I Give Up On E-Cigs For Now

[Saundhaus]

First off if you liked to smoke the juice you choose makes all the difference. I love the Halo juices, but it kind of makes me want to vape all the time. I switched for a bit to some juices that use naturally extracted tobacco flavoring and that gave me all the feel of a cigarette without the tar.

As for smoke machines, the "fog juice" is high in PG. I know I used to be in a band and worked with lots of bands and everyone was asking whether or not the fog machines were safe. They're essentially huge vaporizers.

Eric

 

[SleeZy]

If you're vaping 0 mg of nic. PG/VG will not toxify your body, they're both food additives. One full week of McDonalds can make your blood test look extremely crappy, I wouldn't worry at all on how toxic PG/VG would be to us..it's in a lot of food, just in vapor form. Especially if you know for sure the e-liquid is completely made in the USA (sanitary reasons)

Just because it's not made in US it doesn't mean it's bad. Look at GermanFlavours for example (One of my favorite brands). They even provides the whole ingredient list on their homepage and they're made in a labb and all that. ;-)

 

[Ken_A]

Most 1st world countries have good quality PG and VG. They also make good wholesome flavorings.
No matter where you get your stuff, just make sure it is good and you should have no problems.

 

[SleeZy]

Only juice i would doubt is those super cheap ones at FT. They might taste good but they're so damn cheap so it can't be quality products in it... Well it could but personaly i don't think so.

 

[Wicked & Coiled]

A well thought out response Thank You.

I am hoping that my issue has to do with #2. Once I get over this I will try the 0 nic juice. If I like it and have no side effects then maybe I should cut a 6mg with a 0mg for 3mg right ? Or obviously just leave it at 0mgs if it works. I know I like nicotine so some lower combination should work for me.

The next step would be to try a 100% VG juice.

After that I'd just consider myself done if nothing worked.

I am a total noob with this stuff but the iTaste 134 Mini was just too cool to pass up. It comes with a iClear x1 pyrex clearomizer but I also purchased the Aspire Nautilus which I have not gotten to use yet. You can set the ohm starting at 7.0 until I think 12. I have no idea what it means I still need to research.

Otherwise the machine is a work of art and I want to use it for something.

The 134 mini is a beaut. The only problem with the 134 original is that it was too damn bulky. Innokin clearly realized that and made the Mini.

I see where u went wrong. What you mean is Watts.

An Ohm is a measurement of a load's resistance, which in our case is our atomizer coil.

Wattage is a measurement of the heating power which is transmitting to your coils. It is a byproduct of a given Voltage crossing with a given load resistance.

I wouldn't get too worried about that stuff just yet. All that matters is that you have a good Wattage setting for each different juice and atomizer that gives you satisfaction. Set the wattage a little bit higher, and you might get more vapor, more flavor, or more throat hit. Set the wattage lower, and the opposite occurs. You just want to get your wattage right to that point where is giving you nice flavor, and a nice vape, but not burning your juice. For most people with standard resistance atomizers (1.5-3.0 Ohm), it's somewhere between 7.5 and 9.5 Watts, depending on your setup, ymmv.

Just to be clear, it is VG: Vegetable Gycerin, which provides the overwhelming majority of vapor. Someone earlier is confusing PG & VG. VG is what is used in most fog machines.

PG is a more volatile substance, which still has food and health care applications, and is generally considered safe. However, as I said before, some people do have a negative reaction to it.

Lastly, you are correct; If you take 20 milliliters of a 6mg/mL nicotine juice, and mix it with 20 milliliters of either 0 nicotine juice, or just straight vegetable glycerin, the resulting mix will be a 3 milligram per milliliter (mg/mL) Nicotine concentration.

Hope all this gets sorted out for ya!

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[DC2]

VG is what provides the majority of the vapor in ECigs, and is easily their safest ingredient.

What basis do you have for saying that VG is safer than PG?

 

[DC2]

A 12mg juice COULD be a problem for some folks if they knock out 7-10 deep toots in 10-15 minutes, or thereabouts. That could blow through a mL of juice (dependent on device & atty), and pass the full 12mg to the vaper in that 15 min period.

One ml of juice is at least 35 deep, long drags by my calculations.

That is going by the idea that one ml is 20 drops.
And that is also going by the idea that 3 drops is about 5 deep drags.

Both of those estimates are probably on the low side, if anything.

 

[Caridwen]

What basis do you have for saying that VG is safer than PG?

Because it has vegetable in the name.

 

[Wicked & Coiled]

What basis do you have for saying that VG is safer than PG?

Other than the tissue in my throat?

My gut.

This isn't a research paper, I didn't know we needed to source our opinions. I'm sure time will prove that statement correct.

According to a 2010 study by Karlstad University, the concentrations of PGEs (counted as the sum of propylene glycol and glycol ethers) in indoor air, particularly bedroom air, has been linked to increased risk of developing numerous respiratory and immune disorders in children, including asthma, hay fever, eczema, and allergies, with increased risk ranging from 50% to 180%. This concentration has been linked to use of water-based paints and water-based system cleansers.

Common Household Chemicals and the Allergy Risks in Pre-School Age Children

As a parent of a 3 yr-old, that's enough to concern me atm.

 

[DC2]

Other than the tissue in my throat?

My gut.

This isn't a research paper, I didn't know we needed to source our opinions. I'm sure time will prove that statement correct.

Stating opinions as if they are fact is how misinformation gets spread.

That is why there are so many people that think silica wick can burn.
That is why there are so many people that think all we exhale is water vapor.

And that is why there are so many people in this world that think vaping is bad for you.

 

[Wicked & Coiled]

Stating opinions as if they are fact is how misinformation gets spread.

That is why there are so many people that think silica wick can burn.
That is why there are so many people that think all we exhale is water vapor.

And that is why there are so many people in this world that think vaping is bad for you.

Common Household Chemicals and the Allergy Risks in Pre-School Age Children

Vaping isn't "good for you", friend.

It's great as a harm reduction measure opposed to tobacco, but definitely not a completely safe course of action.

Show me a study where a medical professional concludes vaping possesses no inherent health risks.

 

[DC2]

Common Household Chemicals and the Allergy Risks in Pre-School Age Children

I've never seen that, and it is interesting.

Maybe you should have replied with that the first time when I asked for the basis of your comment.
That seems like a more appropriate response than the one you offered initially.

 

[DC2]

Common Household Chemicals and the Allergy Risks in Pre-School Age Children

So basically vaporized PG might lead to an increase in allergy symptoms in children?
That's pretty important information which might we worthy of it's own thread.

 

[DC2]

Show me a study where a medical professional concludes vaping possesses no inherent health risks.

It's impossible to prove a negative.

 

[Wicked & Coiled]

It's impossible to prove a negative.

Um...It would be a conclusion of a study that vaping actually improves a healthy individuals health even further. In identical nature to the type of study which are done with vitamins and supplements.

The most recent study came out of Drexel University, right here in Philadelphia, several weeks ago. It was performed by Dr. Igor Burstyn. His conclusions were great for vapers, and thus bad for vaping opponents.

However he could only say that the health risks electronic cigarettes pose is minimal.

Dont want to derail thread....

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[CNYC]

I've been taking a few toots of 0mg Halo juice since last night. Same thing...I feel buzzed disoriented and dizzy. The only thing different is I don't have the nicotine to add to it.

It must be the PG then.

Can someone lead me to a website that sells all (tobacco flavored) VG juices ? I'd like one that makes everything in the USA and not just some of it.

Thanks. The 100% VG will be the last attempt before I give the vaping thing a break.

I hope this works.

 

[Wicked & Coiled]

I've been taking a few toots of 0mg Halo juice since last night. Same thing...I feel buzzed disoriented and dizzy. The only thing different is I don't have the nicotine to add to it.

It must be the PG then.

Can someone lead me to a website that sells all (tobacco flavored) VG juices ? I'd like one that makes everything in the USA and not just some of it.

Thanks. The 100% VG will be the last attempt before I give the vaping thing a break.

I hope this works.

Have you ever tried a "Blu" brand e-cig?

Check out the site for Johnson Creek Smoke Juice. They make the flavors for Blu, (which they don't sell to the public) but they also have a ton of other good tobacco juices. There are some reviews of their stuff in Spinfuel eMagazine for more flavor details.

I would say the most popular tobacco juice I know of is "Boba's Bounty" from Alien Vapor. Gets a lot of praise, though I've never tried. My local B&M makes a great tobacco that I stick with except for JC's "Silverthorn", or something else here or there.

 

[CNYC]

Have you ever tried a "Blu" brand e-cig?

Check out the site for Johnson Creek Smoke Juice. They make the flavors for Blu, (which they don't sell to the public) but they also have a ton of other good tobacco juices. There are some reviews of their stuff in Spinfuel eMagazine for more flavor details.

I would say the most popular tobacco juice I know of is "Boba's Bounty" from Alien Vapor. Gets a lot of praise, though I've never tried. My local B&M makes a great tobacco that I stick with except for JC's "Silverthorn", or something else here or there.

Domestic 100% VG looks nice from Johnsons Creek. When I went to choose the nic level I was confused. They ask you the percentage level 1.1 % and so on. What should I choose from something between 4 and 6mg nic ?

If the VG is too thick would adding water be ok to thin it out ? I read that VG juice can ruin your atty or coils.

Thanks

 

[Wicked & Coiled]

Domestic 100% VG looks nice from Johnsons Creek. When I went to choose the nic level I was confused. They ask you the percentage level 1.1 % and so on. What should I choose from something between 4 and 6mg nic ?

If the VG is too thick would adding water be ok to thin it out ? I read that VG juice can ruin your atty or coils.

Thanks

1.1% would be 11mg/mL. I order 1.8%, which is 18mg/mL. Some vendors express the Nic level as a percentage. Move the decimal, and you've got the mg/mL.

You COULD add DISTILLED water to thin it, be aware it drops the Nic level slightly. You'd get more mileage out of using Pure Grain Alcohol (PGA) aka: "Everclear". Buy the smallest bottle you can find, and add it one/two drop(s) at a time, and shake, until you get a consistency you're looking for. I wouldn't add more than 2-3% PGA, though. It adds throat-hit and can get a bit rough in even slightly larger amounts.

Keep in mind PGA works fast too.

Max VG can gunk coils, but so will all juice. The Max VG just does it a bit faster.

 

[Burn_notice_fan_NY]

CNYC, did you just purchase the juice from Halo online, or did you get it at a store? I would highly recommend trying a B&M shop to find a flavor that you can enjoy without the side effects you experience. There is a wonderful website that helps you to locate vape shops within the area: New York E-Cigarette Vendors. I took the liberty to look around and see that VapeNY is based in New York, NY and appears to have regular meet ups. They are look promising. Also, there's another location in Brooklyn called MoVapes that I found through the website (open until 8 I believe) that has higher quality juice (suicide Bunny, Virgin Vapor, deMang and CleverVapes to name a few). If they have a sampling bar at this one, I know I'd be in heaven. Hope this helps some!