I am beginning to understand what Big Tobacco really fears about vaping.

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BeerGolfClouds

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you missed the part about "4 ohms"


4 ohms at 4 volts = 4 watts
the number to look at is wattmilligrams: 4 watts x 36mg = 144 Wmg

1 ohm at 4 volts = 16 watts
16 watts x 9mg = 144 Wmg

0.5 ohm at 4 volts = 32 watts
32 watts x 4mg = 128 Wmg

Slight miscalculation here, as OP said ".4 ohms".

I'll try the math, let me know if this is correct:

0.4 ohm at 4 volts = 40 watts
40 watts × 36mg = 1440 Wmg

OP, I applaud your iron constitution! Glad you've dropped down though. At this point dripping 6mg makes me dizzy :)
 

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don't forget their partner in crime..our govt. you don't think they'll miss those BILLIONS (that's with a B) tax dollars per year.

I firmly believe that Big tobacco brings you Blu s and other cigalikes to keep people smoking cigarettes.

I agree...OP it seems it's got to worry them a bit..I do know they're gearing up for another type of product in cigarettes when it's all legal, to help the coffers a bit.
 

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heres something to consider.... for those of you who are doing less than 12 mg/ml.... how many ml a day are you vaping? The people down at the shop who are subbing are blasting thru 10 - 30 ml a day of 3-6 nic juice.... Im doing maybe 2-4 ml of 24-36nic juice....

I mostly vape no-nic juice and lately I average about 5 ml a day. Reo Grand with a BF dripper at 0.3 ohms, so that's not a lot of hits.
 

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I started vaping to get away from cigarettes. I had no problem just smoking a pipe. Stopped buying cigarettes, started vaping. Hot and heavy with the new toys...24mg.. coil building and DIY juice...18mg.. stopped smoking a pipe somewhere along the line (still have 50 pounds of pipe tobacco cellared away for the 'tobacco apocalypse (G))... mixing at 14mg...not reading this forum much anymore...not going thru much juice now..I'll hold and fiddle with my PV without vaping...probably would hardly notice if I cut my mix down to zero nic!
 

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I dunno about a "natural progression"... I started with 6mg in an eRoll. Now I use Kayfuns with 10.5mg/8% WTA, and a Magma with 9.5mg/8% WTA.

The only good reason I can find for maybe, eventually, decreasing nicotine, is to get rid of "popsicle paws" in the winter. I had hoped that my cold hands and feet were strictly because of the CO in cigarette smoke, but that doesn't seem to be true; I've struggled with my cold hands and feet all winter, and haven't smoked in nearly 7 months. I've also cut down considerably on caffeine as I wrangled with dehydration, so it's not caffeine either -- it's gotta be the nicotine.

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When I started I vaped 24, and loved it. As my equipment progressed and the ways in which I could recieve the nic grew more effecient I naturally went down to 16, then to twelve. At that point I began crafting my own juice and loved it moving down to 6%.

At 6% I noticed that it was no longer the nic I craved but the throat hit, So I bumped it up to 9% which is my perfect number.

As our equipment progresses we will learn how to create much more effecient methods of absorbing the nic. For me I am fine just vaping for the love of vaping, and if it wasnt for the fact i'm allergic to PG so I have to use my nic content for throat hit, I would be completely down to 6 or even 0.

i no longer vape for the nic, I can honestly say I vape because I enjoy the experience, and all the lovely flavours I can create and even sometimes when i'm in the mood i enjoy it for the vapor clouds i can make. Vaping is fun experience that I enjoy.
 
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Forgive me, as I can't find the stat, but I remember reading somewhere that current estimates figure that in 10 years vapers will out number smokers.

It's funny because I can just imagine BT sitting in a boardroom looking at the first e cigs and saying.... Yea these will never work. How things have progressed in just a few short years.
 

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When I started I vaped 24, and loved it. As my equipment progressed and the ways in which I could recieve the nic grew more effecient I naturally went down to 16, then to twelve. At that point I began crafting my own juice and loved it moving down to 6%.

Probably 6mg not 6%?

I only know a couple of people who vape 60mg (6%), so they are unusual. This is in the old-style gear of course, not RBAs. As has been pointed out, 20ml of 6mg per day is the same amount of nic as 4ml of 30mg per day (assuming the same transfer efficiency).
 

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Probably 6mg not 6%?

I only know a couple of people who vape 60mg (6%), so they are unusual. This is in the old-style gear of course, not RBAs. As has been pointed out, 20ml of 6mg per day is the same amount of nic as 4ml of 30mg per day (assuming the same transfer efficiency).

Yes, I meant 6mg :) not sure why but I grew accustomed to using percentages instead of mg early on, and miss typed.
 

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I went from a pack and a half a day to 6mg juice. I was an angry wreck for a week, and then I was fine. Now I smoke both 0 and 6 throughout the day and I'm pretty content. Have even had the urge to touch a cig. I was snowboarding and my battery died, and my friend was smoking next to me and he offered me a cig and I was like nah... Then I realized a piece of tobacco from when I used to smoke got between my tank and my battery lol.. Blew it out and got to vape. I think bt was tasting me haha
 

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Forgive me, as I can't find the stat, but I remember reading somewhere that current estimates figure that in 10 years vapers will out number smokers.

Bill Godshall figured in 2013 that by 2023 ecig sales (all products and refills) would overtake cigarette sales, and Bonnie Herzog of Wells Fargo says the same thing going by market data. However that all depends on a favourable retail climate, which may not prevail - everyone who depends on revenues ultimately dependent on cigarette sales is doing their best to ban ecigs, globally. A black market cannot support that kind of growth.


It's funny because I can just imagine BT sitting in a boardroom looking at the first e cigs and saying.... Yea these will never work. How things have progressed in just a few short years.

Yes, they certainly did exactly this for several years. Imperial Tobacco were the last of the non-believers, and their board were still saying this up to about 18 months ago; then they must have had a boardroom revolution or something because they went from being ecigs' biggest denialists to big-time players: they even bought up every patent they could find.

It took a long time for BT to wake up, but it doesn't alter anything except much how long it will take them to get decent products in the stores. Every ecig vendor has to make that journey and cigarette companies are no different: their first products are sub-standard. However they hold all the cards: this is a regulated market and the regulators are owned by BT's biggest friends, pharma. The pharmaceutical industry are strong supporters of cigarette sales as smoking generates significant revenues for them (it cannot possibly be any less than 10% of their annual $1 trillion global gross). We know that in the UK, pharma makes more than the cigarette trade does from smoking, and it could easily be double (as in a socialised state, everyone has to be treated medically and treated well, no matter their condition or what caused it); and pharma supplies the highly-profitable drugs.

Pharma owns the regulators and they need smoking. Therefore - no matter what you hear to the contrary - the cigarette trade will be given priority in the ecig market, and they will also be left to decide how big vaping is allowed to get (as they will own both cigarette sales and ecig sales). It would be very optimistic to think BT will either change over to ecigs, or let the small guys run riot in the market. Pharma makes the laws and pharma will not allow either of those scenarios.
 
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