I don't believe e-cigs are safe.........

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I applaud you for noticing that something is irritating to your daughter and doing something about it.


I do think the thread title is somewhat inflammatory and misrepresents what people have said regarding ecigs. Maybe that could be changed. What I find 'safe' could very well kill another person, like peanuts, shellfish etc.

Excellent point. When I read the title, my first reaction was that vaping is dangerous for everyone just like smoking.

My gut feeling is that physical reactions are much more likely to be caused by the flavorings of a particular liquid than anything else.
 
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    I don't let my kids see me vape, I don't want them curious. Thats just how I handle it, the world is tough enough for kids to make good choices about life, ... they don't need to be confused because I picked up a bad habit years ago, and trying to break it now....

    Lol, I've been vaping for a half a year at home and my whole family isn't aware of it. The children have never watched me smoke, but they knew because of the smell...
     

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    I don't let my kids see me vape, I don't want them curious. Thats just how I handle it, the world is tough enough for kids to make good choices about life, ... they don't need to be confused because I picked up a bad habit years ago, and trying to break it now....

    ^^^ This.

    Never smoked in front of 'em either, and as posted, they could smell it. Now when my son sees my pv, I just tell him it's daddy's. End of story (a little harsh, but that's all he needs to know).
     

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    Katie, good for you. You are doing what any good parent would do, protecting your child from risks as you see them.

    What you cannot do though is to assume that vaping is unsafe because of one person's mild reaction to it. Your little one may be allergic to one of the flavours you are using, or the PG or VG. It is a wrong assumption. Billions of people are fine with peanuts but for a small percentage they can mean death. Peanuts are not unsafe, and nothing has been seen yet to prove or disprove that vaping is unsafe. What you have seen is that your child is sensitive to it, that is all.

    All the best,
     

    hairball

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    To the OP, I noticed the samething one day when the sun was coming through my front pic window. I know that vapor falls to the floor faster than smoke. Good call about your munchkin. Since being low to the floor already, he's right down there with all of it. No sense is subjecting him further to any chemicals that aren't necessary.

    I didn't read all of the replies but I suggest maybe unflavored VG with just some nic in it if you feel you need to vape indoors on a crappy weather day.
     

    swedishfish

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    I'd think PG would be better. It's lighter, dissipates faster. People complaining about films on windshields seem to think it's caused by juice with high VG. Inhalers use PG. Some people in the health section blame VG for the heaviness in their lungs. Purely anecdotal but there's just as good of a chance that the VG could be an irritant as the PG. You just have to experiment to see.
     

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    First time poster here...really interesting thread.

    I, like others have said here, never smoked indoors but started vaping indoors as soon as I got my first e-cig (and cleared it with my wife). I just felt funny about it. My wife was always against smoking, but never really nagged me to quit...I got into e-cigs because of a friend at work. When I would sit on the couch near her and vape, I felt somehow guilty. So I quit doing that. It's outside or in the basement now.

    As far as my kid goes (she's 5), I have done my best since she was born to hide my smoking habit from her. A lot of "I had to get something from my car, honey" type of white lies. She is the primary reason I am trying to quit smoking. I hate the guilt of that white lie. So I by all means do not vape around her either. I am sure she sees batteries charging and sees Dad in the "lab" before bed filling cartomizers, but having not seen me using my e-cig, she honestly asks very little about it. I want to keep it that way.

    Kudos to the OP for bringing up a great issue about the effect on kids. It's summer carnival season and the number of irresponsible, gross, shameful parents smoking analogs while pushing a baby stroller has made me just irate to the point of maybe causing a scene one of these days. I think I'd be a hypocrite to vape around my kid.

    Great to be here, btw.
     

    curiousJan

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    I do agree with keeping supplies away from children, especially the juice and DIY nic base. That stuff can be harmfull even to adults. However I don't see any physical harm a single vape can have on a child. Well, other than being horrified by knowing your child actually vaped8-o, and crossing your fingers and hoping no one from social services were peeping through your window at that moment:nun:

    A single vape (or worse a direct leak from the cart -- say from not pushing the button but inhaling anyway) from a 36 or higher nic level could be fatal for a child of the age mentioned.

    I guess I prefer to take the 'better safe than sorry' approach with kids ... which doesn't include not vaping around them. I discussed smoking with my child, because I prefer to be honest (on an age-appropriate level, of course) and not hide things from her. I vape inside, in the vehicle, pretty much where ever I'm comfortable doing so. She's quite happy that I don't smoke any more, and isn't shy about letting me know if my vape-o-the-day smells good or stinks.

    Jan
     

    Uncle Willie

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    Kids know when you smoke cigs .. no matter how well you may try to hide it .. they are not stupid and you can't convince them otherwise after a certain age .. although mine are long grown and gone, and back in the day, no one cared to try and hide the habit ..

    On parents in public smoking away with their kids present, it's like many things in life .. you just have to bite your tongue, whether you like it or not .. we cannot appoint ourselves the morality police .. the list of annoying public behavior can be a long one .. and chances are good, a confrontation won't change things anyway ..
     

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    Part of the problem is that people live in air-sealed rooms now, that was never the case in the past. If you get some sort of air movement going, the problem should be minimised - like in a car. Cars have to have air throughput or the number of collisions would go way up due to people dozing off.

    Try this: go through a tunnel with slow-moving traffic in the rush hour, where there is smoke and bad exhaust fumes. Shut off all the fans and vents and try to stop air coming in. You can't, the smoke still comes in. If it's coming in, it's also going out, so there is throughput. This is why vaping in a car is much less likely to offend even though the space is much smaller than a room - new air is always passing through.

    We are using the stuff from disco fog machines, and the whole point of those is that the vapor stays around and is visible. There might be ways to minimise that but as long as PG or VG are used, and a room is in effect sealed, the vapor hangs around. It might be best to arrange some ventilation while vaping around others. You can only see the vapor in a beam of sunlight or halogen light (try this: at night, turn off all other lights then turn on a halogen beam light - you'll see what I mean), but that doesn't mean it's not there.

    Most vapor is harmless and inoffensive to most people most of the time - but that's not going to be an absolute :)

    I like ventilation but maybe I've spent too much time out on the open ocean. These days people seem to prefer their environment hermetically sealed, they scream in pain if there is even a hint of a draught. Doesn't seem healthy to me :)
     
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    They get more nicotine eating their veggies, than you can inhale at them.
    Seriously, with the dispersion rate of the vapor anfd the amount you take in and hold into your lungs, the nic level is very minimal.
    I get your concerns over vaping around children and respect it, and I'm not making the point for you directly, but it has to be put in it's chemical quantity perspective.
    I rarely vape around children myself, unless stealth.
     

    dwarren

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    I hear ya. I didn't mean to sound like it would kill them or anything. They are healthy and don't have any respiratory or allergy issues, so I don't worry about it too much. There really are massive amounts of way more harmful chemicals that we are all exposed to on a daily basis. But even for the simple fact that I don't want them seeing me having fun fiddling with my Bombshell and being overly curious or influenced. I just can't feel right as a parent letting the kids see the vices or potentially exposing them to anything...
     
    Kids are pretty smart.
    If you are a smoker or a vaper, they'll catch on. I smoked in front of my son for 18 years. He now hates smoke. It didn't encourage him.
    I get that all kids react different, but you won't keep it from them, or you'll teach em to be sneaky.

    The point here , however, is to be sensitive to others who may have allergic reactions, no matter how rare.
    I vape in restaurants, (and in fact a restaurant owner just bought a kit from me tonight), but I don't blow vapor around indiscriminately. If kids are present, I will either stealth vape or not at all.
    Use discretion .
     

    YellowRose2007

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    I am very new to all of this but smoked for TO MANY years... . I always went outside or in the garage to smoke when my boys were growing up because it did effect their ear, nose and throat. We moved to Tennessee and my husband started having really bad sneezing fits, eyes red and itchy. He had an allergy test done. Now it was easier for the doctors to tell him what he wasn't allergic to then what he was. Which was mold and cockroaches. I still smoked outside but in 2009 I became very ill and had surgery in the winter at which time I started to smoke inside. "Bad Move" but he seemed fine as long as he keep up with his shots. Easter weekend of this year is when I bought the PVD kit and stopped smoking Mothers Day. I was however vapping mad in the house. it smelt so good in the house, car, everywhere!! I was having a lot of issues with the withdraw and just felt like I was not getting the full advantage of an e-cig so I went out an bought a pack of ciggs smoked a few on the way home and I'll be if my husband didn't start sneezing as soon as I walked in! So I believe it has to be better, safer, and so much more enjoyable then a
     
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