step further and say that the Lack of such is a Huge Contributor (if not Primary Suspect) to the Woes & Shortfalls of our Age in General.
Self-Reliance IS the only Real and Attainable Answer & Solution to this or any like Situation & Issue.
Of course, One of the Primary Purposes and Functions of ECF and All Responsible Members thereof is an apt Countermeasure. We seek, provide & share Direction, Guidance, Experience (both the Good & the Bad), Advice, and Opinions as best we can. That helps fill the initial Voids that inevitably arise from the "Learning Curve".
Yet we have got to temper and preface that Mission and our Undertakings in pursuit of the Objective with a steadfast commitment to the One Thing that best suits and most effectively provides for ALL Individual Needs in ALL Situations; Personal Responsibility & Accountability, Period.
That's Not "Philosophy" - That's Common Sense. Which unfortunately yet obviously, must not be too "Common" anymore.
AND Keep This In Mind... Continuing to Bemoan & Perpetuate the "Wrongdoings" and Morality & Ethics Crimes perpetrated by these "EVil" Shops and Henchmen Pushers of Vape Vermin and we ourselves are playing smack-dab into the Traps and Snares of the Purveyors of Paranoia and their Reign of Regulations & Confiscations. Feed that Beast and we will ALL get eaten up.
And for God's Sake! Would somebody PLEASE start a "Things I HATE-Wanna Fight About It!" Thread for VNeil so he can cease the incessant and Inane Baiting, Spewing & Splattering in the Threads of others.
Then again,,, Just as Every Town needs "One"; I suppose every Forum does as well
Blather On & Enjoy oh Master of Malcontent & Misgivings
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So you are perfectly ok with B&Ms taking no responsibility whatsoever to educate customers in the use of potential incendiary devices?
Why not? Fireworks shops do it every day... and those are TRUE incendiary devices. Mech mods are not... unless YOU didn't do YOUR homework...
I bought a big bag of fireworks at a grocery store last New Years Eve. No warning labels or instructions. These were actual rockets, not what is available to the general public in the US. We launched them from rocket tubes which the city placed throughout Old Town Square. No one got hurt...
Well, considering that B&M's, in general, are selling things 50-100% over the price we can pay on the internet, and considering that the average shop has a far more limited selection than we can easily find on the internet, that doesn't leave much added value for the cost paid, unless paying double is worth the instant gratification.
But aside from that issue, in the real world, a large portion of people will not do their homework. A certain percentage of them will blow themselves up, that is a statistical certainty. The media will make great hay about it. Regulators will beat their drums to regulate us, and not just the mechs, they would prefer we all be limited to the cigalikes their BT patrons sell.
And through all that, you and Izan will be absolutely correct, that people should take responsibility for themselves. While you vape your regulator approved cigalike because your open system dripper was banned. I guess it's sometimes called "losing correctly" although some people call it "winning the battle but losing the war". This is about so much more than religion and philosophy. This is about an industry hell bent on going over a bridge that is out, which everyone can plainly see, but no one wants to do anything about.
Hey! Glad You're Here & Glad you Posted! Please stick around and Stay the Course.
Don't sweat the Deal or the little "Oopsies" you are bound to have along the way in this. Happens/Happened to us all.
Like Edison proved so adeptly,,, Failures are invaluable Lessons on the Road to any worthwhile Achievement & the Keys to a solid and lasting Success.
It's All Good!
B&M's charge what they charge because of overhead. People pay what they charge for a multitude of reasons, such as instant gratification and impulse buys. The argument that you can get the same product cheaper on the internet than at a B&M applies to ALL B&M stores... for almost all products.
As for people not doing their homework? Society as a whole should just get out of the way and let Darwin's theory root out the stupid and lazy... but that's not likely to happen, unfortunately. But, any electronic device with a battery is subject to misuse and catastrophic failure... how many cell phone explosions have occured? I promise there have been more that a few... wanna blame Verizon for that? Or should we sue Samsung?
And if you think I'll be relegated to an 'approved' cigalike, you are seriously mistaken... the genie is out of the lamp. I can find the parts to build a mech (and RDA) at my local hardware store, and it'll work as good as anything I can currently buy. Not so easy to do with the regulated mods... If the powers that be are so intent on banning and regulating the crap out of an industry, then that is what they will ultimately do... regardless of what we want. Because we have allowed government to take over too much of our lives and decisions. If they do, then some will cow to their will.... the rest of us will go underground and do what we want... if you wanna protest your local B&M and force them to abide by your will, then so be it... me? I'll just sit back and vape from the cheap seats...
I'm just sorry you chose to take me literally, and not figuratively as I intended. You may be perfectly satisfied vaping your mechs behind closed doors in a cigalike only world, but personally I think the industry should not be rushing as fast as possible to that eventuality, even if it is inevitable. Why the industry insists on pouring gas on that fire I'll never understand.
You are personalizing all this. I am not. I am as libertarian as the next guy. I just don't understand the industry mentality. The industry should have some sense of self preservation, which they do not.
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Sorry, not really trying to personalize anything. The nationwide lack of personal accountability is just one of those things that annoys me to no end. I am a self-sufficient individual, and I'm willing to learn the things I need to know to enjoy my own choice of hobbies. I can't wrap my head around the notion that someone wants to be spoon-fed every little detail and I don't believe that it should be necessary or enforced. I'm a 'learn and adapt, or die' kind of guy... as for the industry not having any sense of self-preservation... none of them do, man... just look at GM... if the government hadn't bailed them out, they wouldn't be here today... because they didn't make the necessary changes to improve the brand. They were perfectly content with their abysmal sales...
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